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dgincr

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I just bought 2 Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) from Blackarrow (Delivery Apr 30)

I have tried to reach them countless times over the phone, email and ticket system and no luck. It's like I wired them my money and then I am being ignored. I fear that They are stealing my money because they aren't answering me after 2 weeks now.

Now I have asked them to cancel my order and they are completely ignoring me again!

I have a bad feeling they are a fake company trying to get in Orders and then disappear like Gypsy's!

What do you guys think? Huh

Septimus

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Quote from: r00tdude on January 30, 2014, 02:20:49 PM

The were down before the announcement that they won't ship until May making the miners they were producing worth not-a-whole-helluva-lot. Sorry to those that have their stake in these miners.

r00tdude

I was very tempted to invest with them, but after they did a series of stupid things (hiring a random know-it-all pillock from their forums as a staff member, consistent stream of generalized excuses...which is still continuing to this day, as well as blatant refusal to acknowledge their lack of experience in customer support and accept good advice from others) I decided it would definitely not be worth the trouble. You can't expect miracles from people with hardly anything to show for their claims.

They've overestimated their own capabilities, and everyone else who invested with them is kicking themselves for doing the same. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they simply disappeared come May.

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The were down before the announcement that they won't ship until May making the miners they were producing worth not-a-whole-helluva-lot. Sorry to those that have their stake in these miners.

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not lookin' good

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Quote from: Kaega on January 29, 2014, 07:18:21 PM

Quote from: mishima on January 29, 2014, 07:16:41 PM

Black Arrow's website has been down for 12 hours.

Powered down office for holiday? :-P

They website says:
"Sorry, the store is temporarily closed for maintenance.
We expect to reopen within 1 hour (19:00 HK, 11:00 London, 05:00 Wyoming)."

https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/store_closed.html

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Quote from: mishima on January 29, 2014, 07:16:41 PM

Black Arrow's website has been down for 12 hours.

Powered down office for holiday? :-P

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Black Arrow's website has been down for 12 hours.

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Quote from: masterOfDisaster on December 12, 2013, 10:19:19 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 11, 2013, 12:41:27 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.

wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math

at 30% you get this

908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
[...]

Almost correct, but with a 30% increase in difficulty, the 2016 block period is shortened equally (to below 11 days; 14/1.3=10.77). Correct calculation for 30% difficulty increase:

Code:

date diff in mio. time frame for 2016 blocks
10 Dec 13 908 10,77
20 Dec 13 1.180 10,77
31 Dec 13 1.535 10,77
11 Jan 14 1.995 10,77
22 Jan 14 2.593 10,77
1 Feb 14 3.371 10,77
12 Feb 14 4.383 10,77
23 Feb 14 5.698 10,77
6 Mar 14 7.407 10,77

I expect the difficulty increase to slow down a bit. Currently there are roughly 6.5 PH/s running.
To boost that up to a difficulty of 7400 million until beginning of march, you need another 46 PH/s added to the Bitcoin network.
The total amount of PH/s (that is yet announced, but needs to be delivered) for 2014 is only a bit more than 20 PH/s.
Even with the late delivery that was announced for 2013 (and that may happen in early 2014) it can be doubted that the total network speed will reach more than 50 PH/s by beginning of march 2014.
But who knows...

The last retarget has come on Dec 21, not Dec 20, with nearly exact 30% increase (even slightly higher).. ;-)
But you're right, the time periods in the OP weren't correct either, they were even the same for different expected increase rates.

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Quote from: thomas_s on December 19, 2013, 01:44:30 PM

Quote from: Blueman666 on December 19, 2013, 04:54:20 AM

I see that Black Arrow are now selling cards using 16 Bitfury chips from stock at $999

Must have decided to sell off the farm boards shown in bobsag3's pictures.

No they got more BF chips

So it's now $1k for 40 Gh/s today, and $300 for 100 Gh/s in Feb (hopefully)... ;-)

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Quote from: Blueman666 on December 19, 2013, 04:54:20 AM

I see that Black Arrow are now selling cards using 16 Bitfury chips from stock at $999

Must have decided to sell off the farm boards shown in bobsag3's pictures.

No they got more BF chips

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I see that Black Arrow are now selling cards using 16 Bitfury chips from stock at $999

Must have decided to sell off the farm boards shown in bobsag3's pictures.

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Quote from: Slander on December 15, 2013, 05:30:56 PM

Blackarrow will deliver the goods, on time. I will be selling my X-1's for a grand each when they arrive. They will sell out in 2 hours.

I purchased 10 shares of one from dZcoop so I will have about 400gh coming on line late feb. this would be 1/5 of the machine

Slander

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Blackarrow will deliver the goods, on time. I will be selling my X-1's for a grand each when they arrive. They will sell out in 2 hours.

takagari

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Quote from: ?? on ??

So where does all this leave us at?

You understood both of our comments were sarcasm right?...
Either buy or don't buy, there is no maybe.

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Owner, Minersource.net

Just saying I have physically stood in their offices... and provided plenty of pics about the trip over on the black arrow thread.

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on December 14, 2013, 06:25:34 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Puppet on December 10, 2013, 04:34:28 AM

Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.

What about the pricing,is it real?

Lol on this

Why the Lulz? Obviously a real company would have fake prices Wink

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Puppet on December 10, 2013, 04:34:28 AM

Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.

What about the pricing,is it real?

Lol on this

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Friend at the MGM bitcoin conference said that the Hashfast Babyjet is officially real, and 400ghps. There's a lot of this stuff coming online soon. If you have equipment that is getting less than 1ghps per watt, I would really suggest you offload it to an enemy soon. Tongue

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'The right to privacy matters'

well the gear we got from them has been only so so. we should have 3.3 th and we have 1.7 th. a lessor design but not to good so far.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-r9-12-threads-dz-miners-co-op-plz-move-s-and-discussion-here-328996

a long thread i have about 11 shares and i have made fiat roi. but i am owed about .55 btc due to hash shortage. i would have grabbed 10-15 shares from here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedr17x-black-arrow-prospero-x-3-dzmc-exclusive-130-40ghs-335145

i have purchased only 3.

takagari

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Quote from: lajz99 on December 12, 2013, 02:31:21 PM

Warning.

I suggest you all take a look at the Drillbit thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3898239

BlackArrow assembled the boards and look where we are today...having MAJOR issues requiring repair. Beware.

Actually two post's down they state it wasnt the boards causing the issue's.....

bittymymitty

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I was tempted to put in an order, but running the numbers, you'll be lucky if you break even by the time it ships, and that's assuming you get close to 100% utilization. If it's as new as they claim it is..there's gonna be duds, knowing my luck I'll get one of them. Buying server time seems to give best returns for minimal risk.

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Warning.

I suggest you all take a look at the Drillbit thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3898239

BlackArrow assembled the boards and look where we are today...having MAJOR issues requiring repair. Beware.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 11, 2013, 12:41:27 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.

wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math

at 30% you get this

908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
[...]

Almost correct, but with a 30% increase in difficulty, the 2016 block period is shortened equally (to below 11 days; 14/1.3=10.77). Correct calculation for 30% difficulty increase:

Code:

date diff in mio. time frame for 2016 blocks
10 Dec 13 908 10,77
20 Dec 13 1.180 10,77
31 Dec 13 1.535 10,77
11 Jan 14 1.995 10,77
22 Jan 14 2.593 10,77
1 Feb 14 3.371 10,77
12 Feb 14 4.383 10,77
23 Feb 14 5.698 10,77
6 Mar 14 7.407 10,77

I expect the difficulty increase to slow down a bit. Currently there are roughly 6.5 PH/s running.
To boost that up to a difficulty of 7400 million until beginning of march, you need another 46 PH/s added to the Bitcoin network.
The total amount of PH/s (that is yet announced, but needs to be delivered) for 2014 is only a bit more than 20 PH/s.
Even with the late delivery that was announced for 2013 (and that may happen in early 2014) it can be doubted that the total network speed will reach more than 50 PH/s by beginning of march 2014.
But who knows...

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Quote from: Xian01 on December 11, 2013, 01:12:09 PM

For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order.

It's been almost a week now Undecided

try opening a support ticket and tag it as Critical.

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Quote from: sameev29 on December 10, 2013, 04:31:35 AM

I have been looking at Black Arrow Software from last month.Their prices are too low compared to Butterflylabs(BFL) and Kncminer:

Black Arrows' Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second) is $352 only where BFL's 50 GH/S BITCOIN MINER is $2500

Black Arrows' Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) is $5950 where BFL's 600 GH/S BITCOIN MINING CARD is $4680 and Kncminer's Neptune (3000Ghash/sec) is $13000

Black Arrow's Rent-Some-Minions - 6 months for 1000Ghash/sec is $3050 and BFL's 1Ghash/sec for 1 year is $10.83 that's $5.415/6month.Now for 1000hash/sec it's $5415/6month.

As you can see in every product Black Arrow's price is just too unimaginably low.They are based in China which also makes a suspicion in me if they are legit or not.Also they don't allow group buys.They start shipping from February next year.I don't see any other provider offering anything at that price not even close to them.

They have phone numbers for China,Hong Kong,UK and US.So are they real or just a scam?Waiting to hear from specialists here.

Same perception I had a year ago.
Ordered some ASIC miners from the BTCfpga team (USA). They tanked.
Should have bought Avalon units (China) . Still banging my head.

Blueman666

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If you look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3884729 you will see a little way down that bobsag3 has posted many pictures of his visit to Black Arrow a few days ago.

Meltdow

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I want hardware and "cloud-mining" so bad from them... but I also still dont know if they are reliable or not.
When asking if I can visit them, I did not get any reply, which is not a good sign.

But maybe I am wrong and just miss a good opportunity.....
Its really really hard.... Wink

Xian01

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For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order.

It's been almost a week now Undecided

philipma1957

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Quote from: frankenmint on December 11, 2013, 03:37:23 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 11, 2013, 12:41:27 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.

wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math

at 30% you get this

908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21

machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.

at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill

machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money

lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775

machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made

just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill

machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.

many ifs

Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.

I think you have not a real understanding of what I wrote.

   I have 4 cases up to the feb 25 date

   one at 30% gets to 4383 mill
   two at 27% gets to 3000 mill
three at 25% gets to 2775 mill
  four at 20% gets to 2260 mill

any of them could happen.

worse case 4383 best case 2260 mill.

and this has not included the price of btc    will it be 200 usd 1000 usd 2000 usd

so many ifs

Septimus

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Quote from: guytechie on December 11, 2013, 09:32:22 AM

Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.

They do, but at a large delay. They're probably swamped with emails like minersource...probably.

It's been stated they're certain that they will deliver exactly on or near February 24th. I'm not sure if this comes from pure confidence or a highly efficient production line.

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Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.

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BFL prices were set a long time ago and are now completely crazy. The only reason they sell anything at those prices is because they can supply from stock, and a miner in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Black Arrows prices are probably realistic as 100G in March will not be anything to get excited about and as it seems to be made with only one ASIC it will be pretty cheap to manufacture.

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I'm tempted to buy the Minion Cloud service for 1TH worth.

If it pops off in March, and Diff is 6 billion or less, it should do the trick. Cool

This shit does look too good to be true, with no near competitors in sight. Huh

This could be the Chinese KNC or the Chinese BFL. Shocked

Heaven or Hell.........Purgatory is also a very real possibility.

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Quote from: frankenmint on December 11, 2013, 04:24:19 AM

And you honestly expect the additional 28 PH to come online within the next 5 months to hit 4.4+ B difficulty?

Unless most vendors keep dropping the ball far more than they have so far, then yes.
If you dont, then do you think CT isnt going to be able to ship 2PH batches each month, or do you think CT and Bitmine together will have more than 50% of the market?

We've seen 7-8 PH added in the past 5 month, and only one vendor has been shipping latest gen miners. Next year there will be over 10 such vendors.

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Quote from: Puppet on December 11, 2013, 03:58:08 AM

Quote from: frankenmint on December 11, 2013, 03:37:23 AM

Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.

510900000 * 1.25³ = 997M or <1B

That said, instead of assuming a continuation of an exponential growth curve that fit remarkably well the past 12 months, feel free to add up all orders promised to ship in the next 6 months from 12+ vendors and see what happens. To get you started:
Cointerra: 2+ PH per batch x 5 = 10+PH
Bitmine: 4 PH before April
Asicminer: 2-20 PH

Add your own estimates for Hashfast, BFL, BlackArrow, KnC, Labgarden, Bitmain, ActMiner, Bitfury, Avalon,..

And you honestly expect the additional 28 PH to come online within the next 5 months to hit 4.4+ B difficulty?

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Quote from: frankenmint on December 11, 2013, 03:37:23 AM

Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.

510900000 * 1.25³ = 997M or <1B

That said, instead of assuming a continuation of an exponential growth curve that fit remarkably well the past 12 months, feel free to add up all orders promised to ship in the next 6 months from 12+ vendors and see what happens. To get you started:
Cointerra: 2+ PH per batch x 5 = 10+PH
Bitmine: 4 PH before April
Asicminer: 2-20 PH

Add your own estimates for Hashfast, BFL, BlackArrow, KnC, Labgarden, Bitmain, ActMiner, Bitfury, Avalon,..

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 11, 2013, 12:41:27 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.

wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math

at 30% you get this

908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21

machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.

at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill

machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money

lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775

machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made

just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill

machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.

many ifs

Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.

philipma1957

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.

wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math

at 30% you get this

908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21

machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.

at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill

machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money

lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775

machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made

just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill

machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.

many ifs

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Quote from: Slander on December 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM

does anyone have the link to the page where you put your payment details AFTER you wire money? I cant find it.

I've only ordered with btc, but they sent me an invoice and provided me with the address to sent the coin.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 10, 2013, 07:44:18 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 10, 2013, 07:40:31 PM

do you realize you can buy smaller amounts here :

and that they have an on going pro to type here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-r9-12-threads-dz-miners-co-op-plz-move-s-and-discussion-here-328996 hashing made money has bugs

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedr17x-black-arrow-prospero-x-3-dzmc-exclusive-130-40ghs-335145 you can buy at 130 a share 50 shares

comes to 6500 a miner a small premium .

read carefully both threads. I have 2 shares of this. r17

read the r9 -r12 yeah it is long but it is your money. I have 11 shares of it.

If this is a real company and if the r17 buy is good all older gear sucks.

since i made money on the r9 to r12 . I grabbed some r17. I am on the fence as to purchasing 10 more shares for 400gh

Three of us are buying 50 shares, no fence, go big or GTFO

Always risk but if you waited to buy one of the X-3 units after they launched, you'd pay 4X an dnever recover unless coins go threw the roof.

Right now an x-3 will make you a few grand if it stays at 900 a coin. Late delivery will kill you.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 10, 2013, 07:40:31 PM

do you realize you can buy smaller amounts here :

and that they have an on going pro to type here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-r9-12-threads-dz-miners-co-op-plz-move-s-and-discussion-here-328996 hashing made money has bugs

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedr17x-black-arrow-prospero-x-3-dzmc-exclusive-130-40ghs-335145 you can buy at 130 a share 50 shares

comes to 6500 a miner a small premium .

read carefully both threads. I have 2 shares of this. r17

read the r9 -r12 yeah it is long but it is your money. I have 11 shares of it.

If this is a real company and if the r17 buy is good all older gear sucks.

since i made money on the r9 to r12 . I grabbed some r17. I am on the fence as to purchasing 10 more shares for 400gh

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

do you realize you can buy smaller amounts here :

and that they have an on going pro to type here

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despite all the hype, I honestly doubt they can ship on time. I do hope they can prove me wrong because I am their customer as well. they priced their product competitively with cointerra though.

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Quote from: tom_o on December 10, 2013, 03:45:30 PM

That's what people were saying about BFL mid 2012...

Yeah, and back then they were rightly saying BFL had a proven trackrecord of delivering FPGA miners.
About one year later than they promised.

Blackarrow so far seems to have done pretty much what they promised. Granted, there is a big difference between producing boards based on FPGAs and a custom asic, but its still unfair to compare them to BFL. Id also add that BA had one of the most conservative public timetables. Thats no guarantee they will deliver, but I wouldnt be surprised if BA shipped their kit before BFL gets Monarch out of the door, and Id be willing to bet that if you order today, a BA miner will be delivered before a Monarch ordered today.

Quote from: ?? on ??

April?They say their products will be available on 24 February,2014.

Yes thats when they say shipping will begin in order or payment, which means if you order now, you'll not likely get it before sometime in March at the earliest. Unless you think you will ROI in 2 weeks, difficulty in April and beyond will determine how "cheap" you think you bought your miner, and by that time, almost all vendors will be shipping their latest product in volume.

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Quote from: Puppet on December 10, 2013, 04:34:28 AM

Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.

That's what people were saying about BFL mid 2012...

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I'm waiting on some cash and then definitely buying into black arrow. If it ships Q1 it is a really nice buy compared to the cointerra and neptune right now. I'm excited to see how they transition from FPGA.

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does anyone have the link to the page where you put your payment details AFTER you wire money? I cant find it.

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Quote from: Puppet on December 10, 2013, 06:56:56 AM

April?They say their products will be available on 24 February,2014.

They still haven't given any real pictures of the products.I am very eager to get the prospero X-1.But not sure if I will get what I will pay for.

I think that April launch he was taking about was Cointerra. But I could be talking out my ass here too, i've been known to before.

takagari

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You need to learn how HTC works.

The bfl stock selling now. Will be completely useless when ba launches. As we go along you need more and more power to get the same coins.

Think of TH as the new GH. The next generation after the x-3 will likely be 10s or 100s of TH and likely the same price point.

Bfl was cheap on pre order. Wait and see what the x-3 sells for in Feb

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How it could it not be real? And its no different than cointerra's april batch.

Whether you will still find those an unbelievable deal by that time, we shall see in April, but there is no doubt BFL is offering lousy deals.

Puppet

legendary

Activity: 980

Merit: 1040

Its a real company with a proven trackrecond supplying FPGA miners. There is very little to no doubt their asic project is genuine. Whether or not they will be able to deliver what they promise when they promise, is anyone's guess, but that goes for every other company out there.

sameev29

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

I have been looking at Black Arrow Software from last month.Their prices are too low compared to Butterflylabs(BFL) and Kncminer:

Black Arrows' Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second) is $352 only where BFL's 50 GH/S BITCOIN MINER is $2500

Black Arrows' Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) is $5950 where BFL's 600 GH/S BITCOIN MINING CARD is $4680 and Kncminer's Neptune (3000Ghash/sec) is $13000

Black Arrow's Rent-Some-Minions - 6 months for 1000Ghash/sec is $3050 and BFL's 1Ghash/sec for 1 year is $10.83 that's $5.415/6month.Now for 1000hash/sec it's $5415/6month.

As you can see in every product Black Arrow's price is just too unimaginably low.They are based in China which also makes a suspicion in me if they are legit or not.Also they don't allow group buys.They start shipping from February next year.I don't see any other provider offering anything at that price not even close to them.

They have phone numbers for China,Hong Kong,UK and US.So are they real or just a scam?Waiting to hear from specialists here.

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