@ DarkDollars
Did you meanwhile receive your 11,000 Euro?
Did you meanwhile receive your 11,000 Euro?
If the 11,000 wasn't enough, game-protect would be happy to scam you out of a bit more.
Topic: Bitstarz Casino Selective Scamming For High Payouts! (Read 540 times)
If the 11,000 wasn't enough, game-protect would be happy to scam you out of a bit more.
@ DarkDollars
Did you meanwhile receive your 11,000 Euro?
Did you meanwhile receive your 11,000 Euro?
BTW big lol for that user who was paid 2.4m , and yeah of course in less than 10 minutes
It's a scam, they didn't pay out anyone It's a fake user made by them they faked a win to gain players.
They stole 1.4 BTC from me, refusing to return the deposit nor payout winnings after it taking them 4 days to find an excuse.
the horrible rep of bitstarz have time to post in other threads while ignoring the problems of their users
the player did abuse the bonus and he got caught then you voided the winnings , after that you told him he would be ok if he deposit and play normally with no bonus
he did that and he won , how is that considered an abuse ? he didn't benefit from the bonus so he was just gambling normally ?
player shouldn't be asking only for his deposit , he deserve to get paid the winnings as well since your support told him everything is fine and that's logical
BTW big lol for that user who was paid 2.4m , and yeah of course in less than 10 minutes
Askgamblers should be ashamed of listing this shitty site
the player did abuse the bonus and he got caught then you voided the winnings , after that you told him he would be ok if he deposit and play normally with no bonus
he did that and he won , how is that considered an abuse ? he didn't benefit from the bonus so he was just gambling normally ?
player shouldn't be asking only for his deposit , he deserve to get paid the winnings as well since your support told him everything is fine and that's logical
BTW big lol for that user who was paid 2.4m , and yeah of course in less than 10 minutes
Askgamblers should be ashamed of listing this shitty site
As I understand it, OP has created multiple accounts with similar email addresses looking more or less the same, indicating that he was trying to get the bonus on all of them (all but the one he was "caught" with).
Right, and they would have some justification of forfeiting winnings had OP used a bonus on this deposit cycle, but OP claims that they did not and Bitstarz did not refute this. Rather, they chose to victimize themselves.@Bitstarz: got anything to say? How do you plan to proceed on this?
Edit: sent them a PM, asking for a reply here. They should take this a bit more serious, imho.
As I understand it, OP has created multiple accounts with similar email addresses looking more or less the same, indicating that he was trying to get the bonus on all of them (all but the one he was "caught" with).
Right, and they would have some justification of forfeiting winnings had OP used a bonus on this deposit cycle, but OP claims that they did not and Bitstarz did not refute this. Rather, they chose to victimize themselves.They are trying to argue about abusing the bonuses - which are -ev by the way, even without the completely ridiculous maximum bet T&C - when it has nothing to do with what OP experienced.
In this scenario, OP was not trying to get as many bonuses as possible, were they?
In this scenario, their deposit had no bonus terms associated thereof and they were betting like any other regular player.
As I understand it, OP has created multiple accounts with similar email addresses looking more or less the same, indicating that he was trying to get the bonus on all of them (all but the one he was "caught" with). I'm not sure if I missed something, but if I'm not, this is the only thing Bitstarz might have a valid point with. However, this does not change that:In this scenario, their deposit had no bonus terms associated thereof and they were betting like any other regular player.
You are blatantly stealing.
Which is, plain and simple, unacceptable. As a casino, you have to expect such behavior (hell, you're making your money from people who – at least part of them – are addicted to gambling! What do you expect, for fuck's sake!) You have the technology to identify and ban them. There is no reason on earth you're eligible to keep their deposits.
I am talking to a Law Firm based in France, hopefully they will help me thru this,
Based on what laws and regulations is the country France is applicable for your claim towards Bitstarz?I'm already down $2k+ on my trip but I'm staying positive, If you don't have the big money to spend on lawyers & stuff, there's no way you can get your stolen money back, because the law system in this world is useless for the less unfortunate don't expect help for free from the law on such online cases if you don't drop that big bag of cash.
Please do not mislead online casino victims!The law firm cooperating with Game Protect is willing to enforce valid claims on a 65:35 no cure no pay basis and the claimant does not have to spend one cent in advance.
Opening multiple accounts to try to get as many bonuses as possible is against the rules in any casino in the world, and I think it's unfair to put the blame on us
In this scenario, OP was not trying to get as many bonuses as possible, were they?In this scenario, their deposit had no bonus terms associated thereof and they were betting like any other regular player.
In this scenario, whether this was their first or hundredth account, the advantage given to them with their bets is the same: zero.
In this scenario, you are in the wrong. You are blatantly stealing.
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This is a lot of money, you have no way to complain in court against this casino? I imagine they are anonymous and unlicensed, but there must be something cool that can be done against these casinos when they are withholding people's money for no valid reason.
I am talking to a Law Firm based in France, hopefully they will help me thru this, I'm already down $2k+ on my trip but I'm staying positive, If you don't have the big money to spend on lawyers & stuff, there's no way you can get your stolen money back, because the law system in this world is useless for the less unfortunate don't expect help for free from the law on such online cases if you don't drop that big bag of cash.
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How many people have valid, open claims against Bitstarz right now?
Alot buddy, sadly you can't see them on the reviews sites because they are on Bitstarz payroll.
Curacao, AG and other authorities have declined your request because of lacking in evidence that supports that you're free of guilt, ...
Neither the license issuer nor (ask) gamblers are authorities! To what other authorities do you refer?
Yes, returning the money they legally own is the least they should do. It already looks like their reputation is not the best, but completely wasting it for a few thousand dollars sounds like a bad, short sighted idea to me. @Bitstarz what you're doing here is plain and simple theft, and that is frowned upon in this forum.
How many people have valid, open claims against Bitstarz right now?
How many people have valid, open claims against Bitstarz right now?
Game Protect published an article about asking gamblers https://game-protect.com/askgamblers/
Victims posted their experience in the comment section.
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Please ignore this user.
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I'm wondering how you do to be in all threads of this casino related forum? do you stay online every day? Do you have a bot that spies on the forum all the time and informs you that you already have a thread related to casino?
I fully agree, they even refused to return my deposited funds which is about 1.4 BTC with the unprofessional reply ever "No"
This is a lot of money, you have no way to complain in court against this casino? I imagine they are anonymous and unlicensed, but there must be something cool that can be done against these casinos when they are withholding people's money for no valid reason.
I'll be completely transparent.
return people's deposits
Then maybe we should wait for them to reply and see if they're willing to make that right or put another warning on their trust page to prevent others from falling prey to their immoral customer funds policies.
... or, as they do it themselves, act proactively and create a warning with the option to remove it after they made it right. 🤔
Edit: added warning to their trust page.
... or, as they do it themselves, act proactively and create a warning with the option to remove it after they made it right. 🤔
Edit: added warning to their trust page.
I have already said, that this Casino is a scam, and yet these people still gambling there.
This proves everything, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitstarz-is-a-scam-do-not-deposit-a-dime-fake-license-casino-5184263.
I also think, if they were really licensed they'd not be confiscating people deposits unless it's a serious issue such as fraud etc.
I fully agree, they even refused to return my deposited funds which is about 1.4 BTC with the unprofessional reply ever "No"
This proves everything, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitstarz-is-a-scam-do-not-deposit-a-dime-fake-license-casino-5184263.
I also think, if they were really licensed they'd not be confiscating people deposits unless it's a serious issue such as fraud etc.
Olle,
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
I fully agree, they even refused to return my deposited funds which is about 1.4 BTC with the unprofessional reply ever "No"
Olle,
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
Part of The Bitstarz business model is to seize player funds. The profit from keeping player funds clearly outweighs the damage to their reputation.
Olle,
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
while your evidence looks good, there is no way you can hold back the money he deposited. Allow him to withdraw only the money he initially deposited, keep the winnings and ban him from your platform. That's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for clearing this up, though. "Victims" here often only tell half the story, but when it comes to "confiscating" funds which never were yours in the first place, I'll always side with the player. You have no right whatsoever to claim ownership on funds deposited (even though ToS might say otherwise, but this is pretty much irrelevant), and keeping his money would be a clear sign that you cannot be trusted.
Hi there,
I know that in this forum (and many forums online) a lot of people wishes to side with the player, and I totally understand that initially, it may look
like they're an underdog and we're the Goliath in these ordeals. However, I think it's very important not to judge a book by the cover, but rather look
at all the evidence and then later make an educated decision. So even though you don't agree with me in the end, I can respect that, but all I ask is that you
look at both sides of the story.
As a Casino, we're not in the business of trying to find issues with every account and find reasons not to pay someone out when they win money. We recently
(mid May) had a player winning 2.4 million, and we cashed out all the withdrawals he requested within 10 minutes. However, it's also important that we as a
casino prevent promotion abuse and people who have little to none genuine intention to play fair, and do the best to try to create multiple accounts to get
as much bonuses as possible (just to mention the example most relevant to this case).
In your particular case, you have multiple accounts at BitStarz. Not just based on IP, but also based on the browser and device you play in. Besides IP detection, we can
also see players using the same device and browser, and that's how we noticed you have multiple accounts. I understand that friends sometimes use each others
phones to make a few spins, that can happen to everyone. However, it's interesting that if that's the case, these players have the same email structure as you as
per the screenshots here:
https://i.imgur.com/XU9TX1z.png
https://i.imgur.com/pf3oAgu.png
Hence, there are 3 emails used for the creation of 3 different accounts, with the same email structure, used on the same IP, the same device and in the same browser
as you. Furthermore, these are only the ones that have the same email structure, but there is about 15 other accounts used via the same device as you. In other words,
the probability of this occurring randomly for me is quite slim.
Opening multiple accounts to try to get as many bonuses as possible is against the rules in any casino in the world, and I think it's unfair to put the blame on us when
you deliberately broke the rules that you as a seasoned player is very much aware of. Don't get me wrong, if I had a lot of money confiscated (even if I broke the rules
somewhere), I'd fight for it too. I'm just a regular guy as well. But there's a right, and there's a wrong, and it's important that you also take responsibility for you breaking
the rules. If you hadn't, you'd have all the funds cashed out just as multiple big winners have at BitStarz every month.
Curacao, AG and other authorities have declined your request because of lacking in evidence that supports that you're free of guilt, but you weren't complaining when AG
ruled in your favor https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/unfair-unusual-and-very-dissapointing for your previous complaint at BitStarz.
Happy to discuss this with your lawyer, so just send me an email, I know you have mine, and I'll be completely transparent.
Olle
I know that in this forum (and many forums online) a lot of people wishes to side with the player, and I totally understand that initially, it may look
like they're an underdog and we're the Goliath in these ordeals. However, I think it's very important not to judge a book by the cover, but rather look
at all the evidence and then later make an educated decision. So even though you don't agree with me in the end, I can respect that, but all I ask is that you
look at both sides of the story.
As a Casino, we're not in the business of trying to find issues with every account and find reasons not to pay someone out when they win money. We recently
(mid May) had a player winning 2.4 million, and we cashed out all the withdrawals he requested within 10 minutes. However, it's also important that we as a
casino prevent promotion abuse and people who have little to none genuine intention to play fair, and do the best to try to create multiple accounts to get
as much bonuses as possible (just to mention the example most relevant to this case).
In your particular case, you have multiple accounts at BitStarz. Not just based on IP, but also based on the browser and device you play in. Besides IP detection, we can
also see players using the same device and browser, and that's how we noticed you have multiple accounts. I understand that friends sometimes use each others
phones to make a few spins, that can happen to everyone. However, it's interesting that if that's the case, these players have the same email structure as you as
per the screenshots here:
https://i.imgur.com/XU9TX1z.png
https://i.imgur.com/pf3oAgu.png
Hence, there are 3 emails used for the creation of 3 different accounts, with the same email structure, used on the same IP, the same device and in the same browser
as you. Furthermore, these are only the ones that have the same email structure, but there is about 15 other accounts used via the same device as you. In other words,
the probability of this occurring randomly for me is quite slim.
Opening multiple accounts to try to get as many bonuses as possible is against the rules in any casino in the world, and I think it's unfair to put the blame on us when
you deliberately broke the rules that you as a seasoned player is very much aware of. Don't get me wrong, if I had a lot of money confiscated (even if I broke the rules
somewhere), I'd fight for it too. I'm just a regular guy as well. But there's a right, and there's a wrong, and it's important that you also take responsibility for you breaking
the rules. If you hadn't, you'd have all the funds cashed out just as multiple big winners have at BitStarz every month.
Curacao, AG and other authorities have declined your request because of lacking in evidence that supports that you're free of guilt, but you weren't complaining when AG
ruled in your favor https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/unfair-unusual-and-very-dissapointing for your previous complaint at BitStarz.
Happy to discuss this with your lawyer, so just send me an email, I know you have mine, and I'll be completely transparent.
Olle
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Victims posted their experience in the comment section.
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Please ignore this user.
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