Topic: Black Satanist Running for Senate in California (Read 1234 times)

You mean the Black House? That was just Anton LaVey's home, and was so called because, in keeping with Satanic aesthetics, he painted it black. It was occasionally used for meetings, but only in the same way that the leader of any other organisation would sometimes hold meetings in his/her home. It didn't have really have any more significance than that and was eventually demolished after LaVey's death.

Individuality means being able to think for yourself and make your own decisions in life. I'd say it's a shame not everyone has this ability, but if you really think you'd be evil and hateful if left to your own devices, perhaps we're all better off if you don't.

I'm sorry you failed so miserably, then.

I can read it, I just don't understand it. Here in the real world equivalence is transitive. That means if two things are the same as a third thing, the two things must be the same as each other. If A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Yet the doctrine of the Trinity requires that this not be true. How can God be the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit if the Father is not the Son and not the Holy Spirit? Explain how that works without calling it a "divine mystery". Mystery is the opposite of explanation, and doctrine must be explained if it is to be taken seriously.

If you think that, you may be interested to learn how Anton LaVey came to conclude that humans are animals and God doesn't help. A musician by profession, he played the organ at both a church and a brothel, and saw the same men in both places. The hypocrisy of not just Christianity, but all spiritual religions, denying humans their true nature is what ultimately led him to found a religion based on carnality.

so you are an animal right? That's very smart and science it has been proven? 2x smart
So we are animals but we need laws? Laws it teach you what is love? laws it teach you how to be gooD? If you are an animal how do you know what is good and what is wrong? or you are an hedonist?
There are good laws and bad laws, you can be killed by a bad law. And who made those laws? )
Common sense? but animals don't have common sense.
Relax..I'm just laughing, you are very funny! do you know that?
I'm wondering how old are you, hope  you are not a kid...
You are right somehow.. sometime we are acting like animals not because we are animals just because some of us  have no God.

"church" doesn't mean buildings, church means community (learn  what represent the body of church) Also learn about Early Church ( there was no building)

about satanists, they have some "house" and places where they meet.

About the Orthodox Christianity:
ex; Greek Orthodox Church , Russian Orthodox Church, Romanian  Orthodox Church   and so on.. All the christians baptized as orthodox form the Church ( in this case, Orthodox Church)  Each Orthodox Church is autocefal.

Individuality doesn't mean peace or love. Individuality it makes you bad, full of hate, hedonist, jealous, greedy and so on..

I've linked that site to show how stupid they are..

About Trinity is very simple..but you must read and learn.

First, you have not said anything about what you see in your country... you said

You have not even said which country, much less defined what you mean by "black magic", or given any details... magic of any kind, by definition, does not exist... praying to Satan does exactly as much good as praying to Allah or Yahweh... zero, zip, zilch... nada... nothing... prayer does nothing, no matter who you pray to

On the other hand, voodoo has more to do with science, paralysis, and hypnosis than magic... it's not real either... it's a trick

Spirit possession however is totally real... not... come on man... really?  It's a shame spirits only possess people in your country... the ones in my country must be nicer... nobody gets possessed around here... coincidence?

In some countries, spirit possession is like speaking in tongues in America... it's not real either... it's people pretending... it's fake

Faith healing is also fake... faith healers are con artists


Secondly, I'm not a Satanist (once again), so don't ask me questions about LaVey... I don't really care... I only wanted to point out that they do not worship Satan

Yes humans are animals... that has been proven with science if it was not intuitively obvious...

Rationality/logic is more important than animal instincts... this is why we have laws... people are by nature both aggressive and greedy... you need laws against assault, murder, stealing, etc... not because god said so, but because common sense says so

Oh, sort of like how Christians don't believe in Jesus, they believe in God, and Jesus is the same person as God? I never quite understood the Trinity doctrine. Any belief that holds that equivalence is intransitive is hard for a logical mind to grasp.

You mean this guy?

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Okay.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs.php
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-membership.php
You seem to be. Look at your logic. You link to a website that contradicts everything you say about it.

First; my God is not wiki (maybe for you) I tell you what i've seen in my country not what  wiki says..

Second: "LaVey criticized for what he saw as the suppression of humanity's natural instincts.'" how do you argue this?

Third; do you think the humans are animals? or whats more important? the natural instincts or rationality, logic, conscience, feelings/sentiments ?

Fourth: which are the natural instincts? list them .

I am simply stating the facts... and I am only interested in the facts, not some sob story... that is not a fact, but opinion

LaVeyan Satanists, like the church of Satan, do not believe Satan is an actual god/angel/demon... Same goes with Lucifer... Same goes with God, Jehovah, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Aphrodite, Thor, Ra, Horus, Anubis, Isis, Osiris, etc...

They do not believe in fairy tales, and do not worship them... it's that simple

Please do a tiny bit of research before propagating misinformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism


Feel free to read the basic tenets of Satanism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism#Basic_tenets

You assume way too much when you think the name has anything to do with their beliefs... they chose the name to scare people like you, that's all

Moloch you just are playing with words  Take a look : http://www.churchofsatan.com/

You are welcome in my country to see what the "black magic" can do.

Also you speak only BS! ( sorry to say that)

They are praying to lucifer ( but you said that they don't believe in any gods )
You can easily become a satanist ( because as you said, satanists don't believe in satan=lucifer) uhh but they have "church"

Do you speak about nonsense? just take a look to your logic..

I saw that  when someone says something you also become aggressive. Why?

1) I am not a Satanist
B) Satanists do not worship Satan or Lucifer... they don't worship any gods, demons, or any such imaginary creatures
iii) I have no interest in christianity... I've been there, done that... I've read the book... it's wrong... definitely wrong... 100% wrong... zero doubt... it's wrong

There is no sob story that could get me to believe in such nonsense... it's stupid, and I cannot fathom how so many people blindly believe this bullshit without bothering to think about it for two minutes

Moloch, please do not be deceived.

Satanist do not believe in Satan, they believe in Lucifer. The spirit of light who rules the world and whom Jesus is trying to compete with... blah, blah, blah.

LUCIFER IS THE SAME PERSON AS SATAN!!


Google John Todd.

He was born a satanist into the illuminati family line. He didn't know he was worshipping satan for the first 20-something years of his life, he had always thought that Lucifer was God, Jesus was an imposter and christianity was a joke.

Then he came to Jesus, casted out all the demons that was inside him as a result of satanic rituals and inheritance, was set free and went around churches telling all he knew. I think he died some years back.


And you will learn a lot by searching for the name Svali on Google... she was also born a satanist and she came to Christ.

YOU WILL UNDERSTAND BETTER THE LIES THE OCCULT HAS TAUGHT YOU.


These two christians were once satanist and they have one or two things to share with you, if you will read their story.

Please know that it is possible to be free from the occult... do not believe otherwise.
Jesus can and will set you free if you believe in Him. He cares and you do not have to kill anything to prove your loyalty to Him... unlike the occult.

Is Satan cliff-diving in this photo?... the caption on Wikipedia reads:

Not sure why "Hate" is capitalized... is that Earth?  It kinda looks like Earth to me...


Note: I am partial to Milton's Paradise Lost... he mentions my name a few times:

This is a really stupid Satan, because those wings will not support his weight.  He will have a lift to drag ratio of about 1:666.  Of course that can be overcome with power, but I have heard he's pretty much lacking in power to rise up. 

I suppose that's the difference between Satanists and Satan Worshipers...

Satan Worshipers, actually worship some imaginary angel named Satan, and do crazy shit

Satanists will never say, "Satan made me do it", because they do not believe Satan is real... at best Satan is a metaphor (not for evil, but for skepticism and challenging the status-quo... in the bible, Ha-Satan is not evil, he is simply "the accuser")

I don't have a good opinion about these satanists. They give bad publicity for all the non-Christian denominations, including atheists, Hindus, and Buddhists. And most of the Satanists seems to be mentally challenged people. An example here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125972/Face-face-cannibal-feasted-human-flesh-sold-meat-pies-interview-Brazilian-teacher-sick-Satanic-cult-wife-mistress-fed-remains-one-mother-toddler-daughter.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1056029/Satan-worshippers-kill-eat-Russian-teenagers-stabbing-666-times.html

I still say that I'm not the judge of which followers actually believe their religious jargon or not

If they claim to be Satanist... they are...

Same thing goes for Christians... it's exactly the same concept

Mormons claim to be Christians... so viola... they are Christians...

Nevermind the fact that they claim Jesus is a space-alien from the planet Kolob, who has physical sex with the "virgin" mary... or that they believe Jesus returned to earth in America, to write a book on golden plates... which Joseph Smith translated using the help of a magic hat and a magic rock...

Mormons are Christians because they claim to be... (though, similar to your claim, many Christians do not accept them as part of their club)


Catholics don't believe in hell, Protestants do

Catholics worship the virgin Mary and hundreds of "saints", Protestants don't give 2 fucks about Mary or saints


Muslims are more similar to The Satanic Temple... they claim to be an updated form of Christianity (though they don't claim to be Christians themselves)


There are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations, and each of them claim to be the one and only true version of Christianity

I don't think it's similar at all. The various Christian sects can at least agree on who Christ was and his basic teachings. Even the Muslims and Jews agree on that much.

Which doesn't apply when the definition of the term itself is what's in dispute. I define a Satanist as one who follows the principles laid out in the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, that book being the first and so far only self-contained belief system to use the name Satanism. Like I said, if others want to produce their own original religious text of the same calibre and call it Satanism, then they might have an argument. But none do.

...then they should present evidence of that claim. As far as I can tell, they "updated" LaVeyan Satanism by rejecting it entirely, which I don't think counts as an update.

Neither has places of worship. One of them is an individualistic religion that rejects the notion of regular worship with a congregation, and instead advocates the practice of rituals in one's own home. The other is not a religion at all.

Well, Wikipedia's certainly saying so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_parodies_and_satires

It also says they're are a "social movement, advocacy group, and protest group" (as opposed to the Church of Satan, which is a "new religious movement") that was first formed for the specific purpose of protesting the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Which would be fine if they hadn't taken the name of an existing religion which they have nothing to do with. It's like if atheists dressed up as Christian priests as part of some political protest, and people mistook them for an actual Christian denomination. No matter that what they're preaching is totally at odds with what's in the Bible; they have a "right" to call themselves Christians anyway. Then they act surprised when people get offended.

Fair point... there are definitely differences between several different groups all calling themselves Satanists

You have
1) People who actually worship some imaginary angel named Satan
2) LaVeyan Satanists
3) Satanic Temple Satanists

In a similar fashion you have:
1) Catholic Christians
2) Protestant Christians
3) Mormon Christians

You also have the no-true-scotsman fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

If they claim to be an updated form of LaVeyan Satanism, and call themselves Satanists... ...

I have not been to either of their temples, so I don't know how the two really compare

I suppose you could say it's more like Islam/Mormon/WBC vs Christianity?... similarish, but differentish?

Or, are you saying its simply a fake/satirical/proxy religion, unlike LaVeyan Satanism?

Ostensibly.

Yes. Not all people deserve benevolence and empathy, nor is it possible in practice to even be benevolent and empathic to all people. Anyone who tries will find their benevolence is too dilute to make a difference. Claiming to love everyone is just feel-good talk to make people feel better about themselves. I'm sure you've heard such empty talk before.

Or a lobby group. Strip away the political activism and you'll find that the "Satanic" Temple has nothing else to it. They simply aren't a religion of any sort, and their members aren't Satanists.

I can describe my arse as smelling like lavender but that doesn't make it so. Read the "Satanic" Temple's tenuous tenets and compare it to the Satanic Bible and tell me what, if anything, the two have in common. That's why the Wikipedia article starts with "Not to be confused with Church of Satan."

Sooo.... Ummm....  Did you actually read the article your linked about the satanic temple?

Did you notice their mission is, "to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people"?

Does that sound evil to you?

How about this?


Such evil bastards!  Using satire as a weapon?!?  Who would fight for separation of church and state?  Only Satan!

You say, "They have absolutely nothing to do with LaVeyan Satanism"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple#Criticism_of_LaVeyan_Satanism

Read a damn article man!  Educate yourself!

I hate the "Satanic" Temple, because I bothered to research for even 2 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

They have absolutely nothing to do with LaVeyan Satanism except to insult it, they don't even have much of a philosophy or beliefs of their own, and the beliefs they do have are in many ways diametrically opposed to Satanism (eg, egalitarianism instead of meritocracy). They're just using the name Satan to promote their political agenda (and have been known to involve children in their political protests - can you imagine anything less Satanic than that?), and I don't expect them to last any longer than the many other short-lived pseudo-Satanic groups that have appeared and disappeared over the years. I could take these groups more seriously if they actually produced an original and meaningful canon on the level of LaVey's Satanic Bible, but that would require effort and creativity, and the Dark Lord knows those attributes are in short supply among these pretenders to the throne.

EDIT: Typo.