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geofflosophy

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Quote from: drawingthesun on August 27, 2013, 05:38:47 AM

So the addresses are public like Bitcoin addresses that have spent coins are public?

Doesn't sound like a issue with the Bitmessage network.

However about the scaling issue, is that going to be modified or not? Any chance Bitmessage could scale to a billion messages a day?

I'm just guessing here, but I would think that the network should scale better with usage. Flooding the network with messages without increasing the number of users running the client might not be best stress test of scalability. The two things from this that are of concern RE: scalability though are SPAM potential of public addresses and intentional flooding of the network to slow it down (kind of like a BM DDoS attack). SPAM is a very hard problem to solve in the email world, and anti-spam is literally a billion dollar industry. I don't think the equivalent could develop for BM without compromising security.

All of that said, it seems like a simple solution could solve all of these problems: require a hashing PoW function as part of a message send. The original Hashcash algorithm that the bitcoin hashing algorithm was based on was designed for this purpose. Maybe this is how BM works already? Doubt it though, I'd think it would have been a lot harder for him to send all of those messages out if it was.

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Quote from: geofflosophy on August 26, 2013, 08:48:59 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on August 26, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

This address: BM-2DAxNoKvxLrSxRM9M19W1tu9mnAuwWrXMx was logged 21 times with various IP because the message was posted on the Internet. Right here: http://www.chronicles.no/2013/08/bitmessage-crackdown.html if my memory is right.

Ah very good point. So that address is about as public as it gets, huh? I guess there's nothing wrong with that really, plenty of people post their bitmessage addresses on the web, the contents of messages still can't be read. If anyone wants to talk dirty to me, you know where to send...

I mean the content of the message was posted online:

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A message written to trick users into clicking on the link.

And every address on Bitmessage did receive a unique URL, like:
http://secupost.net/3240982275/bitmessage-security
http://secupost.net/760979548/bitmessage-security
http://secupost.net/4224282573/bitmessage-security
http://secupost.net/4278472862/bitmessage-security
http://secupost.net/1189531455/bitmessage-security

I'm guilty for clicking on one of them. This is why my IP address is there even if I never used BM. Hope that the party van is not on the way Cry

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So the addresses are public like Bitcoin addresses that have spent coins are public?

Doesn't sound like a issue with the Bitmessage network.

However about the scaling issue, is that going to be modified or not? Any chance Bitmessage could scale to a billion messages a day?

geofflosophy

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on August 26, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

This address: BM-2DAxNoKvxLrSxRM9M19W1tu9mnAuwWrXMx was logged 21 times with various IP because the message was posted on the Internet. Right here: http://www.chronicles.no/2013/08/bitmessage-crackdown.html if my memory is right.

Ah very good point. So that address is about as public as it gets, huh? I guess there's nothing wrong with that really, plenty of people post their bitmessage addresses on the web, the contents of messages still can't be read. If anyone wants to talk dirty to me, you know where to send...

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This address: BM-2DAxNoKvxLrSxRM9M19W1tu9mnAuwWrXMx was logged 21 times with various IP because the message was posted on the Internet. Right here: http://www.chronicles.no/2013/08/bitmessage-crackdown.html if my memory is right.

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Quote from: niko on August 26, 2013, 11:14:13 AM

http://pastebin.com/vH9z5pNm

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This message is also available at http://secupost.net

Alright, the messages sent out a few days ago are starting to expire now. It's time for everyone to learn what the purpose of secupost.net is.

As many of you guessed, this is indeed a Bitmessage address to IP address mapper. Yes, the only thing that webserver would send was a 500 message.

It did alright too, gathering nearly 500 bitmessage users information after sending 15000 messages. Double what I expected.

I've included both a log of each address detected and the first thing to hit it including IP, reverse DNS and useragent as well as raw logs for every valid request. If you need to confirm this signature so you can verify messages from me when bitmessage is down, please see the bitmessage general chan for a copy from my bitmessage address.

So, future lessons:
- - - Yes, all bitmessage addresses are public and can be read from your messages.dat file using a small script.
- - - Don't click links. Even if it looks like a security-related site and uses some technical terms. I am not a nice person, I will publish any information I can gather about you and I don't care if you get lit on fire by terrorists because of it.
- - - Bitmessage does _not_ scale. It took me around 3.5 hours to send ~15k messages but it took the bitmessage network over 18 hours to fully propogate them.

Some of you were smart enough to use tor or VPN providers, but many of these are direct home or server IPs. The information below is more than enough for any government to come after you or any script kiddie to DDoS you. Be more careful next time.

Some of you tried to use scripts to claim addresses which weren't yours and skew the data, of course, you didn't even change your user-agent.

Even without accouting for that your attacks were ineffective because the IDs were generated in a non-linear fashion using a cropped HMAC-SHA256. To find your id:

def gen_mac(addr):
mac = hmac.new("fuck you", addr, hashlib.sha256).digest()
return unpack('>I', mac[0:4])[0]

This simple deterministic method means that you would have had to try... (2^32/15000)/2 = 143165 times on average just to get a single collision. Thanks for playing, but no luck this time.

This service has been operated completely anonymously thanks to Tor and Bitcoin. I hope you enjoy the result.

Robert White (BM-2D8yr4fzoMzwndqPwLMVyzUcdfK9LWZXjY)

BM-2DA3TCHz21eZ7ptJYV4y1ZjgWbM67DuwuW 172.249.2.119 cpe-172-249-2-119.socal.res.rr.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D7wBdwEUB4WxyxtRnofy7xh3hswdeTbs6 212.227.66.33 et-0-nat-1.gw-nat-a.spb.muc.de.oneandone.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D8EWs8RgMcDevKoBQTABeiVQHrfofNUTk 81.27.53.57 81-27-53-57.domolink.elcom.ru. "Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.16"
BM-GtojGUv6ibnhc45TdT8yri3q1wgaUQMY 141.105.4.147 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-GtWLbsErzqpJ12hcimbNkdmSjx4uPBLi 183.93.115.208 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D9zAMrTt9SatQmsnpwHKwgwYQWTftDouT 75.42.21.21 75-42-21-21.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D92wxSMTiydW5i2v2LsuCGEU4RvyFx5xv 76.26.149.161 c-76-26-149-161.hsd1.dc.comcast.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-Gu9E1bH1AbquayZbM56jZ3oxQTBJNNh5 95.211.169.45 hosted-by.leaseweb.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2DAWJ3LkFLyPhQW9MZ9wPSNyAtvUsBzWnG 86.140.205.124 host86-140-205-124.range86-140.btcentralplus.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/28.0.1500.71 Chrome/28.0.1500.71 Safari/537.36"
BM-GuJXmEFP5svk656Qcb2BhMxX7qxoXzDM 67.42.161.132 67-42-161-132.bois.qwest.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-GuBfb4KrhEUGF2MfdrqkAuTNeUBXa4ke 79.141.166.32 "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; InfoPath.1)"
BM-Gty5A4E2yeuWM2FkgnJGgagJ8aYXCz1F 216.105.250.50 "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/28.0.1500.95 Safari/537.36"
BM-2DBZScRMbpNB5xYsWwFsCTS1sm8CaKiq9L 216.18.239.210 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"

etc. etc.

I can confirm that one of my BM addresses is on this list, but my VPN successfully protected my IP address. Will still consider that address publicly linked to this forum account though, as it doesn't look like there are too many other VPNs on there.

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Wow
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http://pastebin.com/vH9z5pNm

Quote

This message is also available at http://secupost.net

Alright, the messages sent out a few days ago are starting to expire now. It's time for everyone to learn what the purpose of secupost.net is.

As many of you guessed, this is indeed a Bitmessage address to IP address mapper. Yes, the only thing that webserver would send was a 500 message.

It did alright too, gathering nearly 500 bitmessage users information after sending 15000 messages. Double what I expected.

I've included both a log of each address detected and the first thing to hit it including IP, reverse DNS and useragent as well as raw logs for every valid request. If you need to confirm this signature so you can verify messages from me when bitmessage is down, please see the bitmessage general chan for a copy from my bitmessage address.

So, future lessons:
- - - Yes, all bitmessage addresses are public and can be read from your messages.dat file using a small script.
- - - Don't click links. Even if it looks like a security-related site and uses some technical terms. I am not a nice person, I will publish any information I can gather about you and I don't care if you get lit on fire by terrorists because of it.
- - - Bitmessage does _not_ scale. It took me around 3.5 hours to send ~15k messages but it took the bitmessage network over 18 hours to fully propogate them.

Some of you were smart enough to use tor or VPN providers, but many of these are direct home or server IPs. The information below is more than enough for any government to come after you or any script kiddie to DDoS you. Be more careful next time.

Some of you tried to use scripts to claim addresses which weren't yours and skew the data, of course, you didn't even change your user-agent.

Even without accouting for that your attacks were ineffective because the IDs were generated in a non-linear fashion using a cropped HMAC-SHA256. To find your id:

def gen_mac(addr):
mac = hmac.new("fuck you", addr, hashlib.sha256).digest()
return unpack('>I', mac[0:4])[0]

This simple deterministic method means that you would have had to try... (2^32/15000)/2 = 143165 times on average just to get a single collision. Thanks for playing, but no luck this time.

This service has been operated completely anonymously thanks to Tor and Bitcoin. I hope you enjoy the result.

Robert White (BM-2D8yr4fzoMzwndqPwLMVyzUcdfK9LWZXjY)

BM-2DA3TCHz21eZ7ptJYV4y1ZjgWbM67DuwuW 172.249.2.119 cpe-172-249-2-119.socal.res.rr.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D7wBdwEUB4WxyxtRnofy7xh3hswdeTbs6 212.227.66.33 et-0-nat-1.gw-nat-a.spb.muc.de.oneandone.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D8EWs8RgMcDevKoBQTABeiVQHrfofNUTk 81.27.53.57 81-27-53-57.domolink.elcom.ru. "Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.16"
BM-GtojGUv6ibnhc45TdT8yri3q1wgaUQMY 141.105.4.147 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-GtWLbsErzqpJ12hcimbNkdmSjx4uPBLi 183.93.115.208 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D9zAMrTt9SatQmsnpwHKwgwYQWTftDouT 75.42.21.21 75-42-21-21.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2D92wxSMTiydW5i2v2LsuCGEU4RvyFx5xv 76.26.149.161 c-76-26-149-161.hsd1.dc.comcast.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-Gu9E1bH1AbquayZbM56jZ3oxQTBJNNh5 95.211.169.45 hosted-by.leaseweb.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-2DAWJ3LkFLyPhQW9MZ9wPSNyAtvUsBzWnG 86.140.205.124 host86-140-205-124.range86-140.btcentralplus.com. "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/28.0.1500.71 Chrome/28.0.1500.71 Safari/537.36"
BM-GuJXmEFP5svk656Qcb2BhMxX7qxoXzDM 67.42.161.132 67-42-161-132.bois.qwest.net. "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"
BM-GuBfb4KrhEUGF2MfdrqkAuTNeUBXa4ke 79.141.166.32 "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; InfoPath.1)"
BM-Gty5A4E2yeuWM2FkgnJGgagJ8aYXCz1F 216.105.250.50 "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/28.0.1500.95 Safari/537.36"
BM-2DBZScRMbpNB5xYsWwFsCTS1sm8CaKiq9L 216.18.239.210 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0"

etc. etc.

niko

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Received the messages, noticed each had a unique ID as part of the link, so I never clicked on anything. Looks like an attempt to collect IPs of bitmessage users.

Ente

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Here you find what happened:
http://www.chronicles.no/2013/08/bitmessage-crackdown.html

Tl;dr:
1) Guy extracted *all* BM adresses from a local file
2) Sent messages with unique IDs to every message
3) Records IP, useragent and whatnot on his server
4) Publish explanation and logs
5) ??

https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,2964.0.html

Quote from: favdesu on August 22, 2013, 12:03:44 AM

http://www.reddit.com/r/bitmessage/comments/1krss6/bitmessage_is_broken_i_am_receiving_messages_on/

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People, do you follow URLs in spam e-mails?
Then why are you following a URL in a spam bitmessage?

Ente

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http://www.reddit.com/r/bitmessage/comments/1krss6/bitmessage_is_broken_i_am_receiving_messages_on/

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People, do you follow URLs in spam e-mails?

Then why are you following a URL in a spam bitmessage?

01BTC10

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Found this: http://www.chronicles.no/2013/08/bitmessage-crackdown.html

geofflosophy

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Quote from: Darktongue on August 21, 2013, 02:13:55 PM

Well this prompted me to check both my public abd private have been sent this message. I can't help but throw my tin foil on. Question is if by chance this is the goverment. Why BM?:And further more. .. more as a funny. Could this m be that they are still fuckin butthurt they can't crack PGP?

If it is the government, which is still obviously a big if, they might target BM because people see it as the most secure way to transact, especially knowing that tormail was cracked.

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Well this prompted me to check both my public abd private have been sent this message. I can't help but throw my tin foil on. Question is if by chance this is the goverment. Why BM?:And further more. .. more as a funny. Could this m be that they are still fuckin butthurt they can't crack PGP?

padre999

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The developers seem to be aware of the situation:

https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,2964.0.html

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Quote from: geofflosophy on August 21, 2013, 10:26:15 AM

Yes, I am saying that. But I'm not sure that your implications are correct. Like reading the blockchain, they may be able to find the public keys of every address on the network without trouble.

My knowledge about bitmessage is very close to 0, so you should be right
I thought never used address were impossible to find

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Quote from: padre999 on August 21, 2013, 08:55:59 AM

Received one of those messages from the same sender as well, to an address of mine which I published only on Facebook to "my friends".

Each of the included links is unique as you probably noticed. So I guess this is actually a big orchestrated effort to somehow link BM addresses to IP numbers. Very odd.

I wonder where they get the addresses from, and if there is some malicious script on the linked site.

... just as I type, one of those messages arrived on another address of mine which I only shared via email to very few people...

ODD!!!

Yea, I did notice that as well, which is one of the reasons that thought about linking BM to IP occurred to me. I am pretty sure I only used the one I'd shared before to follow the link, but my IP is protected by a VPN anyway so they'd have nothing.

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Are you saying that these messages are sent to addresses that were never made public?

Yes, I am saying that. But I'm not sure that your implications are correct. Like reading the blockchain, they may be able to find the public keys of every address on the network without trouble.

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Are you saying that these messages are sent to addresses that were never made public?
If so, it's either from bitmessage themselves or they've been hacked

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Received one of those messages from the same sender as well, to an address of mine which I published only on Facebook to "my friends".

Each of the included links is unique as you probably noticed. So I guess this is actually a big orchestrated effort to somehow link BM addresses to IP numbers. Very odd.

I wonder where they get the addresses from, and if there is some malicious script on the linked site.

... just as I type, one of those messages arrived on another address of mine which I only shared via email to very few people...

ODD!!!

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Quote from: favdesu on August 21, 2013, 12:33:36 AM

maybe it's just a message from the official bitmessage channel, to which you're subscribed by default? can't check it atm, but it may be possible

Address is BM-2D8yr4fzoMzwndqPwLMVyzUcdfK9LWZXjY; it's not the official channel I'm autosubscribed to.

Edit: I replied to the message letting the sender know that the link doesn't work and asking for more details. If he/she sent this message to every bitmessage address in the world, I'd imagine there will be many replies like this.

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