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Quote from: philipma1957 on July 08, 2015, 11:22:56 PM

Quote from: mrhelpful on May 11, 2015, 08:15:32 PM

I`m worried less on the halfing but more on the whole part with what im about to say.

"Bitcoin Core has no code in it to handle a permanent and growing transaction backlog. "

what happens when transactions are super slow as fuk, hence a ultimate incident way back when.

transaction fees will rise and block size will expand . no other solution works.

transaction fees are the only way to kill off spam transactions.

The fees are indeed super cheap at the moment. Throw 1$ in fees for your transaction and it will confirm quickly.

I'm not so familiar with all the technicality of expending the block size and not so sure about why it is so controversial.

Pushing the upper limit of the block to 8mb doesn't mean each block will use it all.

As for the price rise, BTC's first price was based of the cost of mining one BTC with CPU back in the time. Since bitcoin now can easily be acquired by other means then mining it, this is hard to tell for sure how much influence it will have on the price.(The halving) As someone said before. Offer and demands normally rules the price but in this case, since all the miners introduce fresh money, I think it will push it up.

Let's see how the LTC react until his halving. For now, the price is just insanely going up. Pretty sure a massive sellout will come around the corner. I'm no specialist at all in economics, so this is only my 2 cents but the price has to go down and correct himself for sure ... But who knows ! The price will go up until the demand is high and it looks like the halving has something to do with the current insane uptrend.

Then the I" wish i knew and bough 50000$ LTC at 1.25$" (or whatever low price it was like 5-6 weeks ago)

Cheesy

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Quote from: mrhelpful on May 11, 2015, 08:15:32 PM

I`m worried less on the halfing but more on the whole part with what im about to say.

"Bitcoin Core has no code in it to handle a permanent and growing transaction backlog. "

what happens when transactions are super slow as fuk, hence a ultimate incident way back when.

transaction fees will rise and block size will expand . no other solution works.

transaction fees are the only way to kill off spam transactions.

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I`m worried less on the halfing but more on the whole part with what im about to say.

"Bitcoin Core has no code in it to handle a permanent and growing transaction backlog. "

what happens when transactions are super slow as fuk, hence a ultimate incident way back when.

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Quote from: fryarminer on May 11, 2015, 01:52:39 AM

Quote from: goosoodude on May 10, 2015, 11:53:13 PM

Quote from: Light on May 09, 2015, 09:31:04 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on May 09, 2015, 08:54:59 PM

I agree that there will be rise in price at the halving. And I'm not saying this following example will happen, but it could easily.

Example: The price may go down to $175 or so again (that already happened this year so far) or lower, and the price could then rise to $200 at the time of the halving, which even though it went up, it's actually down from now.

Personally, I'm not that pessimistic. I think the price will go up more in the future, but no one knows for sure, and it's just as easy the example above would happen instead.

It's a little more complicated than that - but in order for miners to remain profitable they would require the price to go up (i.e. they would only sell at a higher price). This would tend to create a scenario where you only see trades at higher prices and therefore would expect higher prices. However, if for some reason there is little demand, and the price falls/stagnates you would instead see that some miners would turn off their mining operations as it is no longer profitable - thereby reaching an equilibrium.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the miners account for a pretty small share of the amount of bitcoin traded on exchanges so the "fact" that miners do not want to "sell at low prices" is not going to prevent the price of bitcoin from trading at a "low" price

Actually the fact is that by the time the halving comes a lot more people will be trading Bitcoin. The fact that only half the new coins will be entering circulation will force what could be double the scarcity.

I think that now we are still early adoption as far as Satoshi's original plan. Enough Bitcoin to go around and few people using it. The next halving will actually cause the scarcity to start being felt.

Well the coins that are already in circulation (the coins that have already been mined) will still be available. The number of additional coins potentially available for sale per day will obviously decrease, however I don't think that in itself will cause the price of bitcoin to rise.

I don't think Satoshi necessarily planned for bitcoin to evolve in any certain way as far as user adoption is concerned. He did setup block subsidies so that the miners would get primarily block subsidies early on and little tx fees, then tx fees will make up a larger portion of the total block rewards as times going forward, however as it stands now by the time the next block subsidy halving takes place, when compared to the total block reward, tx fees will be a very small portion

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Quote from: goosoodude on May 10, 2015, 11:53:13 PM

Quote from: Light on May 09, 2015, 09:31:04 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on May 09, 2015, 08:54:59 PM

I agree that there will be rise in price at the halving. And I'm not saying this following example will happen, but it could easily.

Example: The price may go down to $175 or so again (that already happened this year so far) or lower, and the price could then rise to $200 at the time of the halving, which even though it went up, it's actually down from now.

Personally, I'm not that pessimistic. I think the price will go up more in the future, but no one knows for sure, and it's just as easy the example above would happen instead.

It's a little more complicated than that - but in order for miners to remain profitable they would require the price to go up (i.e. they would only sell at a higher price). This would tend to create a scenario where you only see trades at higher prices and therefore would expect higher prices. However, if for some reason there is little demand, and the price falls/stagnates you would instead see that some miners would turn off their mining operations as it is no longer profitable - thereby reaching an equilibrium.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the miners account for a pretty small share of the amount of bitcoin traded on exchanges so the "fact" that miners do not want to "sell at low prices" is not going to prevent the price of bitcoin from trading at a "low" price

Actually the fact is that by the time the halving comes a lot more people will be trading Bitcoin. The fact that only half the new coins will be entering circulation will force what could be double the scarcity.

I think that now we are still early adoption as far as Satoshi's original plan. Enough Bitcoin to go around and few people using it. The next halving will actually cause the scarcity to start being felt.

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Quote from: goosoodude on May 10, 2015, 11:53:13 PM

Quote from: Light on May 09, 2015, 09:31:04 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on May 09, 2015, 08:54:59 PM

I agree that there will be rise in price at the halving. And I'm not saying this following example will happen, but it could easily.

Example: The price may go down to $175 or so again (that already happened this year so far) or lower, and the price could then rise to $200 at the time of the halving, which even though it went up, it's actually down from now.

Personally, I'm not that pessimistic. I think the price will go up more in the future, but no one knows for sure, and it's just as easy the example above would happen instead.

It's a little more complicated than that - but in order for miners to remain profitable they would require the price to go up (i.e. they would only sell at a higher price). This would tend to create a scenario where you only see trades at higher prices and therefore would expect higher prices. However, if for some reason there is little demand, and the price falls/stagnates you would instead see that some miners would turn off their mining operations as it is no longer profitable - thereby reaching an equilibrium.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the miners account for a pretty small share of the amount of bitcoin traded on exchanges so the "fact" that miners do not want to "sell at low prices" is not going to prevent the price of bitcoin from trading at a "low" price

I don't know if i agree completely. Yes pools do get some miners fee's etc. But even the big mining corporations have to sell on a exchange or direct to pay their bills. Large corporations and a lot of home I see at least electricity amount of BTC being sold. Which is a lot of btc with the big companies out there.

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Quote from: Light on May 09, 2015, 09:31:04 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on May 09, 2015, 08:54:59 PM

I agree that there will be rise in price at the halving. And I'm not saying this following example will happen, but it could easily.

Example: The price may go down to $175 or so again (that already happened this year so far) or lower, and the price could then rise to $200 at the time of the halving, which even though it went up, it's actually down from now.

Personally, I'm not that pessimistic. I think the price will go up more in the future, but no one knows for sure, and it's just as easy the example above would happen instead.

It's a little more complicated than that - but in order for miners to remain profitable they would require the price to go up (i.e. they would only sell at a higher price). This would tend to create a scenario where you only see trades at higher prices and therefore would expect higher prices. However, if for some reason there is little demand, and the price falls/stagnates you would instead see that some miners would turn off their mining operations as it is no longer profitable - thereby reaching an equilibrium.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the miners account for a pretty small share of the amount of bitcoin traded on exchanges so the "fact" that miners do not want to "sell at low prices" is not going to prevent the price of bitcoin from trading at a "low" price

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Next block split to 15 BTC per block is going to be fun times and will be interesting to see if price goes anywhere in the up movement. If it doesn't then no doubt a BTC clone will come along and dominate the markets and theirs a real good change of something knocking bitcoin off the top

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Quote from: crazyivan on May 10, 2015, 07:37:05 AM

Not a think will happen directly related to block halving.

Feather coin and Vertcoin wanted to do the same by changing their algos to disable ASIC from mining these coins. The entire idea was to limit supply and guess what, nothing happened, the price even went down.

Non sequitur.

What does disinflation and changing the algo to become ASIC resistant have to do with each other?

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Not a think will happen directly related to block halving.

Feather coin and Vertcoin wanted to do the same by changing their algos to disable ASIC from mining these coins. The entire idea was to limit supply and guess what, nothing happened, the price even went down.

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No one really knows. It will be a interesting time for sure espically for miners.

I'm hoping before halving we see a increase in btc,but I don't think we will see double. It will effect a lot of old miners, and will be interesting to see what it does to miners who can keep going.

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For more insights, try:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=81.0 -> top right, search field, enter "halving"
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/search?q=halving&sort=new&restrict_sr=on
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&q=halving
Or just wait for this question to be asked again in Two Weeks™ Wink

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The price will be increased, but not sure how much.

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Think you better work out the calculations carefully because with current difficulty level and rising, unless you have your hardware properly set up and optimized with the cost if hardware and electricity taken into consideration, profit should be razor thin. Moreover with the halving taking place next year to cut the reward to half, it will be even more challenging.

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The price will be increase, that's for sure, but can't expect it will double the price.

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I have learned to expect the worst and receive the most... for that reason, I expect a small rise in price, until miners leave or adapt and demand are back to where it was.

So my guess would be a small temporary spike, and then a gradual decline, until it reach the same levels, where we are now.

If there is "fireworks" for some reason... I would be happy... but for now... I go with small changes. Grin

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Personally, I think that the chances are that we will see a price increase.
How much increase, nobody knows.
It could be in the range of one figure, or it could be in 2 figures or even more.

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If the value doesn't skyrocket with the next halving run to the hills.

fryarminer

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I think that getting into mining now is still good. But toward the end of this year will be a bad time to get into mining, you won't break even.
I think when the halving happens there will be a serious decrease of difficulty, and a price rise. They will probably meet half way, leveling off where it is just profitable enough to mine, like it is at the moment.
I'd say mine as much as you can now while the going is still somewhat reasonable.

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Hopefully the halving should mean an increased price but unfortunately no one really knows. Though with supply and demand, one would assume the price would rice due to less availability.

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