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Seraph1980

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Quote from: torry28 on March 20, 2017, 03:48:11 AM

Quote from: warningsigns on March 19, 2017, 11:54:24 PM

Well, of course, if you advertise the bitsler brand on every post you make, enticing people to bet and contribute to this gambling den's revenue coffers, why would anyone wonder when you defend this site's thieves?

You were once a newbie so the OP can do nothing about being just that. And indeed losing consecutively for 10 or more times in a row at 67% win chance does sound like a thieving streak.

You and "they" will of course keep saying anything to entice people to bet their bitcoins on the site. It's all about raking in those the bitcoins.

You can say anything what you want, all i can say only OP is a new guy in gambling world who doesn't even know how gambling works, we never force anyone to gamble in our site (Bitsler).
When you are losing, you will say "that site scammed me", but when you win, you will quiet like something never happened.

I am no newbie in the gambling world. I am playing online poker since 2005. And i know that anything can happen. But in a certain probability. To hit 10 losses in row in 2.5k throws means, at 67 % chance, that i shall not see this situation the next 97.5 k throws. If i do see another one, than it shall only happen one time again until 150 k throws. You see what i mean?

torry28

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Quote from: warningsigns on March 19, 2017, 11:54:24 PM

Well, of course, if you advertise the bitsler brand on every post you make, enticing people to bet and contribute to this gambling den's revenue coffers, why would anyone wonder when you defend this site's thieves?

You were once a newbie so the OP can do nothing about being just that. And indeed losing consecutively for 10 or more times in a row at 67% win chance does sound like a thieving streak.

You and "they" will of course keep saying anything to entice people to bet their bitcoins on the site. It's all about raking in those the bitcoins.

You can say anything what you want, all i can say only OP is a new guy in gambling world who doesn't even know how gambling works, we never force anyone to gamble in our site (Bitsler).
When you are losing, you will say "that site scammed me", but when you win, you will quiet like something never happened.

magneto

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I'm just telling you that there is a lot of people that have experienced worse streaks than you so don't be surprised.

Hate it when people accuse blindly of a casino being scam just cause they lost a ton of money.

Get the facts right, casinos are supposed to win. And you're supposed to lose.

oxygen88

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Anything can happen in gambling, don't be surprise you can even lose 15 times in a row at 67% win chance, it happen to me before

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Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 12:03:18 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

Well, of course, if you advertise the bitsler brand on every post you make, enticing people to bet and contribute to this gambling den's revenue coffers, why would anyone wonder when you defend this site's thieves?

You were once a newbie so the OP can do nothing about being just that. And indeed losing consecutively for 10 or more times in a row at 67% win chance does sound like a thieving streak.

You and "they" will of course keep saying anything to entice people to bet their bitcoins on the site. It's all about raking in those the bitcoins.

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Quote from: serje on March 14, 2017, 12:29:46 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on March 14, 2017, 12:25:57 AM

Quote from: serje on March 14, 2017, 12:17:05 AM

Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 12:03:18 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

Just like you said! I've been winning 2 or 3 times in a row at 0.001% but I've never complained and i'm sure that no one will ever complain when they are winning! only when they lose!

So does winning/losing determines fairness of a dice casino?

For the OP it seems like it is!

I personally don't really care as I'm not gambling to make a living.

I gamble for fun, and yes I do hope every time I will hit the jackpot! But this is only a dream that lasts while I gamble! Didn't made a way of life out of this.

Yes,probably op didn't expect that he suffer 10 losing streak which he believed its not possible on 67% chance and now hes claiming or accusing bitsler a possible scam.? Seriously? If you are a newbie on dice game you will surely say this thing and yet you didn't still experience 11x-15x straight even more. You will surely be amazed on how dice works.

game-protect

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At Roulette, where your chance to win is close to 50%, you can lose 48 times in a row. Thereafter, lose 10 times with a 67% winning chance is nothing suspicious.

cosmicblue

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Loosing 10 times in a row is very low amount of winning for that many.
What is their house edge? I highly doubt it is what they have advertised if that's the case. Undecided

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Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

It's totally possible

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Quote from: nemgun on March 14, 2017, 09:16:20 AM

I remember of last year when i was trying to check if there was a script for loosing streaks, i calculated the number of loosing/winning streaks compared to the amount of bets, using a 50% win chance. It actually respects the percentage but after a while you can see that streaks are the result of an accumulated anti-streak.

let's say 50% win chance, 1sat bet, auto-bet. Follow the results, you will notice at a moment that you win for let's say 8 streaks, the win/lose ration goes from 50% to 60% what happens is a regulation, so you accumulate the loosing streaks to get back to 50% ration, plus others to go below ~45%, depending on your strategy you can loose all your balance when it happens, the longest loose streak i had was ~30.

It is not really scaming, but a manipulation, it is fair i guess, but you have to be more intelligent, and bet less on streaks.

If anydice game would have been manipulated I'm pretty sure doouglus(the owner of the dice game that now uses clams, or how his name is) would have opened a thread with a mathematical explanation!

So it's not about manipulation because you can always stop when the odds are in your favor! Get a new account and win again and so on! But I'm sure no one wants to do 1 account for every 0,75$ won! Because you barley cover the fees with such a small profit!

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Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

You aren't familiar with dice probably, There are MUCH worse streaks and at better odds. The idea is provability fairness. as long as it confirm then it's possible...
having a bad streak is annoying and is bad luck, but if provability fairness check and you don't find something wrong, Nothing can be done to actually prove it fraudulent.

nemgun

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I remember of last year when i was trying to check if there was a script for loosing streaks, i calculated the number of loosing/winning streaks compared to the amount of bets, using a 50% win chance. It actually respects the percentage but after a while you can see that streaks are the result of an accumulated anti-streak.

let's say 50% win chance, 1sat bet, auto-bet. Follow the results, you will notice at a moment that you win for let's say 8 streaks, the win/lose ration goes from 50% to 60% what happens is a regulation, so you accumulate the loosing streaks to get back to 50% ration, plus others to go below ~45%, depending on your strategy you can loose all your balance when it happens, the longest loose streak i had was ~30.

It is not really scaming, but a manipulation, it is fair i guess, but you have to be more intelligent, and bet less on streaks.

serje

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Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 14, 2017, 06:36:42 AM

I also hitted larger streaks and lost bigger sums without complaining. Last monday i lost 0.39 btc. Why i didnt complain? Because it was my fault, that i got too greedy and couldnt block 20 losses at 42 % winning chance. But i saw strange things with those losing streaks: Did no one of you saw, that if you hit big losing streaks the rolls get faster and faster on autobet?

The thing is: the script, thats used by bitsler, is still a piece of software.

i ever has 20 streaks loses too at 42% win chance (worse than you, i had 25+ streak loses on 49.95% win chance). Sorry for your loss, but it seems you were betting in long run which we know we'll ended busted because of house edge.

It goes faster and faster because larger bets have smaller delay! Read about bets and you will see that if you bet 1 satoshie you have a big delay between your bets because no site would resist to 1 million bets made with 1 satoshie!

Learn,learn,learn!

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Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 14, 2017, 06:36:42 AM

I also hitted larger streaks and lost bigger sums without complaining. Last monday i lost 0.39 btc. Why i didnt complain? Because it was my fault, that i got too greedy and couldnt block 20 losses at 42 % winning chance. But i saw strange things with those losing streaks: Did no one of you saw, that if you hit big losing streaks the rolls get faster and faster on autobet?

The thing is: the script, thats used by bitsler, is still a piece of software.

i ever has 20 streaks loses too at 42% win chance (worse than you, i had 25+ streak loses on 49.95% win chance). Sorry for your loss, but it seems you were betting in long run which we know we'll ended busted because of house edge.

Seraph1980

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I also hitted larger streaks and lost bigger sums without complaining. Last monday i lost 0.39 btc. Why i didnt complain? Because it was my fault, that i got too greedy and couldnt block 20 losses at 42 % winning chance. But i saw strange things with those losing streaks: Did no one of you saw, that if you hit big losing streaks the rolls get faster and faster on autobet?

The thing is: the script, thats used by bitsler, is still a piece of software.

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That's like the same as saying that Bitsler is a scam because you lost all your money in one bet on 90% because you only have a 10% of losing. That's also the same as saying that Bitsler is a scam because you hit a 9900x roll, and since the chance of that happening is only 0.01%, it must be a scam, right?

The thing is, Bitsler is provably fair.

That means that as long as you bother to verify every single roll you do, you should be able to see that all the rolls are fair. Provably fair isn't foolproof, as people can't keep track of all their bets, and are likely to not verify.

But you have no proof, and when you have no proof, you have no case. People have hit way larger red streaks before. In fact it would be a miracle if nobody hit a 10 red streak. Think about it.

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Quote from: Avirunes on March 14, 2017, 12:25:57 AM

Quote from: serje on March 14, 2017, 12:17:05 AM

Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 12:03:18 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

Just like you said! I've been winning 2 or 3 times in a row at 0.001% but I've never complained and i'm sure that no one will ever complain when they are winning! only when they lose!

So does winning/losing determines fairness of a dice casino?

For the OP it seems like it is!

I personally don't really care as I'm not gambling to make a living.

I gamble for fun, and yes I do hope every time I will hit the jackpot! But this is only a dream that lasts while I gamble! Didn't made a way of life out of this.

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Quote from: serje on March 14, 2017, 12:17:05 AM

Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 12:03:18 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

Just like you said! I've been winning 2 or 3 times in a row at 0.001% but I've never complained and i'm sure that no one will ever complain when they are winning! only when they lose!

So does winning/losing determines fairness of a dice casino?

serje

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Quote from: torry28 on March 14, 2017, 12:03:18 AM

Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

Just like you said! I've been winning 2 or 3 times in a row at 0.001% but I've never complained and i'm sure that no one will ever complain when they are winning! only when they lose!

torry28

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Quote from: Seraph1980 on March 13, 2017, 10:40:25 PM

Losing 10 times in a row at 67 % winning chance seems somehow impossible. 0.002 % chance to hit that, and that is no must, seems legit. to hit that, if it is somehow good for the bank ever and ever again is suspicious. and those losses stumblin around 10 and 30 seem planned.

Another newbie without any proofs talking if he get scammed because losing 10 times in a row at 67% win chance?
To be honest i never had that losing streaks, the longest i've had only 7-8 streaks loses at 70% but anything can happen in gambling.
0.002% chance to hit it still possible, because you could win at 0.001% win chance too when you gamble.

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