Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)

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Quote from: Coin_trader on February 21, 2022, 08:30:23 AM

Lightning Blackjack is the worst for a casual player that has a limited bank roll. The lightning fee is 100 of bet which is insanely high and you will need to win a game just to get the lightning multiplier. Afterwards they will charge again 100% lightning fee so technically you are just betting as 1:1 bet if your multiplier is just x2 while losing 200% of your bet if you lose a game which is not worth it especially if the dealers is on winning streak. This game ain't for normal players that want to have fun. Cry

I guess people don't really care about RTP, especially if they are casual.

The best thing that you can do for yourself when it comes to maximising your odds is to follow the relevant basic strategies for Blackjack. On regular blackjack you should be able to get something like 99.5%.

But even if you play the best variant, without proper basic strategy, your RTP can slip drastically. When I want to play, I just play speed blackjack with Basic Strategy.

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Lightning Blackjack is the worst for a casual player that has a limited bank roll. The lightning fee is 100 of bet which is insanely high and you will need to win a game just to get the lightning multiplier. Afterwards they will charge again 100% lightning fee so technically you are just betting as 1:1 bet if your multiplier is just x2 while losing 200% of your bet if you lose a game which is not worth it especially if the dealers is on winning streak. This game ain't for normal players that want to have fun. Cry

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Quote from: Mauser on February 19, 2022, 07:36:47 AM

When you say there are unlimited seats and games offered, does it mean there are also infinite decks used? Normally a casino uses 6-8 decks to play blackjack. So the chance of getting the same card multiple times in a hand very limited. But when using unlimited decks it could be that we get the same card many times.

I guess you're referring to the Power blackjack game or the bet behind feature? Anyway, those unlimited seats just act as if there's only one player playing in that seat.

I don't think one dealer would be enough to handle a lot of people if unlimited seats do become a thing, just imagine one round could last like 10-20 mins depending on the number of people playing at the table.

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Sounds interesting, it's always great to see new casino coming up with main focus on blackjack. I am a fan of blackjack since high-school, when we were playing during math classes and looked at the possibility. With Blackjack I tend to be more profitable than with roulette or dice games. Card counting is usually not an option in online gambling because we don't see the decks and the shuffling. When you say there are unlimited seats and games offered, does it mean there are also infinite decks used? Normally a casino uses 6-8 decks to play blackjack. So the chance of getting the same card multiple times in a hand very limited. But when using unlimited decks it could be that we get the same card many times.

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Quote from: magneto on February 12, 2022, 11:18:10 PM

I think that card counting is probably not even on Evolution's minds at this point.

Their deck penetration is ridiculously low on all variants of their game, regardless of what you play. Some of the variants are essentially automatically shuffled continuously so there is absolutely no way you could keep track of the cards.

Plus, the rules that they offer are not particularly favourable to card counters.

In this case then how would the card counters look? I understand that to count cards you need to play with 1 deck, and never mix it, this when playing with more than 2 decks I think that the count is inactive or nothing is done, so in this case everything is left to the luck of the player I imagine, which makes a game that can perfectly have a strategy when counting, as if it were totally random, because the scenarios that can occur are very much in favor of the casino.
Well, card counters don't have it easy at all, because with one that is lost it is notorious that from then on everything goes wrong, even so playing with 1 deck the counter has many chances of losing count and therefore failing.

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Quote from: fiulpro on February 10, 2022, 11:46:48 AM

Then again card counting is not illegal I think it's just a fault in the whole system and people who get caught have to get out but removing some cards might be staggering for the odds, many casinos generally shuffle the things so many times that the players who count those cards are unable to do such things. But removing cards might be a bit too much tho, I had no idea about casinos removing those cards as well.

It's not illegal but it's not what the casinos want, and they could ban you from playing blackjack or even kick you out. And it is not a fault in the system or in the game. It's just a weakness, something which could be exploited by selected individuals. But card counting is not an easy thing to do. It's for the savants and the geniuses and the gifted ones. Especially nowadays where 8 decks are continuously shuffled throughout the game, it is a lot harder than ever.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on February 10, 2022, 08:59:27 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on July 24, 2021, 03:53:27 AM

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Quote from: Beparanf on July 23, 2021, 08:02:54 AM

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.

Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.

No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.

https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack

I think that card counting is probably not even on Evolution's minds at this point.

Their deck penetration is ridiculously low on all variants of their game, regardless of what you play. Some of the variants are essentially automatically shuffled continuously so there is absolutely no way you could keep track of the cards.

Plus, the rules that they offer are not particularly favourable to card counters.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on February 10, 2022, 08:59:27 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on July 24, 2021, 03:53:27 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on July 24, 2021, 03:15:10 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on July 23, 2021, 08:53:58 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on July 23, 2021, 08:02:54 AM

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.

Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.

No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.

https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack

Then again card counting is not illegal I think it's just a fault in the whole system and people who get caught have to get out but removing some cards might be staggering for the odds, many casinos generally shuffle the things so many times that the players who count those cards are unable to do such things. But removing cards might be a bit too much tho, I had no idea about casinos removing those cards as well.

Also counting cards is not as easy tho it takes ages to master and at the same time even after that it might cause banning from a lot of casinos but I think it might be a wise option to somehow find ways to hide that you might be counting cards in a physical casino. Plus I do think there might be a lot of other mathematical things that can actually find flaws in the blackjack as well.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 24, 2021, 03:53:27 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on July 24, 2021, 03:15:10 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on July 23, 2021, 08:53:58 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on July 23, 2021, 08:02:54 AM

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.

Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.

No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.

https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 29, 2021, 01:51:52 AM

Have you guys tried the Lightning Blackjack that was released recently?

What Casino this version available?

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Have you guys tried the Lightning Blackjack that was released recently?

At first, I thought it's similar to lightning roulette but it's riskier like a double-edged sword as you're required to double down due to the extra fees from the lightning multipliers.

Also, the lightning multiplier takes effect every other round which is a bit of a turn off though.

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Quote from: timerland on November 09, 2021, 10:43:31 PM

I don't see that necessarily as an advantage though?

Like you save a few seconds but at the end of the day, you still have to wait until everyone else to finish their hands before you can actually place your next bet.

The few seconds isn't worth the house edge increase imho.

Yup, at that point the second differential just becomes an added bonus but then again there are people who prefer a faster method of betting as others try to compare the betting speeds of certain gambling sites.

Anyway, I agree with what you said though Infinite blackjack feels like one of the underrated types of Blackjack on evolution. I also like that you can see what the others picked as they show the percentages below each option.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 08, 2021, 11:07:42 AM

Quote from: timerland on October 31, 2021, 06:07:52 PM

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Yeah, Speed blackjack main feature is you can hit first against other players that sit ahead of you. You don't need to wait for others decision to get your hit card and also the time allocated for each player to think is very minimal.

Honestly infinite blackjack is really faster than speed blackjack. I rarely play speed blackjack because of its unusual card rotation. I'd rather play on a in-house blackjack game like Blackjack.fun which BTW you can see on my signature rather than speed blackjack if I really want a fast phase game.

I don't see that necessarily as an advantage though?

Like you save a few seconds but at the end of the day, you still have to wait until everyone else to finish their hands before you can actually place your next bet.

The few seconds isn't worth the house edge increase imho.

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Quote from: timerland on October 31, 2021, 06:07:52 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on October 31, 2021, 06:36:23 AM

Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 07:35:22 PM

A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.

Yeah for sure.

The RTP is these instances of misplays would decrease as well because you'd need to play perfectly in order to get the 0.5% house edge outcome.

I'd agree that for Solo players infinite is better than speed blackjack because speed blackjack is honestly too slow to wait around for anyway.

Yeah, Speed blackjack main feature is you can hit first against other players that sit ahead of you. You don't need to wait for others decision to get your hit card and also the time allocated for each player to think is very minimal.

Honestly infinite blackjack is really faster than speed blackjack. I rarely play speed blackjack because of its unusual card rotation. I'd rather play on a in-house blackjack game like Blackjack.fun which BTW you can see on my signature rather than speed blackjack if I really want a fast phase game.

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Quote from: dimonstration on October 31, 2021, 06:36:23 AM

Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 07:35:22 PM

A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.

Yeah for sure.

The RTP is these instances of misplays would decrease as well because you'd need to play perfectly in order to get the 0.5% house edge outcome.

I'd agree that for Solo players infinite is better than speed blackjack because speed blackjack is honestly too slow to wait around for anyway.

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Quote from: timerland on October 30, 2021, 07:35:22 PM

A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.

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A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

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Quote from: Victorycoin on October 28, 2021, 10:21:40 PM

To start this kind of live blackjack gaming evolution, choose the right gambling setting you will not find such services in casinos, so you should pay attention to gambling portals live online casinos are much more realistic and interesting than standard roulette. But one of the real gaming tables is with a professional casino dealer at a regular casino the main advantage is the original and you can control the game and its actions these will make the games full of excitement.

Agreed. Ultimate gambling experience is certainly can get only on playing physically on a Casino but due to this Pandemic, Many casino decided to temporarily close or limit the number of customer that can enter. In our country, Only VIP members are allowed to play on the casino during the first wave of Pandemic last year. That time I discover this live casino and play my favorite game live while sitting on my couch.

Try to play while your device is connected to a quality speaker. It will makes you feel like playing inside the casino especially if the dealer is very entertaining just like what all the dealers of Evolution Gaming doing.

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To start this kind of live blackjack gaming evolution, choose the right gambling setting you will not find such services in casinos, so you should pay attention to gambling portals live online casinos are much more realistic and interesting than standard roulette. But one of the real gaming tables is with a professional casino dealer at a regular casino the main advantage is the original and you can control the game and its actions these will make the games full of excitement.

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Quote from: Beparanf on July 23, 2021, 08:02:54 AM

I play infinite blackjack before on sports bet, There might be a lot of bot players playing on that game playing at the same time with real player, There's always someone hitting @19 and 20 while the face up card of the banker is lower than 9. There's something shady on that part of evolution gaming game.

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

I certainly agree with this because I've tried playing it before and still ended up with nothing but, to be honest, I enjoyed it at first and then realized later on that there's a shady part on it. I didn't win even a single time. I guess that's already a lesson learned for me but I was just curious about it that time.

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