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Quote from: Coin_trader on September 09, 2022, 11:35:06 AM

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Even the casino has a "Surrender" feature.

People are not gonna use it, maybe only 2-5% of people who are using this feature, same with "Insurance". IMO, these 2 option do no need to be provided what we need only a side bet but some big casinos don't have this in land base.

The provided you're mention is quite rare, no body playing on there. That's why is not really popular, we're more often playing in Evolution.

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I just want to update this thread after I saw a live blackjack provider with surrender. I recently saw Ezugi game provider that offers live Blackjack game with surrender but sadly they only have this option on there VIP tables. I always play on Evolution gaming table only but no table offer a surrender option. The reason I brought this up is because the matrix on the OP works perfectly on blackjack with surrender because you will only lose half of your bet if you surrender rather than risk your bad card on losing all your bet.

Maybe some of you guys is playing on different game provider that offers surrender feature on normal blackjack table. I will try to do more research about this kind of table in different game provider to share it with you guys.

You can check the Ezugi blackjack table on this link: https://www.livebet.com/casino/live-casino/ezugi/vip-blackjack-with-surrender

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Quote from: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 05:45:33 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on July 24, 2022, 03:41:42 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 03:31:55 PM

Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature^{(except 15 and 16)} since this is considered as partly lose card already.

You are right but the table you have provided in your OP doesn't take into account the early surrender option, only the late one which doesn't allow to avoid dealer BJs. Do you have a relevant table for applying the basic strategy to live BJ providers offering this feature?
And do you remember when you use to play BJ at Pragmatic Play if Doubling down After Split was allowed or not by chance?

AFAIK but I’m not really sure since I’m more on using evolution gaming rather than pragmatic due to geo restrictions, Pragmatic use vegs rule on there Blackjack which means you can double down on any number on your 2 cards so there is a ghigh possibility that they allow double down after split because I play some blackjack like this before and I do manage to double down on split but I never try on pragmatic blackjack.

In regards with the table. That's the common matrix for blackjack and the rest that you mention about missing surrender feature on current blackjack games is already required case to case basis because it needs card counting to have an accurate decision making for that scenario.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 24, 2022, 03:41:42 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 03:31:55 PM

Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature^{(except 15 and 16)} since this is considered as partly lose card already.

You are right but the table you have provided in your OP doesn't take into account the early surrender option, only the late one which doesn't allow to avoid dealer BJs. Do you have a relevant table for applying the basic strategy to live BJ providers offering this feature?
And do you remember when you use to play BJ at Pragmatic Play if Doubling down After Split was allowed or not by chance?

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Quote from: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 03:31:55 PM

Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature^{(except 15 and 16)} since this is considered as partly lose card already.

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Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

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I play in one game for 7-8 hours and all the time I end them with some profit that helped me to buy a new house, car and maintain all my family. Some weeks ago I tried a new one http://www.thaibon.com/ after friends' advice and I liked it because here I win more than usual and this surprised me. Now my earnings increased 2 times and this makes me happy because in some months I will can to accomplish my dream to buy a sportive car Mercedes Benz C63S and it is really amazing.

This is my first time to hear a very positive outcome in playing gambling. I'm winning too but not same level as yours. It's too good to be true unless you have a method like counting cards and other tricks that guaranteed winnings. And lastly, Maybe you are the first person that I know that won that huge amount of money that might result to bankruptcy of the online casino that you are playing.

On the side note, I can't access the website that you provided. It's restricted to my country which is a bit odd because my country is very open on online casino.

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Quote from: shoreno on May 12, 2020, 12:02:40 AM

bj is a fast paced game so yeah its possible . the outcome can be win and loss so if your lucky you can win big and leave but if not then sorry . me iether i bet yolo or all in bets because if you bet small and you got lucky to hit a green , i feel that i just wasted that moment , i feel i just wasted that luck and if i tried again most of the times i just lost and lost . on other games like plinko , you can bet big and expect to last a little more longer . we play this game for fun or just to kill the time

That is the same reason why i limit my budget anytime i played BJ and Poker because they can be a fast winning or losing game and may bring us to Big losses like what the mentioned above.

i think BlackJack is one fun game but lets play with limitation and knowledge that this will end up badly if not treated carefully and seriously .

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Quote from: carlisle1 on May 11, 2020, 10:59:45 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 11, 2020, 09:40:24 PM

Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.

That’s huge amount 17.5k in just 10 minutes?i will never found myself dealing with that amount to risked and surely that is the right example of addiction mate.

There are big losses that come across before but not in that short period of time because what about if he can play for an hour?means he also can lose 87.5k and that can be a whole life budget of a simple person.

bj is a fast paced game so yeah its possible . the outcome can be win and loss so if your lucky you can win big and leave but if not then sorry . me iether i bet yolo or all in bets because if you bet small and you got lucky to hit a green , i feel that i just wasted that moment , i feel i just wasted that luck and if i tried again most of the times i just lost and lost . on other games like plinko , you can bet big and expect to last a little more longer . we play this game for fun or just to kill the time

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 11, 2020, 09:40:24 PM

Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.

That’s huge amount 17.5k in just 10 minutes?i will never found myself dealing with that amount to risked and surely that is the right example of addiction mate.

There are big losses that come across before but not in that short period of time because what about if he can play for an hour?means he also can lose 87.5k and that can be a whole life budget of a simple person.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on May 06, 2020, 12:03:27 AM

Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

Depends,,, all casinos ban card counting in real life and these days, it is impossible to card count when decks are shuffled so often, and especially at big casinos there is even software now to determine whether or not wins at tables are more than expected. Then they move to you and see if you are counting or not.

BTW online is impossible. Every hand shuffled with 8 decks or more. You simply cannot count this way.

You cannot count but the table can,thats how they cheat gamblers lol,i have known a dealer waybacknd doing the same

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Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 06:03:23 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 05:47:28 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price. FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. Grin

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master

Oh yeah that's insane. My eyesight was very poor since my eyeglass was broke by my dog yesterday. Anyway, I'm not familiar blackjack software provider on sportsbet.io. Is there a way that can verify that each game was probably fair. I will try this one tomorrow with 0.01BTC deposit. I will post my bet result tomorrow here no matter what the result. Thanks again gor sharing.

To others, please share any blackjack promotion on different casino so that other BJ player out there might join and win the prize. Cheesy

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 06:03:23 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 05:47:28 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price. FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. Grin

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master

Hitting 8 streak win in a row is not easy but the reward worth giving it a shot, the only downside is the one rule which doesn't count the push bet as a winning bet. One single push will make it to start over again and it can take forever to reach the end of the chain.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get 8 straight wins a single row or in the one game session. Some gambling platforms have a nice promotion regarding the lossback or cashback money return promos but there is no such thing on the mentioned blackjack platform.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 05:47:28 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price. FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. Grin

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price. FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. Grin

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on May 06, 2020, 12:03:27 AM

Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

Depends,,, all casinos ban card counting in real life and these days, it is impossible to card count when decks are shuffled so often, and especially at big casinos there is even software now to determine whether or not wins at tables are more than expected. Then they move to you and see if you are counting or not.

BTW online is impossible. Every hand shuffled with 8 decks or more. You simply cannot count this way.

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Its a punishment already to keep you waiting for hours for the seat to be available and then you end up losing because of the bad cards of that seat's fate. But while you're sitting already, you might just bet a few dollars to find out how bad the cards and your luck.

Quote from: Bttzed03 on May 06, 2020, 12:03:27 AM

One of the many card games that I find it tough to win Grin

I respect guys who can sit for hours and end with a profit. This really require tons of concentration if you plan to win.

Quote from: Coin_trader on February 16, 2020, 11:32:39 PM

~ It will be very hard to count unless you have a friend who can help you count it.

Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

And you'll also find out how fair the casino if there is no extra As.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

So, even if you are the "most skilled blackjack player in the history of mankind" Dont think you can manage 8 wins in a row with jsut skill. It will have to be a ton of luck in your favor. I barely see 5 win streaks, so..yeah 8 is gonna be really hard.

Yeah, that is why I decided not to join because of the number of streaks.

And worse, a push is enough for the streak to end and you will have to start all over again. I don't quite agree with that. It makes everything
a lot harder. Another thing is that a win from split does not add to your streak.

But other Blackjack fans here might find the terms fair enough and join.

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One of the many card games that I find it tough to win Grin

I respect guys who can sit for hours and end with a profit. This really require tons of concentration if you plan to win.

Quote from: Coin_trader on February 16, 2020, 11:32:39 PM

~ It will be very hard to count unless you have a friend who can help you count it.

Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2020, 11:16:57 PM

Quote from: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 10:40:53 PM

For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning. Wink

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Blackjack is just luck and for entertainment at this point. Cant Objectively look at it to make money out of it. Blackjack and slots are devised to bring revenues to the casino as the odds are always in their favor. So, even if you are the "most skilled blackjack player in the history of mankind" Dont think you can manage 8 wins in a row with jsut skill. It will have to be a ton of luck in your favor. I barely see 5 win streaks, so..yeah 8 is gonna be really hard.

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