Topic: Blackrock invest in ukraine - page 2. (Read 601 times)

We, I see, have different sources of information. I trust the news of my government in Ukraine, but you proceed mainly from what is presented in the official Russian news. The Ukrainian military is now showing how they are slowly but surely advancing on the southern front, in the direction of Melitopol and Berdyansk. In the Melitopol direction, on August 22, Ukrainian troops recaptured the village of Rabotino, on August 27, there were also reports of a strong advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Robotino in the direction of Novoprokopka and Verbovoye. The loss of Rabotino for the Russian occupation forces threatens the exit of the Ukrainian defense forces along the 0408 highway to break through the second line of defense.
It is in the Rabotino area that the defense of the Russians in the Zaporozhye region begins to crack the most, despite the fact that in this region there are about 100 thousand Russian soldiers, which is 3 times more than the advancing Ukrainian forces.
Source: https://politeka.net/news/412990-mozhet-porvatsya-eshche-v-odnom-meste-situaciya-na-zaporozhe-rezko-izmenilas-v-polzu-vsu

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have significantly succeeded in counter-battery combat and every day they destroy 20-30 enemy artillery systems, its RZSZ, air defense and other military equipment. Yes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving slowly, during the period of the counteroffensive since June 6, only about 200 square kilometers of territory have been liberated. But the enemy's equipment is being knocked out at a fast pace, and without it, additional waves of mobilization will not have the desired effect.

At the same time, what progress has Russia made on the Ukrainian front over the past year? Captured Bakhmut at the cost of 50 thousand lives only "Wagnerites", not counting the losses of the regular army? So now Bakhmut is practically surrounded by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and it’s even a problem for the Russians to get out of him, because he is completely under fire control from the high-altitude hills around him.

The events of the autumn months at the front will show which propaganda - Russian or Ukrainian - is more truthful.

Thank you for actually dropping a link for reference, which is something OP should have done when making a claim like he did.  Not everyone reads the same news, and some idiots like me don't read or watch any news whatsoever and are shivering in a dark corner waiting for the end to come.

If Blackrock did start investing in Ukrainian 'stuff' then it makes me think they know something the general public doesn't.  Then again, might they not have also invested in Russian 'stuff' as well and perhaps kept it out of the news?  I mean Jesus, they're the major shareholder in pretty much everything right now.

Agreed, and I'm actually surprised the war has lasted this long; I thought for sure that Russia would take Ukraine in the snap of a finger (note: that's not what I ever hoped for, but based on size alone and also my ignorance of military affairs it's an assumption I made).  No doubt Ukraine has gotten a lot of help coming in through the back door, but they've availed themselves with honor in the face of a very powerful enemy.  I never understood the politics behind the war, and I've got nothing against either the people of Russia or Ukraine; Putin's responsible for this, and in the back of my mind is always the knowledge that his military has nuclear capability.  What he was thinking I couldn't tell ya, and I'm not sure most people could either.

Going way, waaay off topic for a second here, but I got these stamps as a gift and I love 'em:



Their issuance might have been a bit premature, but goddamn....can you get any bolder than that?  Does anyone know if these are still in circulation in Ukraine, i.e., being used as postage?

You mean that because of the plan to make Blackrock invest in Ukraine, the war will stop because of this step? It's not that easy to just say that. Only time will tell if this amount of investment by Blackrock will stop the war in Ukraine. Although Blackrock's decision to invest in Ukraine is a demonstration that it trusts and is confident in this country that they will benefit from it in the future, they will do it. This is the only thing I see at the moment.

Its typical to invest in a situation like this, not a pretty phrase buy when blood is on the streets is well known.   I dont believe Ukraine does respond well after the war even if it can be ended and peace achieved, its still a negative. Obviously damage must be cleared, repaired, people are dead and the country is damaged so dont tell me this is the ideal investment scenario.   However when we include prospects vs price the fear peaks and the whole cycle of investment then sure, years after the initial point of entry being close to any decline in the war is likely closely timed but theres no positive to war.
  Nobody wins wars imo, certainly not the common people and destruction is not profitable all we can say it clears the oppression that might have existed otherwise and people do not want to waste the sacrifice of those who died.

I don't see any scenario where Putin could be overthrown. Russia can't lose this war. I'm being pretty objective: Russia has more people, bigger army, great military industry and last but not least: a shitload of nukes. Worst scenario for Russia would be freezing the war right now. Ukraine has already showed they're unable to attack further, their "counter-offensive" has failed miserably. Western allies are getting ready for negotiations, probably going to hand Crimea and Donetsk/Luhansk region to the Russians.


Muahaha... you should ease on that Ukrainian propaganda!    I wonder what your sources are? And one more thing: I doubt it that most people who live in Crimea and Donbas want to be liberated by Ukraine. 

Blackrock is a global investment corporation. And all of its projects are long-term, with calculated risk levels. Yes, you partially correctly pointed out what they will invest in Ukraine, after the terrorist country attacks Ukraine, and after the terrorist country loses.
I didn't just say the last words - losing to a terrorist country. The fact is that infrastructure projects, where Blackrock will enter with their money, require many years (10+) to build it all up, start working and make a profit to return to investors. This means that Blackrock assumes that Russia will be lowered to a level where it will not be able to pose a threat to Ukraine or anyone else for the next 20-30 years. Otherwise - almost 100% high risk of losing many tens of billions of Blackrock's investment!
And here the bet on "high-risk investments" will not work, where there is a chance to return your investment with "x10" profit in a short time.  This is exclusively long-term investments

Honestly you could also do it yourself as well if I am not wrong. Depending on the laws of course, I do not think that there should be anything that blocks you from buying a land there, or a building, and just make a profit. We are not as rich as Blackrock of course, hell Ukraine is not as rich as Blackrock, the whole nation, wasn't richer even before the war.

So, I think it should be important to remember that Blackrock will not do anything you can't do, they will just do what you can do but with a lot more money. And to be fair there is so much money to be made there, if Russia war ends, there will be a lot of devastated places, you could buy them, clean up the rubbles, build a big building, and just make a profit.

It seems that you are very far from understanding what happened and is happening in Ukraine about this war. Putin still comes up with absurd ideas about why he attacked Ukraine. But the fact remains: he wanted to destroy Ukraine and annex its territory to Russia, seize its fertile lands, well-developed industry, and most importantly, the history of Ukraine, which dates back to the time of the powerful state of Kievan Rus of the 9th century, without which today's Russia is nothing with its true history of several centuries.
Therefore, Putin began to invade Ukraine gradually, since 2014, seizing the then Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Just because the world community did not properly respond to Russian aggression in 2014, Putin went further and in February 2022 sent eight of his armies to Ukraine from the north, east and south of this country. The Ukrainians were able to give a good rebuff to the invaders, and therefore the United States and other states began to provide all kinds of assistance to Ukraine in protecting its independence and territorial integrity.

In preparing to attack Ukraine, Putin poured billions of dollars into pro-Russian officials in Ukraine, and they assured him that Ukrainians would greet the Russians with flowers as their liberators. This is where Putin miscalculated when he attacked Ukraine. And when, after two months of the invasion, the Russians began to flee from the center and north of Ukraine, leaving their armored vehicles there in order not to be completely defeated, it was too late for Putin to retreat. The people of Russia would not have forgiven him for this, and he would have been overthrown. By continuing the war, Putin is simply delaying the collapse of his power.

Now for the third month now, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been attacking the Russians along the entire front, stretching over a thousand kilometers. The difficulty lies in the fact that the Russians have mined large areas, where for every meter there are six anti-personnel and one anti-tank mines. In addition, the Russians still have a huge advantage in aircraft and helicopters, and it is very difficult to attack at the same time. But by now, the mined area has practically been passed, the southern front of the Russians is bursting at the seams in many places, and the last reserves have been thrown into battle by the Russians. If the front is broken and the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south reach the Sea of Azov (which is less than a hundred kilometers), it will become obvious that Russia has lost this war. Then the entire pro-island of Crimea will be under the fire control of the Ukrainians and the Russians will be trapped there.

The Ukrainian people are grateful to the United States, England and other countries that have provided and continue to provide Ukraine with all kinds of assistance and defend their independence. That Blackrock and others like it intend to invest in post-war Ukraine is a testament to their belief in Ukraine's victory.

Okay, but BlackRock is already the major market player and they buy almost everything. According to what I read they are making the most profit when there's war or economic problems cause it will be easy for them to sell at a high price something they buy/invest cheap.
If the is war they will make a profit but not like when there's no war.

Yes, and the fight was hard to reach a conclusion because our leaders are using the life and property of humans to play a political game.

Blackrock is an investment business and as part of that they will take certain "bets" that the situation will at some point in the future stabilize, with the money they're putting into assets now becoming less risky and being possible to ultimately sell for more in future. This is good for Ukraine and bad for Russia, because if they thought Ukraine was losing then they would avoid adding any new money in. Ultimately the war has destroyed the illusion that Russia is a credible military power and dismantled the 20 years worth of shadow games that Putin was able to play quite well. However, much like egomaniacs and psychopaths, they fool into the trap of their own messaging.

No offense - but... it looks like you are just writing from a fool's paradise
And to prove it is simple - answer one, extremely simple, and easily verifiable question : When did the USA invite Ukraine to NATO ? Provided that Russia attacked Ukraine, at that neither about NATO nor about something else reasons were not voiced. And it was stated, the initial pretext, though quite idiotic, and exactly for the "paradise of fools - "protection of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine"
So the question - when did the USA invite/offer Ukraine to join NATO ? And let's check who is where

there is optimistic war is going over when the big company invest in conflict country. Because the big company like blackrock know that economic future and they won't lost the money he was invest. maybe is not currency only, but another instrument like stock, debenture, or another product value will going rise immediatelly. Maybe if I have chance and have unspend money I want going to invest also after post war.

Most of all these multinational companies have their support base. Some of them that have an interest in Ukraine will either be pro-Nato or pro-Russia. But from the look of things BlackRock is aligned with the US and Nato. So we can assume that they are investing with the intention that Ukraine will become victorious. But we cannot underestimate the greed and influence of these companies. Most of them can be supporting the two warring groups to benefit regardless of the outcome of the war like the Rothschild sponsored both sides in the battle of Waterloo.

I said they will make even more profit once the war ends... buy deeps! It's still deep, so take as much as you can... and Blackrock has deep pockets.


Well, after all this fighting it will be hard to reach any conclusions.

You said it yourself that what is important to the BlackRock organization and their shareholders is profit and the lives of the people don't matter to them which I believe already fish out the reason why they invested in Ukraine since they know the Russian government will never withdraw from the invasion. If they are going to make more profit once the war ends why this they choose to invest in Ukraine instead of doing something that will end the conflict.

I don't expect it either since both sides were unable to reach a conclusion at the early stage of the invasion before now.

I don't think the risk of such investment is as high as you'd think. At the end of the day there are still cities and people and there are infrastructures they need. It doesn't matter who rules over those cities and people, they will still need the money to rebuild! Even if it is Russia that in the end takes control of those cities, they'll need foreign investors to rebuild anything they'd destroyed, which is where jackals like BlackRock come in to fill their own pockets.

The problem of wars all over the different parts of the world instituted  from when the formation of world powers emerged and the means to keep their present state of affairs unhindered will only lead to war after another war which may or may not indirectly involved their flags but their interest will unveil their involvement anyway.

The victims of a truth are the regular people because they don't know what's going on behind the scene but are convinced by what the different state media choose to deliver to their mind. If I were to have a say I will choose to stay neutral about this nonsense called war for the sake of widespread peace because it is the taking of sides that still makes the war linger.

In the beginning or the end, it's all about the money...more money, more weapons, more threats. Who cares about lives? We are just numbers... and we are not important. What's important is the profit for Blackrock and shareholders. I hope you feel the irony here. We had a topic here "Who is making a profit during wartime", I guess Blackrock is one of the answers. They will make even more profit once the war ends... so much about ethics and morality.

There is talk about peace, but much more attention is drawn to all those weapons that come from all over the world. With all the weapons around, I am also afraid that there will be no peace soon.
 

Right now Ukraine is desperate to recover all the damages Russia has caused to the country and will gladly accept any offer, even if it's rip-offs thinly veiled as magnanimous offers presented by vultures like BlackRock and the EU, each looking to take from where the Russians left.
The only good thing this alliance could bring is a massive influx of investors but then again, nothing goes for nothing because BlackRock FMA is notorious for it's ability to dissuade a country's attempt at regulations.
 Well, I may not know the main reason behind Putin's attack if Ukraine, but if it was to avoid the West from gaining entrance into their borders, he's sorely failing at it.

The risk of Ukraine "losing" the war is next to nothing which is why private companies are investing funds into the country to the tune of billions of dollars. Blackrock aren't the only ones. The end of the war, while it may take years, looks like it'll be a peace deal brokered by NATO where Ukraine makes certain concessions of territory to Russia. The chance of Russia being able to overtake the entirety of Ukraine and house enough troops across the region to retain power is unlikely.