Blew up 2 mining rigs with riser cables - page 2.

httpcore

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Quote from: Test User on January 28, 2014, 06:32:52 PM

I've been running a few mining rigs, which are basically just motherboards crammed with cards.

Due to heat problems, I've been looking to get some risers - and they finally arrived. I got 100 cm flexible USB cable risers, with SATA power. They look impressive 3 filter caps and a VRM on the riser board.

Anyway, the first thing I found was that no cards would be detected on the risers until I set the mobo BIOS to PCI-e v1.0.

So far, so good. So, one at a time, I transferred cards from mobo onto riser cables, and after a few false starts, I had 2 cards running on risers, and 1 on the mobo.

That's when I start to get adventurous, and connect a 4th card to a 1x PCI-e slot, and power it via a 2nd PSU. All the connections are double checked. The riser is in the slot the correct way round, etc.

Link the PSUs with a dual PSU adaptor, and power up.

*Sizzle* *Pop* *Crackle* Cue sparks and smoke rising from the 1x PCI-e slot. The mobo is totally dead.

I recheck all the connections, and they are definitely correct.

Thinking I made a mistake, I decide to have another go.
This time, I connect directly a 1x PCI-e slot with a 4th card, after triple checking everything.

*Sizzle* *Crackle* Sparks. Another motherboard now dead.

I don't get it. I've built dozens of PCs in the past, and built a heap of mining rigs, albeit without risers. I've done dual PSU before.

What could have happened? What was cause sparks and sizzling and burn out a mobo. I've looked at the PCI-e riser design, and the power pins are not connected on the riser, so I don't see how a power surge or something could have come from the 2nd PSU back feeding the PCI-e slot.

Any ideas? Could it be a bad riser card? I've run a multimeter over it, and there don't appear to be any shorts or anything. I'm completely baffled.

Where did you get the risers? Do you have an image of the burnt 1x PCI-E slot? If not, where did the crackle/spark happen?

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Quote from: pontiacg5 on January 29, 2014, 03:13:25 PM

Yes, they are completely custom. I waterjet cut them and bent them up myself. I was planning on selling them at one point, but now I'm thinking the margins aren't worth fighting for. I'll just keep mining Grin

lucky you are! Grin

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Yes, they are completely custom. I waterjet cut them and bent them up myself. I was planning on selling them at one point, but now I'm thinking the margins aren't worth fighting for. I'll just keep mining Grin

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Quote from: pontiacg5 on January 29, 2014, 02:36:07 PM

I have no idea what you've done, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with powering riser cables off any power supply. I've over 30 7950 or better GPUs in use right now, and half of my rigs split the riser's power source between two or more power supplies.

The noob above me has no business posting. The USB riser cable length has nothing to do with this. USB risers are nothing but powered by design, and no voltage other than data is transferred over the 100cm cable. 12V is provided externally, and 3.3V is generated on that PCB. NO voltage at all comes from the motherboard. They will not work at all unless you power them, due to the 3.3V.

Running three gpus directly on a motherboard is a really dumb way to mine. Not only will the heat kill most of the cards in no time, the extra heat will draw more power and limit your under volt headroom. Fans burn out fast at 100% speed and 80c temps, and I speak from first hand experience. Look through my photobucket if you doubt me.

Off topic, but are your alluminium case custom ones? If not where did you get them, I'd like to buy a bunch of them

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I have no idea what you've done, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with powering riser cables off any power supply. I've over 30 7950 or better GPUs in use right now, and half of my rigs split the riser's power source between two or more power supplies.

The noob above me has no business posting. The USB riser cable length has nothing to do with this. USB risers are nothing but powered by design, and no voltage other than data is transferred over the 100cm cable. 12V is provided externally, and 3.3V is generated on that PCB. NO voltage at all comes from the motherboard. They will not work at all unless you power them, due to the 3.3V.

Running three gpus directly on a motherboard is a really dumb way to mine. Not only will the heat kill most of the cards in no time, the extra heat will draw more power and limit your under volt headroom. Fans burn out fast at 100% speed and 80c temps, and I speak from first hand experience. Look through my photobucket if you doubt me.

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You had too much draw on your board. Do you really have 100cm(3 feet) long risers?

If they are actually that long, your GPUs would pull too hard and that's why you had a burnout.

The only way you could hope to make that work on more than 3 cards would be to undervolt your cards before putting them on risers. If you have them on the stock voltage and software, the card will pull whatever it needs(remember that the power on will momentarily pull max power through every port for POST). If you're on a 100cm riser, you're pulling WAY more than a 1x slot can put out when it's already probably struggling to feed the cards on the 16 pin connectors.

It's a hard lesson but smart people only have to learn it once.

You'll probably have to replace that board but when you do, stick with 3 cards max unless you get shorter powered risers.

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Thats backwards man, because the card without powered riser would be pulling a little from the MB which is connected to PSU 1. Therefore, you would be mixing PSU 1 and PSU 2, if you don't use a powered riser seprately.

Don't confuse people on here.

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Quote from: tootapple on January 28, 2014, 11:47:25 PM

Quote from: Burninj on January 28, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

all powered risered card have to be connected to main psu

is that true? I thought you could power the riser with the secondary psu as long as you also power the card with the secondary psu. You can't mix.

yeah you can't mix, no powered riser on second psu.

Powered risered cards on psu 1, non powered risered cards on psu 2

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Quote from: Burninj on January 28, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

all powered risered card have to be connected to main psu

is that true? I thought you could power the riser with the secondary psu as long as you also power the card with the secondary psu. You can't mix.

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Quote from: Test User on January 28, 2014, 06:32:52 PM

I've been running a few mining rigs, which are basically just motherboards crammed with cards.

Due to heat problems, I've been looking to get some risers - and they finally arrived. I got 100 cm flexible USB cable risers, with SATA power. They look impressive 3 filter caps and a VRM on the riser board.

Anyway, the first thing I found was that no cards would be detected on the risers until I set the mobo BIOS to PCI-e v1.0.

So far, so good. So, one at a time, I transferred cards from mobo onto riser cables, and after a few false starts, I had 2 cards running on risers, and 1 on the mobo.

That's when I start to get adventurous, and connect a 4th card to a 1x PCI-e slot, and power it via a 2nd PSU. All the connections are double checked. The riser is in the slot the correct way round, etc.

Link the PSUs with a dual PSU adaptor, and power up.

*Sizzle* *Pop* *Crackle* Cue sparks and smoke rising from the 1x PCI-e slot. The mobo is totally dead.

I recheck all the connections, and they are definitely correct.

Thinking I made a mistake, I decide to have another go.
This time, I connect directly a 1x PCI-e slot with a 4th card, after triple checking everything.

*Sizzle* *Crackle* Sparks. Another motherboard now dead.

I don't get it. I've built dozens of PCs in the past, and built a heap of mining rigs, albeit without risers. I've done dual PSU before.

What could have happened? What was cause sparks and sizzling and burn out a mobo. I've looked at the PCI-e riser design, and the power pins are not connected on the riser, so I don't see how a power surge or something could have come from the 2nd PSU back feeding the PCI-e slot.

Any ideas? Could it be a bad riser card? I've run a multimeter over it, and there don't appear to be any shorts or anything. I'm completely baffled.

That is exactly why I only run 3 cards per setup. One psu for the whole thing, no linking a bunch of psu's together, NO POWERED RISERS, 0 problems. These 3 card rigs pay for themselves very easy and you don't have to put up with all the horseshit. I would not have a powered riser anywhere in my house. You don't need them if you don't put 500 gpu's on a 100.00 mobo. Get a good Asus mobo, get one 1050 Seasonic Gold PSU, and 3 280x or 290's or 7950 cards and you will have none of the fireworks, remember, powered risers are not needed at all.

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all powered risered card have to be connected to main psu

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I've been running a few mining rigs, which are basically just motherboards crammed with cards.

Due to heat problems, I've been looking to get some risers - and they finally arrived. I got 100 cm flexible USB cable risers, with SATA power. They look impressive 3 filter caps and a VRM on the riser board.

Anyway, the first thing I found was that no cards would be detected on the risers until I set the mobo BIOS to PCI-e v1.0.

So far, so good. So, one at a time, I transferred cards from mobo onto riser cables, and after a few false starts, I had 2 cards running on risers, and 1 on the mobo.

That's when I start to get adventurous, and connect a 4th card to a 1x PCI-e slot, and power it via a 2nd PSU. All the connections are double checked. The riser is in the slot the correct way round, etc.

Link the PSUs with a dual PSU adaptor, and power up.

*Sizzle* *Pop* *Crackle* Cue sparks and smoke rising from the 1x PCI-e slot. The mobo is totally dead.

I recheck all the connections, and they are definitely correct.

Thinking I made a mistake, I decide to have another go.
This time, I connect directly a 1x PCI-e slot with a 4th card, after triple checking everything.

*Sizzle* *Crackle* Sparks. Another motherboard now dead.

I don't get it. I've built dozens of PCs in the past, and built a heap of mining rigs, albeit without risers. I've done dual PSU before.

What could have happened? What was cause sparks and sizzling and burn out a mobo. I've looked at the PCI-e riser design, and the power pins are not connected on the riser, so I don't see how a power surge or something could have come from the 2nd PSU back feeding the PCI-e slot.

Any ideas? Could it be a bad riser card? I've run a multimeter over it, and there don't appear to be any shorts or anything. I'm completely baffled.

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