Bitmain Release new 7NM Chip and Antminer S17 & T17 - page 3.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on February 18, 2019, 09:40:50 PM

The idea of ordering in two months and getting it in four months has me thinking I can not upgrade to m10s.

But the freaking trump tax is a mofo.

I am not in the U.S so tax is not a problem at all, however i was planning to grab some S9s but after seeing this i really need to do more calculations, once these s17 hit the market, price for everything else will likely drop, i will probably be able to get used S9 for like 100$ instead of 140-160$ from China if not less.

but again the price for the S17 will be key , also should the bull run kick in a bit early "unlikely" every miner on plant will rise in price, so it's really a though decision that requires a good sleep and a cup of coffee.

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My s15 does 27th at 1555 watts using a regulated 220 volt transformer.

So same psu pulling 1555 watts say 36 a th = damn!

The idea of ordering in two months and getting it in four months has me thinking I can not upgrade to m10s.

But the freaking trump tax is a mofo.

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Quote from: gt_addict on February 18, 2019, 04:03:11 PM

With those kind of numbers could it mean a return for the home miner? I for one would love to have at least one machine with a decent profit margin and....dare I say it.....Low noise level Grin

They'll keep the same wattage so expect the same fan noise to dissipate heat, just higher hashrate for the wattage used.

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The first announcement about chip BM1391 was made public on 21st Sep 2018 , with capacity being "as low as 42J/T"

source from here: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-announces-next-generation-7nm-asic-chip/

less than 2 months later on November 8, the sale of the S15 started.

do we expect the S17 to come out somewhere around early April ?

edit:

if the BM1391 was announced to have 42J/T but the actual was 50J/TH this puts it at a loss factor of 1.19 when running in a normal environment, this means the BM1397 should be able to do 35.7J/TH

so is it possible that S17 will do 44TH at 1600W ? that would be massive !

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What did they announce the 7nm first chip to be IIRC 37 per th.

Or is that a bad fact?

if it is 30 watts a th and was 37 watts a th it is only 19%

or was it 42 watts a th for the first 7nm they announced?

anyone have a link or screen shot?

also when did they announce first chip?

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Quote from: kingcolex on February 18, 2019, 04:08:10 PM

They'll keep the same wattage so expect the same fan noise to dissipate heat, just higher hashrate for the wattage used.

Good point. With the new built in psu with "hardwired" power connections its not like I can take a couple of hashboards out and just run one to keep the noise down Roll Eyes

Oh well I can only dream lol

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With those kind of numbers could it mean a return for the home miner? I for one would love to have at least one machine with a decent profit margin and....dare I say it.....Low noise level Grin

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Quote from: Artemis3 on February 18, 2019, 03:03:26 PM

SO the S11, S15, T15, S17 and T17 are all 7nm? Why bother with so many models?

nm isn't everything, just look at Intel they've been on 14nm for ages.

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Quote from: Artemis3 on February 18, 2019, 03:03:26 PM

SO the S11, S15, T15, S17 and T17 are all 7nm? Why bother with so many models?

Ok NVM, i see the chip model number have increased as well. I wonder what will the pricing be, and when will MicroBT respond...

I believe the S11 is running BM's most advanced 16nm chip. Wasn't mentioned in the initial announcement of their first 7nm miners and the efficiency numbers don't line up to be running their 7nm chip.

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SO the S11, S15, T15, S17 and T17 are all 7nm? Why bother with so many models?

Ok NVM, i see the chip model number have increased as well. I wonder what will the pricing be, and when will MicroBT respond...

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Over 28% efficiency increase in one generation? That's pretty wild, I wonder how much they can continue to squeeze out of 7nm in the future.

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We are not retail.

Might be an abundance of speculation here but the announcement is reality, the chip exists. I would expect for consumers this will be available by Q4'19 pretty safely. I'm more interested in how other manufacturers react. Since Canaan was mentioned I'm surprised we haven't seen more from them.

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on February 18, 2019, 12:49:27 PM

Drink less hatorade and do a bit of research and you will find that bitmains quality and reliability are on par (if not better) with anyone else on the market other than Canaan. Since Canaan usually prices themselves out of the market, bitmain still provides the most efficient gear and the best prices.

Well it's my humble opinion and from my personal experience.

I would say my hosting facility would also agreed on that.

EDIt: it's also fine that we don't agree on my opinion

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Quote from: HerbPean on February 18, 2019, 12:04:10 PM

The real question is how shitty they will be.

Their gear is now a shame in term of durability.

Drink less hatorade and do a bit of research and you will find that bitmains quality and reliability are on par (if not better) with anyone else on the market other than Canaan. Since Canaan usually prices themselves out of the market, bitmain still provides the most efficient gear and the best prices.

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Might add that until these show up in the wild - this belongs in Speculation.

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Yeah... "now" it is...

Since the S5, S7 and S9 were all impressively reliable.

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The real question is how shitty they will be.

Their gear is now a shame in term of durability.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on February 18, 2019, 11:07:58 AM

Can't say I saw that big of a leal in improvement coming so early, that's huge.

I wonder how far out these are from production. If they aren't planning on changing their overall design, it's easy enough to announce their product launch after the first test chips. Anyone think we'll see these selling in September with a November delivery?

No :

The key is if trump tax gets lifted trump is meeting with china leader very soon so an announcement that the tax is lifted may happen.

If I need 10 megawatts of gear and I am USA located this announcement makes me wait.
As it clearly means that I would want this over the m10 or the S15 if the trump tax is lifted.

So I think this announcement was made early.

I also think the trump tax lifts bitmain drops the s15 to 950 and with no trump tax it sells better then the m10. that mean no need to speed up the s17

So the s17 should arrive in Jan or Feb next year at best.

As a USA guy this announcement may stop me buying any more m10's and sitting on my Clifton build out as it is now.

20 s9i's
7 m10's
1 a921
2 a721
1 innosilcon t2turbo
4 s7 ln
1 s15
total of 550th I had planned to do more m10's and retired the older gear.

I now need to keep trump tax on radar and s17 on radar and s15 price drops 3 factors.

I also know 30 watts a th is not what this means.

the older 7nm is 37 and at the wall gets 50 on low speed 58 on high speed

do if 30/37 = 81% then 40 watts on low speed and 46 on high speed is more like it.

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Can't say I saw that big of a leap in improvement coming so early, that's huge.

I wonder how far out these are from production. If they aren't planning on changing their overall design, it's easy enough to announce their product launch after the first test chips. Anyone think we'll see these selling in September with a November delivery?

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Wow,
those are some efficienct numbers if they are able to do it for the final product

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