The L3 appears to have only appeared on their chinese web shop, and sold out VERY quickly.
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Looks like they will be having upgraded model of L3 soon. 2xL3 basically 4 hashboards, but at bit lower price than 2 units.
I must say I never had seen the L3 in the online shop...I never used myself so I cannot say anything personally but that is just why people buy it and its always out of stock. It would be wack to find one and purchase it but it gets sold in bulk to some high buyers I assume.
It`s not out of stock, it simply not on there website/shop
Looks like they will be having upgraded model of L3 soon. 2xL3 basically 4 hashboards, but at bit lower price than 2 units.
I must say I never had seen the L3 in the online shop...I never used myself so I cannot say anything personally but that is just why people buy it and its always out of stock. It would be wack to find one and purchase it but it gets sold in bulk to some high buyers I assume.
Looks like they will be having upgraded model of L3 soon. 2xL3 basically 4 hashboards, but at bit lower price than 2 units.
I must say I never had seen the L3 in the online shop... 
Looks like they will be having upgraded model of L3 soon. 2xL3 basically 4 hashboards, but at bit lower price than 2 units.
L3 is a Scrypt miner, doesnt have anything to do with the SHA256 miners.
Looks like they will be having upgraded model of L3 soon. 2xL3 basically 4 hashboards, but at bit lower price than 2 units.
I thought I read something about carbon.
In any event an electron has a fixed width so shrinkage is going to hit a wall sooner or later.
I think it is 1 meter to -18 power big side and 1meter to - 22 small size.
Some say it is a point and has no width but then it has energy problems if it has no width .
I am reading that they will make blended/mixed semiconductors (silicon+germanium or indium) for next-next gen.
Re electron size, there is a classical size of 2.82x10-15m and more recent view that it behaves like a point with no spatial dimension.
Not sure what it means in practice.
I found a few reads on it. the point concept fails to meet our current laws of energy. but on a practical side
we will end shrinking of chips with the 7nm size.
7nm is 7.0 x 10 -9m quite a bit bigger then 2.82 x 10 -15m but not too big for the traces on the chip.
maybe after that we use a new idea yet to be invented.
I thought I read something about carbon.
In any event an electron has a fixed width so shrinkage is going to hit a wall sooner or later.
I think it is 1 meter to -18 power big side and 1meter to - 22 small size.
Some say it is a point and has no width but then it has energy problems if it has no width .
I am reading that they will make blended/mixed semiconductors (silicon+germanium or indium) for next-next gen.
Re electron size, there is a classical size of 2.82x10-15m and more recent view that it behaves like a point with no spatial dimension.
Not sure what it means in practice.
If I amn't wrong, with antminer s9 and free electricity, nowdays ROI is 140% which is pretty good nowdays. Also if we look their movements, to my mind antminer s10 maybe will be in one year or maybe longer. Antminer s9 is still new on market and hashnest only 1-2 month ago announced new pacmic contract and s9 on hashnest cloud mining.
If Bitfury and hashnest will unite, we will see great miner.
If Bitfury and hashnest will unite, we will see great miner.
well there is no free electricity but chinese pay very little, what is not said is that they are currently mining the same as before by consuming at least 5 times more, this because they must stay in competition
doesn't look at the calculator, i made a math about this, and currently it's like a s9 is consuming 7kwh(actually you have five of them that net you the same as one, but the precept is the same) and not 1.4, therefore they are consuming something like $250 a month for a single unit s9
this s9 can only produce $300 per month, the difference is very restricted as you see
maybe this is not clear, an example...
if there are two farm that with 100 s9 each, can mine all the 1800 coins per day(900 each one), and you add other 100 because the other farm is adding his 100 s9 to have more hash than you and steal your coin you are not making more than 900 coins per day....
you will end with this situation, two farm that have 200 s9 but are still making 1800 coins(900 each), the bad thing is that the consumptino is now 2x before, see where this is going? this is the reason why KNC got bankrupt...
14 nm and 16 nm from a PERFORMANCE standpoint are essentially identical - and are the current semiconductor state-of-the-art.
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Yeah your points are good.
7 nm will use material other them silicon maybe carbon.
Carbon isn't a semiconductor, so it's not an option.
Germanium is possible - IBM did state at some point that their 10nm process would be using a germanium/silicon hybrid wafer, and germanium was widely used for a long time but doesn't handle high power as well as silicon so started losing out.
In any event, Moore's Law is in trouble - the next couple generations might see it finally come to an end and process advancements slow down a LOT as quantum effects have made it increasingly difficult to reduce feature size over the last 10-15 years....
I thought I read something about carbon.
In any event an electron has a fixed width so shrinkage is going to hit a wall sooner or later.
I think it is 1 meter to -18 power big side and 1meter to - 22 small size.
Some say it is a point and has no width but then it has energy problems if it has no width .
14 nm and 16 nm from a PERFORMANCE standpoint are essentially identical - and are the current semiconductor state-of-the-art.
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Yeah your points are good.
7 nm will use material other them silicon maybe carbon.
Carbon isn't a semiconductor, so it's not an option.
Germanium is possible - IBM did state at some point that their 10nm process would be using a germanium/silicon hybrid wafer, and germanium was widely used for a long time but doesn't handle high power as well as silicon so started losing out.
In any event, Moore's Law is in trouble - the next couple generations might see it finally come to an end and process advancements slow down a LOT as quantum effects have made it increasingly difficult to reduce feature size over the last 10-15 years....
If Bitfury and hashnest will unite, we will see great miner.
Considering bitmain owns hashnest im gonna say the chance of a collaboration with bitmain is right about 0%
If I amn't wrong, with antminer s9 and free electricity, nowdays ROI is 140% which is pretty good nowdays. Also if we look their movements, to my mind antminer s10 maybe will be in one year or maybe longer. Antminer s9 is still new on market and hashnest only 1-2 month ago announced new pacmic contract and s9 on hashnest cloud mining.
If Bitfury and hashnest will unite, we will see great miner.
If Bitfury and hashnest will unite, we will see great miner.
14 nm and 16 nm from a PERFORMANCE standpoint are essentially identical - and are the current semiconductor state-of-the-art.
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Yeah your points are good.
7 nm will use material other them silicon maybe carbon.
The s9 will have a long cycle .
And as I type the s7 turns a huge profit for bitmain. On hashnest For them to build and hide the s10 or s11 makes economical sense next year not this year.
I don't think we see any updates for a long time.
The S9 will be here for long. It is very profitable even when the difficulty is very high.
14 nm and 16 nm from a PERFORMANCE standpoint are essentially identical - and are the current semiconductor state-of-the-art.
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Yeah your points are good.
7 nm will use material other them silicon maybe carbon.
The s9 will have a long cycle .
And as I type the s7 turns a huge profit for bitmain. On hashnest For them to build and hide the s10 or s11 makes economical sense next year not this year.
I don't think we see any updates for a long time.
14 nm and 16 nm from a PERFORMANCE standpoint are essentially identical - and are the current semiconductor state-of-the-art.
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
Bitmain CAN'T release a miner that is significantly more efficient than the S9 - they're having enough issues making the S9 work reliably at the MIDrange of the chip's design specs.
When the next node (be it 10nm or 7nm) finally hits production will be the SOONEST Bitmain (or anyone else) will be able to come up with a significantly more efficient miner - and current indications are "2019 or 2020" for that timeframe, even *IF* the new node has design tools available to small designers well before the timeframe of actual production arrives.
The days of a miner only having 6-10 months as the "most efficient" are OVER - there is no more "catch up TO the general semiconductor state of the art" left.
At this point we're probably looking at 3-5 YEAR generation cycles - possibly LONGER as all of the major chipmakers have stated that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon".
16nm and 14nm doesn''t matter they are basically same. It's just marketing by TSMC, GloFo. After 65nm only parts of transistor are shrunk not all. So basically 14nm is only one part of transistors while others are significanlty larger. Thats the reason why Intel 14m is better than other foundries 10nm will be.
I would better hope for another player (canaan??) launching a good alternative. That would be ideal for miners IMHO.
They did but its way less efficient. Ebit launched a miner that is also less efficient. To think any of these companies is gonna pull a more efficient miner out of their ass is a pipe dream
ebit will optimize his processor..
remeber who Ebit use 14nm Asic.
bitmain is using 16nm Asic
I would better hope for another player (canaan??) launching a good alternative. That would be ideal for miners IMHO.
They did but its way less efficient. Ebit launched a miner that is also less efficient. To think any of these companies is gonna pull a more efficient miner out of their ass is a pipe dream
Another approach, bitmain will release a better product when they feel the risk of concurrence getting closer.
My understanding is that they currently have the most efficient device in the market so I see little justification for them to launch another model.
I would better hope for another player (canaan??) launching a good alternative. That would be ideal for miners IMHO.
My understanding is that they currently have the most efficient device in the market so I see little justification for them to launch another model.
I would better hope for another player (canaan??) launching a good alternative. That would be ideal for miners IMHO.
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