Topic: Bitsler.com not fare and scam the player who win the game (Read 2134 times)

Well, you're not wrong. They do use a provably fair algorithm and it is a statistical loss whenever you place a bet. At Bitsler the best you'll have is a 0.99 ev return.

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However, they aren't scams outright. They don't cheat you of your money using some unfair means.

they should make a statement about their faucet clearly to avoid missunderstanding in the future

Dear Baryom,

1) Thank you for your reply and the picture. It remains only to confirm that I see the same on my screen. Actually, I explicitly said that I had similar situation and had no intention to deny that. I appreciate that the site took a loss on itself. Hope you can cover at least partially that with my referral deposits (even though it is only one).
   
2) My original post was about transparency and credibility of bitsler and the approach how you can enhance them. Just double-checked "terms & conditions" section on the site (btw, it's quit short and it took just a minute). In my opinion, the only relevant provision is “14.1 Only for earnings from faucets, we reserve the right not to authorize withdrawals.” That's all. The logic that you describe above is not a part of terms & conditions. This is exactly what I mean. Your logic is not self-evident. Point it out among terms and it becomes evident to all others. I believe community will appreciate in a good way this approach.

Again, please do not consider my posts as the complaint or accusation, it is not about that. it was probably inconsiderate to post my original message in this topic as I do not thing in any way that you are scam. I just found the post where a person described a situation that, in my opinion, is similar to my own. This is why I decided to leave my original message. Now I think that it would be more appropriate to make a separate topic.

If we revert to my case, I still have some satoshis on my bitsler account. Should I loss all of them and make a deposit to be considered as an honest player from your point of view? Or I can make a contribution now and continue to play without risk of being banned? What’s your view on referral commissions: is it fair to make profit on them or it is farming as well?

Thank you in advanced!

So shut off the faucet and give them bitsler coins to play with to get the hang of it. When they want to play for real then they deposit. If you dont want people to only make profit off faucets dont give them the means... this is simple.
 

Dopnt get me wrong, I dont think you scammed this person, rather I dont know the rules of the casino well enough to judge it, but if this is an issue why would the casino allow it at all? Remove the ways people can cheat the system and they cant do it anymore. Allowing them to cheat the system for the sole purpose of taking the coins afterwards seems... sketchy
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I believe you can access bitsler.com so enter here and read rules, it's very easy and such questions won't be asked.
Ohh, Bitsler is scam? Really? And can you tell me who was scammed? No one? Then just don't write lies.....
I don't say this because I promote them here, this website is really popular and if there was something wrong, it was always fixed. Baryom puts a lot of job in support and it's unfair to call them scammers when no one was scammed.

Here is faucet to test how dice works, it's not ultimate profit source. For example you are new and want to test how things work, try faucet and you will learn how to play. If you lose money and want a little fun, try faucets. But if you only play with faucets and want to get profit from it, then you deserve what you get finally, locking withdraw. It's said in rules that faucet won't be used for that.

I never understood the rules of these gambling sites. We allow you to do things, but if you do them we will ban you and take your coins.

I see this on many platforms.

Multiple accounts, bonus issues, this faucet thing, double spend attempts...

There are ways to prevent all of this, and yet they don't.

They can detect multiple accounts, but they allow you to make them. 
They allow you to wager without having deposited funds in the account to wager with (so double spending is possible)
This faucet farm thing I dont really get, but why have it if it can be abused unless its to honey pot players in to getting caught up in it?


With all this stuff, I would never gamble with any of these sites... too many ways the house can screw you over and you have no recourse.

Why have a faucet if you are not allowed to take the money out ?
Yeah scam site.

Hello,

Because a picture is worth a thousand words :

https://i.gyazo.com/dfa1fea54f422ba9c42cc8a34d2fc595.png

You made 2 withdrawals from the free btc without any deposits. Bitsler is a gambling website, it is not a faucet website. The idea of a gambling website is that a player and the owner of the casino both take risks, and the luckier win the coins. If you don't take any risks to make money, you are not following the rules. Keep that logic in mind. But it is really important to understand that we let a lot of players withdraw from the faucet every single day.
e.g a player played with his deposit and lost. He win back from the faucet why playing like an human (I am reviewing the bets before taking my decision obviously) in the next weeks, I will never block his withdrawals from the faucet.

Cheers,

Had the similar problem. When I went in "cash" this way I did not realise that broke the rules of the site. Even after have a look through the rules I still believe that the situation is not covered. Think it is worst to make a specific addition to the rules regarding that as the current provision is not evident enough for getting clear understanding of rules violation. Don't get me wrong, it is not a complaint, but the view of a player who had not any intention to make a violation. Believe this step only makes bitsler more transparent and credible.     

I have played bitsler for almost 1 year and I didn't face any problem.

I read them, still they should give them back their deposit for spending long time over their software and then restrict the player from playing from X time or forever, I just my thought I'm not saying that is what they are going to do.

"14. FAUCETS

14.1. Only for earnings from faucets, we reserve the right not to authorize withdrawals.

14.2 ATTENTION: Having more than 2 accounts is strictly forbidden(by person/IP/house/family). If you are found to be in violation of this rule all of your accounts will be blocked and any funds in them will be forfeited." via Bitsler T&C

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There are rules that were agreed upon. Took me maybe two minutes to read through the whole of the Terms and Conditions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They wouldn't have thought someone could be so jobless to leech from a faucet but rate they know about the faucet leechers anyway lol Pretty sure they'll have limitations on the faucet now.

Either way since there were no rules on the faucet money,I think the gamblers still deserve the win regardless of where the deposits come from.

I totally understand Bitsler points of view, but  I have a few questions :

1) Why instead of letting the customer knows before if you knew he has been doing this for months that's like abusing peoples time, don't get me wrong but that's what it looks like at all, you let them play til cashout time and then ban hes account ?

2) Has this customer and all others in question farming from faucet gotten their non-gambled deposit back ? I mean actually if they really gambled something it should count from their farmed coins and not towards their deposits but you haven't said anything about that.

So basically it's his fault that he faucet farmed ? I mean why wouldn't he if you allow him to ? Pretty smart way to make some monies if you ask me.Anyway you should be putting rules on your faucet options if this has become a trashy way to make money off your website.

Hello guys,

Let me explain you this simple case. The guy only played with faucet few months and after reaching 50K, he exchanged them to DOGE. 1 minute after exchanging : he deposited some DOGE. And after that he made one or two bets of 1 or 2 DOGE.  Then withdrew the full balance. You can check the deposit timing is always just after the exchanger timing. He faucet farmed like a pig and he still owe us money. I already explained him the whole situation by email to [email protected] but he threatened me to post here. I told him that I wasn't afraid of a faucet farmer like him.

All his deposits was in DOGE and none in BTC.

2017/Sep/04 - 13:46   876.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Sep/03 - 17:06   983.00000000 DOGE
2017/Sep/03 - 15:00   940.00000000 DOGE
2017/Sep/02 - 17:06   980.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Sep/02 - 16:49   965.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/29 - 15:46   778.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/23 - 16:33   767.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/22 - 17:04   805.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/20 - 16:49   790.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/15 - 13:11   870.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/13 - 08:56   800.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/12 - 09:37   993.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Aug/10 - 15:11   1,111.00000000 DOGE
2017/Jul/31 - 13:14   1,160.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/31 - 07:36   1,160.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/30 - 12:36   1,249.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/27 - 13:22   1,369.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/25 - 17:25   1,390.00000000 DOGE...
2017/Jul/25 - 16:57   1,468.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/24 - 13:23   1,305.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/23 - 07:03   1,370.00000000 DOGE   
2017/Jul/16 - 17:08   1,300.00000000 DOGE   

total of the deposit : 23429 DOGE
DOGE WAGERED 3825.68 (stats : + 245.77 DOGE)
None deposit in BTC.
BTC WAGERED  0.07157954  (stats + 0.00820007 BTC)

Here his exchanger history

2017/Sep/04 - 13:45   0.00052847 BTC   1,172.02425131 DOGE
2017/Sep/03 - 17:05   0.00052140 BTC   1,059.98257406 DOGE
2017/Sep/03 - 14:58   0.00052570 BTC   1,068.72427921 DOGE
 2017/Sep/02 - 17:05 0.00052390 BTC   1,043.32894117 DOGE
 2017/Sep/02 - 16:48 0.00052845 BTC   1,052.39011063 DOGE
 2017/Aug/29 - 15:44 0.00052848 BTC   1,227.85816371 DOGE
 2017/Aug/23 - 16:31 0.00052800 BTC   1,227.99600000 DOGE
 2017/Aug/22 - 17:03 0.00052840 BTC   1,200.34661860 DOGE
 2017/Aug/20 - 16:48 0.00052880 BTC   1,229.85660000 DOGE
 2017/Aug/15 - 13:09 0.00052800 BTC   1,172.17800000 DOGE
 2017/Aug/12 - 09:36 0.00052804 BTC   1,011.36743647 DOGE
 2017/Aug/13 - 08:55 0.00052800 BTC   1,199.43795348 DOGE
 2017/Aug/10 - 15:09 0.00052800 BTC   904.83915789 DOGE
 2017/Jul/31 - 13:12   0.00052800 BTC   874.16664406 DOGE
 2017/Jul/31 - 07:35   0.00052800 BTC   845.50544262 DOGE
 2017/Jul/30 - 12:35   0.00052800 BTC   793.47433846 DOGE
 2017/Jul/27 - 13:21   0.00052800 BTC   736.79759999 DOGE
 2017/Jul/25 - 17:24   0.00052800 BTC   736.79759999 DOGE
 2017/Jul/25 - 16:55   0.00052800 BTC   736.79759999 DOGE
 2017/Jul/24 - 13:21   0.00052831 BTC   706.93305842 DOGE
 2017/Jul/23 - 07:02   0.00052862 BTC   679.42624381 DOGE
 2017/Jul/16 - 17:02   0.00053486 BTC   757.18734913 DOGE

Because of bad people like that, I had to change the level for the exchanger.



End of the case.

Cheers,

So at the end they didn't gave you the deposit amount ? or have they ?  I mean that's the line between scammers and legit business man. You deposit amount should be given back to you and you must be barred from their soft and in case you create new accounts in result the lost of new deposits.

This is how you abused the faucet on bitlser


Do you think bitsler would scam their user while they always make lots of promotion?

The thing is, you are playing on their site and they reserve the last say on matters.

Obviously even if you deposit you could be faucet farming. For instance, i could claim faucet, gamble it up to a certain amount, exchange it into doge, deposit dogecoins into my account, and get the amount from faucet for free.

This way, you are essentially avoiding the withdrawal limits for faucet, and there is no risk involved. If everyone did this then bitsler would probably go broke. Unless i got something you said completely wrong.

What the rule I broke? I posted FAQ of Bitsler in my topic. Can you read it and show me the rule which I broke?
"TERMS AND CONDITIONS": Only for earnings from faucets  <<---- In my case, I had deposited and Wagered. I do not broke this rule


Hey I'm not Farming? I read and understand clearly the FAQ of Bitsler about Farming:

What is faucet farming?
If a player never makes a deposit and sends his/her faucet claims between accounts in order to withdraw it, usually without ever wagering.

I had deposited and  Wagered. I didn't send any faucet claims to other user. You can ask any Mod on Bitsler "What is faucet farming?"