Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 194. (Read 787053 times)

See here:
http://minersource.net/blogs/news/14105713-5-11-2014-shipping-site-updates
Explains it.

Anyone have a batch 2 Minersource order for X-1 units marked fulfilled? I've got an order in for 4 batch 2 units and its sitting in fulfilled status.

More coming.

DebitMe.. i have PMed you some questions..

Congrats looks in few days we will finally see the BA.

My personal opinion is BA and MinerSource are doing their very best and soon we will see the results of their hard work.

Juan

That would be a pretty good result to get that at the rated hashrate. Has there been any testing to see how low it can go at lower hashrates? I have a Habanero with the HF chip running at 0.7J/GH at the wall and it could probably go down a little more with a purpose built low power board, but I'm not sure how much room there is below that. I'd be very interested if closing in on 0.5J/GH at the wall was possible.

Bob, is there a timeline on the website being updated, and will an updated price to reflect the reality of the market be coming out? I'm interested in some chips, but I can't imagine spending the time and money doing the design if the $1.7/GH/s for chips in qty 5000 isn't cut at least in half.

excellent! blackarrow, any updates about the 'technical solution' to power the units with our own power supplies? how much overclocking will the stock PSU allow?

I have pics of the 2 chips running @ 210gh @ 160w at the wall, uploading is soooo slooow.

Just extrapolating here. 2 chips at 0.75w/gh = 200gh at 150w or 100gh per chip.

Would love some clarification/pics.

I don't believe this. What's the hashrate per chip at that efficiency?

Can we get some pics/vids?

We have received the SMT assembled boards.
 
We are now proud to announce that Black Arrow has the most power efficient Bitcoin ASIC on the market today.
 
A single dual chip board is hashing with absolutely no errors at 1Ghz while using 150Watt at the wall, including the PSU loss.
 
We have better efficiency than 0.75Watts/ghash at the wall.

As I said, I was not patient enough. I can only take your word on what happened in the UK because no one has said up until this point that you were our hero. I wish you had been able to sell yourself better on your return and not been forced to keep your mouth shut. A customer directed email or two on your successes from the first trip would have gone miles. I've purchased from Minersource before and after this BA thing. I'm sure this isn't directed specifically against me as I've said several times that I'm a very small potatoes and only ordered a single X1 from you. I'm wishing that you had been more successful, not less. I hope it is different this time, and so far you do seem to be posting quite a bit more than last time. Anyway, I no longer have any skin in this game, so I'm going to stop replying at this point.

Your customers will make or break you. Not everyone is as optimistic and loyal as a lapdog, and those lapdog customers tend to not be very long-lived anyway. BA has made it clear they have thin skin. They want to play favorites with the future discounts. They veil information in jargon. They pretend to be too busy to spend 2 minutes to post an update. That's very childish. I understand it's in line with the average in this infant industry, but there are companies who are raising and will continue to raise that bar.

My last piece of advice: Don't play BA's game - treat all your customers with respect and as much information as you can provide them and you'll enjoy more success than BA ever will. You don't need to like your customers to make money off them, but you do need them.

We won't be limiting the 50% value one to accounts, you can do what you wish with it, however it will be a one time use coupon.

At this time all Batch 1 orders should be listed under the minersource.net accounts (if you purchased from us) Orders are numbered XXXXA or XXXXB you can calculate the amount of units you will be receiving by adding up units in those orders. As for refunds they will be removed from shipping over the next day or two but will still display on the account until the refund is issued.

How is what i said insulting? Is it not the truth? I hope he will make something off of it, if he hasn't yet, other wise, what was the point of the whole thing. I am bitter, i want a refund. My heart does not weep that he has a 6k dollar business expense. I don't get why he would have such a vested interest in this unless he stood to gain, or that he stands to lose substantially, i suppose that is an issue for him as well, where he is just some poor middle man who got snookered in with all this shit. Thinking about it, yeah that seems about right. At the same time, i don't seek to become a mining hardware sales man because of the inherent risks involved.  That was the path that he chose to take.

How do you know what black arrow stands to make on each unit? Are you privy to this information? Do you know what they are selling them to bob for, like i said, this is a business for him, not a charity. Or is he just doing the selling for black arrow for a % of the total sales? I really don't care. He is the one running a business. Of course any money is "coming from his own pocket" when he is the business owner. His statement just really irked me, complaining about cost, don't run a business then? You can't have the luxury of being your own boss and "living the dream" and then complaining about exotic 6k dollar trips to foreign lands 

Sorry to be so rude?? I am not fabricating anything, it is my perspective.   

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I am not happy having been ripped off by AMT, BFL and now BA who I thought was a really good manufacturer but turned out to be just like the rest.

But minersource is not the problem here.  If you take account of fully loaded costs, I doubt minersource is going to make anything off of these X-3s, at least not on pre-orders considering all of the extra effort they are going to have to put in (sourcing power supplies, repeat travel, time spent in negotiations with BA, responses to irate customers, etc.).   I am not happy with the compensation either, but I would rather have minersource in there trying to improve it (and get orders shipped asap) vs trying to deal with BA myself.

We will see how this all plays out.  As it stands, I would never buy from BA again, but I would buy (a different product) from minersource. 

I would like to hear the updates from minersource and put our support behind minersource, rather than undercutting them.

That might be true, but not everyone is being compensated. The customers with only 1 x1 are not being compensated. Sorry but a coupon towards your next purchase is not compensation its more money for Black Arrow.

Here s 2 unanswered questions from ecointalk

4/ If I buy a PSU from the BA store the shipping is $70,does this assume that the PSU will be installed in the comp unit,so in effect it is combined shipping for both PSU&comp unit? If not then this would seem excessive as I only paid $67 for an entire X-3.

 

5/ I opted for the 5 day free hosting,if I buy a PSU now will BA install the PSU into the comp unit and host it as well for 5 days? Then ship everything together?

Great perfect. I PM'ed you my phone #, txt me when you have the list ready as I may or may not have forum/email access while im there.

I'm sure nobody is more eager to see the end of this than Bobsag3 and the rest of the minersource gang.  I can't imagine their profit margin is anything meaningful at this point, if it even still exists.

Our individual voices can often fall on deaf ears, as was likely the case leading up to late February.  But BA can't ignore their largest reseller (and thereby, customer) when they want answers.  So yes, without Bobsag3 traveling and and having some face-time with BA, we could very well be more in the dark than we are now.  Bottom line:  Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Thank you.

Would you mind putting a list together for me/david/BA, something clear and concise I can bring to them today/tomorrow, rather than me slinging questions as them at random and missing out on some important ones I may miss.