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Topic: Block size max cap should be raised to 2mb with block halving in July 2016 -Y/N? - page 2. (Read 1965 times)

sr. member
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i said it months ago that segwit was not the capacity increase solution. and Lauda shilled for blockstream hard defending segwit..
i said it was just a bait and switch campaign. and guess what. here is lauda moving from the bait... to the switch.. now he is 100% fll retarding LN to distract people away from 2mb increase.

seriously just add the 2mb into aprils release with a 6-9month grace period and stop this endless delay tactic that has been going on since last year


Obviously SegWit is kicking the can down the road the same way as 2 MB increase. Both are just temporary solutions to the onchain capacity limits which Bitcoin will be facing whenever it gets adopted more. The problem 2MB cannot be added in April code is there is going to be probably other changes which require hard fork, at least that seems to be the plan. And Im not sure 6-9 months grace period is realistical with Core, because of different opinions and vested interests (always follow money) between so many Core developers.

BTW, I have feeling lauda has you on ignore list. Didnt saw a reply to your post from him for a while  Wink
legendary
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i said it months ago that segwit was not the capacity increase solution. and Lauda shilled for blockstream hard defending segwit..
i said it was just a bait and switch campaign. and guess what. here is lauda moving from the bait... to the switch.. now he is 100% fll retarding LN to distract people away from 2mb increase.

seriously just add the 2mb into aprils release with a 6-9month grace period and stop this endless delay tactic that has been going on since last year
legendary
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Terminated.
no, only you see no-sense everywhere, how you can be sure that it will only postpone it and not resolve it, only because segwit was temporary?
This is because some analyze and do research while other post because of other reasons. Even if we had a 2 MB block size limit/Segwit, what happened yesterday would have still happened (ergo not a solution) and caused the same/similar effect.

we can find another better solution if enough time is given
Delaying the problem != solution to the problem. The LN is the only known 'solution' so far.

also go read about the possible issue for the possible hashrate dropping caused by the miners, block will be more full, as result of the average increase of the block time
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14073880
Straw man.

I say no!
Segwit first, then HF later.
The correct answer.
People need to understand that neither one of two will solve this problem (if someone attacks the network in a similar fashion again).


Update: Welcome back to the ignore list.
legendary
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it buy us enough time to find another solution, which is maybe better than blockstream and the sidechain thing, like we have found the segwit solution
so no, it can solve the problem
You don't know the definition of 'solving' in technology. What this is doing is postponing the problem (for a very short time period), ergo not a solution. Don't post further nonsense.

no, only you see no-sense everywhere, how you can be sure that it will only postpone it and not resolve it, only because segwit was temporary?

we can find another better solution if enough time is given

also go read about the possible issue for the possible hashrate dropping caused by the miners, block will be more full, as result of the average increase of the block time

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14073880
legendary
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So lets imagine a hypothetical scenario where I wanted to vote. I copy and paste one of the statements, and sign the message to get this:

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I believe that block size max cap should be raised to 2mb with block halving in July 2016
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: MultiBit HD (0.2.0)
Comment: https://multibit.org
Address:


-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

When I then paste that in the site, why would I get:

"Invalid signature! Please use bitcoin software to sign the message."

legendary
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Keep in mind the it will take a while to activate Segwit (depends on the miners). Even if it gets implemented early April, it will take additional time until it gets activated.

then put the 2mb code in aprils version too. that way they get activated together
sr. member
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I say no!
Segwit first, then HF later.
The correct answer.

Jesus loves me, this I know. Because the bible tells me so.

 Smiley
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legendary
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Terminated.
it buy us enough time to find another solution, which is maybe better than blockstream and the sidechain thing, like we have found the segwit solution
so no, it can solve the problem
You don't know the definition of 'solving' in technology. What this is doing is postponing the problem (for a very short time period), ergo not a solution. Don't post further nonsense.

it's total overshill - is anyone taking all these ( how many now ? ) full blox!!! FUD threads seriously ?
The campaign seems very well funded.

Though I'm unsure how far and how fast SegWit can change the problems.
Segwit is necessary for things such as LN. Segwit can only add somewhat more capacity and is not the solution to this "problem". Actually there is no way to directly (on-chain) solve this "problem" without sacrificing decentralization.

Im no techie expert but using my limited knowledge & what I've researched I like the sound of SegWit being implemented in approx April 2016 & then push out the hardfork summer 2017. I think this is the best way to go.
Keep in mind the it will take a while to activate Segwit (depends on the miners). Even if it gets implemented early April, it will take additional time until it gets activated.
legendary
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Is there no link anymore to see the results without voting?

I think it would have to be decided then. But preparations could be done anyway just in case of emergency.

Personally I would want to wait for segwit since there is a broad acceptance for it and I learned it is a good thing. Though I'm unsure how far and how fast SegWit can change the problems.

Surely, when bitcoin became unuseable at that time then a hard fork with winning is inevitable because users would be so pissed that a change would be enforced.
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it's like whole threads full of 2MB zombies have shuffled over from r/btc to here lately

a Bitcoin/George Romero movie mashup...

it's total overshill - is anyone taking all these ( how many now ? ) full blox!!! FUD threads seriously ?



hero member
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Im no techie expert but using my limited knowledge & what I've researched I like the sound of SegWit being implemented in approx April 2016 & then push out the hardfork summer 2017. I think this is the best way to go.
I agree. I don't really know about the block sizes, but this seems like the logical way to solve this problem.
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I say no!
Segwit first, then HF later.

Nothing personal, but it seems to me like comming right from trained monkey.

If Segwit comes in April, then HF can come few months later which July is. I dont see any contradiction in this.
legendary
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I say no!
Segwit first, then HF later.
legendary
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Im no techie expert but using my limited knowledge & what I've researched I like the sound of SegWit being implemented in approx April 2016 & then push out the hardfork summer 2017. I think this is the best way to go.
legendary
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Yes.

Otherwise growth in Bitcoin is essentially capped and will move to other currencies. Speculators will also move on and the price will dip temporarily. This could possibly cause some spiraling issues... lower growth, lower price, higher fees, halved block reward. Bitcoin could lose their first mover and networking effect advantages in that type of situation.
A 2 MB block size limit does not solve anything. Please don't post nonsense.


it buy us enough time to find another solution, which is maybe better than blockstream and the sidechain thing, like we have found the segwit solution

so no, it can solve the problem

Yes.

Otherwise growth in Bitcoin is essentially capped and will move to other currencies. Speculators will also move on and the price will dip temporarily. This could possibly cause some spiraling issues... lower growth, lower price, higher fees, halved block reward. Bitcoin could lose their first mover and networking effect advantages in that type of situation.

and what is the problem to have many healthy with value blockchain systems? Why you think that one coin will rule them all in this new fintech era?

Nothing per say, but it lowers the value of BTC itself (or limits its potential value due to reduced velocity).

not to mention many of those crapcoin, are pure scam with huge premine, i can't see anything good in having many coins, which dilute the market
legendary
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My gut feeling is, this halving is going to be the breakout point... We will see a significant increase in the price, hence more interest from more people and then the tx's will increase. In my opinion this

block size increase should be before this time, to iron out any problems before the halving. We do not want to have a bottleneck, if this breaks out. I think we have delayed this for much too long now,

and Segwit can go out with this.  Roll Eyes
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Yes.

Otherwise growth in Bitcoin is essentially capped and will move to other currencies. Speculators will also move on and the price will dip temporarily. This could possibly cause some spiraling issues... lower growth, lower price, higher fees, halved block reward. Bitcoin could lose their first mover and networking effect advantages in that type of situation.

and what is the problem to have many healthy with value blockchain systems? Why you think that one coin will rule them all in this new fintech era?

Nothing per say, but it lowers the value of BTC itself (or limits its potential value due to reduced velocity).
legendary
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Yes.

Otherwise growth in Bitcoin is essentially capped and will move to other currencies. Speculators will also move on and the price will dip temporarily. This could possibly cause some spiraling issues... lower growth, lower price, higher fees, halved block reward. Bitcoin could lose their first mover and networking effect advantages in that type of situation.

and what is the problem to have many healthy with value blockchain systems? Why you think that one coin will rule them all in this new fintech era?
legendary
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Yes.

Otherwise growth in Bitcoin is essentially capped and will move to other currencies. Speculators will also move on and the price will dip temporarily. This could possibly cause some spiraling issues... lower growth, lower price, higher fees, halved block reward. Bitcoin could lose their first mover and networking effect advantages in that type of situation.

Nothing can be done and nothing will be done, we will see the following scenario happening, plan accordingly:

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF BITCOIN BLOCKS ARE AT FULL CAPACITY?

If the blocks reach full capacity before there is a functioning transaction
fee market in place, Bitcoin investors will likely see the price drop and may
experience difficulty withdrawing their coins from an exchange. Elsewhere
in the Bitcoin economy, problems could be much graver: casinos that literally
stop functioning, coin mixers screeching to a halt, and coin faucets that
run dry.

Faced with these difficulties, entrepreneurs running these services would
likely set up working alternatives by moving away from the Bitcoin blockchain.
This in turn would make the average block size drop significantly,
thus clearing up space for normal transaction confirmation times in the
network
.

The process of gambling and laundering services moving away from the
Bitcoin blockchain could cause a series of rallies in the altcoins (of which
we may already be seeing the start). Shared Coin, for example, includes any
fees within their transactions so that users can get quick access to their
laundered coins. If the block size limit is reached, transaction times will be
slower, and these users may switch from Bitcoin to altcoins.

It’s likely that for gambling and mixing, the most liquid altcoins will be
those highest in demand: Litecoin, actively traded in at least 17 markets,
and Dogecoin, actively traded in at least 7 markets.3 Privacy-oriented coins
such as Dash and Monero could see significant rallies. The short history of
altcoins suggests that when the most liquid coins rally, the rest are lifted
with the tide, resulting in short-lived but strong rallies.

http://adamantresearch.com/reports/sizing_up_the_blocksize_debate.pdf
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