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Quote from: LouReed on December 04, 2013, 08:25:13 AM

Quote from: niothor on December 03, 2013, 05:29:46 AM

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Quote from: beetcoin on December 02, 2013, 07:47:36 PM

damn from 4GB to 13GB in less than a year.. seems like a solution needs to be drawn up relatively soon. by this time next year, that number could easily be 30GB.

There is a solution. It's called quark coin.

Google quark coin , first result:
"At Least 54 Bitcoin Clones Have Been Created Since April"
So , what does it do , have Kermit jumping up and down and reducing the blockchain?

Here's what Guark really is:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1s1t1s/quark_is_out_of_control

And strangely enough that doesn't amaze me the slightest.

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Quote from: niothor on December 04, 2013, 08:08:57 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 04, 2013, 07:55:52 AM

I don't get why so many people advice Multibit. I think that Electrum is a lot better.

Mercedes ,Audi ,Bmw ... and you know the rest.
But mostly because of this:

"Get started fast and easy

MultiBit is an app you can download for Windows, Mac and Linux.
Bitcoin Wallet for Android runs on your phone or tablet."
Bitcoin.org site.

I see. Sounds like Bitcoin.org isn't fair Roll Eyes

Multibit also relies on other nodes, but they don't say that in the description. However, they do show it with Electrum and dump the program on a lower rank without their name underneath it. I would guess that Multibit either paid for this or the Bitcoin.org admins are involved with the Multibit project (which doesn't change my point).

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Quote from: niothor on December 03, 2013, 05:29:46 AM

Quote from: btcprice on December 02, 2013, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: beetcoin on December 02, 2013, 07:47:36 PM

damn from 4GB to 13GB in less than a year.. seems like a solution needs to be drawn up relatively soon. by this time next year, that number could easily be 30GB.

There is a solution. It's called quark coin.

Google quark coin , first result:
"At Least 54 Bitcoin Clones Have Been Created Since April"
So , what does it do , have Kermit jumping up and down and reducing the blockchain?

Here's what Guark really is:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1s1t1s/quark_is_out_of_control

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Quote from: Mitchell on December 04, 2013, 07:55:52 AM

I don't get why so many people advice Multibit. I think that Electrum is a lot better.

Mercedes ,Audi ,Bmw ... and you know the rest.
But mostly because of this:

"Get started fast and easy

MultiBit is an app you can download for Windows, Mac and Linux.
Bitcoin Wallet for Android runs on your phone or tablet."
Bitcoin.org site.

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I don't get why so many people advice Multibit. I think that Electrum is a lot better.

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Quote from: cimine on December 03, 2013, 05:00:27 AM

Quote from: solex on December 03, 2013, 12:30:24 AM

Quote from: beetcoin on December 02, 2013, 07:47:36 PM

damn from 4GB to 13GB in less than a year.. seems like a solution needs to be drawn up relatively soon. by this time next year, that number could easily be 30GB.

A modest expenditure really...
https://www.bitcoinstore.com/fantom-greendrive-2-tb-external-hard-drive-1036078.html

That's all good and well for someone operating in a business / server environment but for the average user: Hey want to use bitcoin? OK:

1.) Go buy a 2 TB hard drive

2.) Install

3.) Download bitcoin and configure it to use this secondary drive.

4.) Let it run for a month to download and process the block chain

5.) Enjoy!

It's really unrealistic.

P.S. To the guy that said it's only 11 GB... mine is over 15 GB fore my bitcoin data dir. If it's only 11 where is my extra 4 GB coming from? I don't have one billion addresses in my address book or addresses of my own. My specific user data cannot be more than a few kilobytes.

Or you just download Multibit and use it instead of bitcoin-qt. No need to download 15gb of data you don't really need (unless you plan to keep a node running)

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I'm curious about the differences , 14-15 even 21 gb?
Whats could be the reason for that?
Mine it's at about 14 , but not updated for about one week.

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Quote from: Beans on December 03, 2013, 09:04:39 PM

Quote from: cimine on December 03, 2013, 05:00:27 AM

Quote from: solex on December 03, 2013, 12:30:24 AM

Quote from: beetcoin on December 02, 2013, 07:47:36 PM

damn from 4GB to 13GB in less than a year.. seems like a solution needs to be drawn up relatively soon. by this time next year, that number could easily be 30GB.

A modest expenditure really...
https://www.bitcoinstore.com/fantom-greendrive-2-tb-external-hard-drive-1036078.html

That's all good and well for someone operating in a business / server environment but for the average user: Hey want to use bitcoin? OK:

1.) Go buy a 2 TB hard drive

2.) Install

3.) Download bitcoin and configure it to use this secondary drive.

4.) Let it run for a month to download and process the block chain

5.) Enjoy!

It's really unrealistic.

P.S. To the guy that said it's only 11 GB... mine is over 15 GB fore my bitcoin data dir. If it's only 11 where is my extra 4 GB coming from? I don't have one billion addresses in my address book or addresses of my own. My specific user data cannot be more than a few kilobytes.

Mine is showing up as 21GB. Wonder what is causing the huge size differences.

15gb here too. It just fits on a 16gb SDCard.

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Quote from: beetcoin on December 03, 2013, 12:45:01 AM

in 5 years that 2 TB hard drive might not be enough.

In 5 years, that 2TB HDD will be in the bottom of your bone-pile.

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Quote from: cimine on December 03, 2013, 05:00:27 AM

Quote from: solex on December 03, 2013, 12:30:24 AM

Quote from: beetcoin on December 02, 2013, 07:47:36 PM

damn from 4GB to 13GB in less than a year.. seems like a solution needs to be drawn up relatively soon. by this time next year, that number could easily be 30GB.

A modest expenditure really...
https://www.bitcoinstore.com/fantom-greendrive-2-tb-external-hard-drive-1036078.html

That's all good and well for someone operating in a business / server environment but for the average user: Hey want to use bitcoin? OK:

1.) Go buy a 2 TB hard drive

2.) Install

3.) Download bitcoin and configure it to use this secondary drive.

4.) Let it run for a month to download and process the block chain

5.) Enjoy!

It's really unrealistic.

P.S. To the guy that said it's only 11 GB... mine is over 15 GB fore my bitcoin data dir. If it's only 11 where is my extra 4 GB coming from? I don't have one billion addresses in my address book or addresses of my own. My specific user data cannot be more than a few kilobytes.

Mine is showing up as 21GB. Wonder what is causing the huge size differences.

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Quote from: niothor on December 03, 2013, 10:12:12 AM

Even if you have the FAQ on a sidebar in this forum , there will be still people asking those question.
It happens everywhere and not only with bitcoin.

Look at the amount of posts regarding the newbie restriction when there is a sticky post just in that sub forum.

You're right.
But replying with a link to a good FAQ entry really helps. And the replies might help enrich the FAQ (sometimes...)

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Quote from: cho on December 03, 2013, 09:39:59 AM

Quote from: BurtW on December 03, 2013, 09:09:19 AM

Quote from: canada on December 03, 2013, 05:32:45 AM

hey Elwar - I was wondering about this yesterday. Whats the probability that the vanitygen would generate an already existing address? Set up a farm to run these programs, generate addresses and check their balances?

PLEASE, for the love of god, PLEASE search for this and do not start another thread on this subject (address collision) there are at least 1,000 threads on this subject already.

Shouldn't we have some easily linkable FAQ covering this and thousands other questions ?
Or have we got that already ?
I'm evangelizing a lot and getting tired of answering the same questions. If there is no comprehensive resource like that I might set up one.

Even if you have the FAQ on a sidebar in this forum , there will be still people asking those question.
It happens everywhere and not only with bitcoin.

Look at the amount of posts regarding the newbie restriction when there is a sticky post just in that sub forum.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on December 03, 2013, 09:44:11 AM

Quote from: cho on December 03, 2013, 09:39:59 AM

Shouldn't we have some easily linkable FAQ covering this and thousands other questions ?
Or have we got that already ?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ

Thanks a lot ; is this the right place for a "common objections" or "false problems" section, with questions like :
"The blockchain keeps growing, can I use Bitcoin without downloading 15 GB ?" (this one is partially answered already but the answer is short and a bit hard to find)
"What happens when miners stop getting block rewards ?"
"Will Bitcoin crumble to death if the underlying crypto is borken ?"

Currently some "objection" questions are listed under General or Economy. I might just add my own under in the existing sections. I'll keep thinking about it, any adivce appreciated !

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Quote from: cho on December 03, 2013, 09:39:59 AM

Shouldn't we have some easily linkable FAQ covering this and thousands other questions ?
Or have we got that already ?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ

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Quote from: BurtW on December 03, 2013, 09:09:19 AM

Quote from: canada on December 03, 2013, 05:32:45 AM

hey Elwar - I was wondering about this yesterday. Whats the probability that the vanitygen would generate an already existing address? Set up a farm to run these programs, generate addresses and check their balances?

PLEASE, for the love of god, PLEASE search for this and do not start another thread on this subject (address collision) there are at least 1,000 threads on this subject already.

Shouldn't we have some easily linkable FAQ covering this and thousands other questions ?
Or have we got that already ?
I'm evangelizing a lot and getting tired of answering the same questions. If there is no comprehensive resource like that I might set up one.

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Quote from: techstorm2 on December 03, 2013, 05:38:43 AM

Sorry for sounding dumb!, Huh

or if ive not understood this, BUT, how does your average joe with a phone and wallet handle this, does the phone wallet download the whole blockchain, all 13Gb of it?

if so this is surely unsustainable as it grows.

Huh

No its not. But it doesn't matter, because these guys know there are ways around it, with different clients etc. Roll Eyes

Honestly guys, the failure to deal this sort of problem, or rather how you respond to and address them, will probably the difference between wide spread use or not. such technical issues need to be removed from sight for the masses.

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Quote from: canada on December 03, 2013, 05:32:45 AM

Quote from: Elwar on December 03, 2013, 05:14:04 AM

Want to use bitcoin? OK:

Download vanitygen.exe

./vanitygen.exe 1CIMINE
output:
public key: 1CIMINE23HssO34H9FjsduFq3HapP32jLjfi3
private key 5J39H40h48hwh2H3gJ30wdfFkh23biedfhFksdhFaAb

Send Bitcoin to public key.

When you need to spend, import keys to blockchain.info and send them. Generate new keys. Send remaining BTC to new public key. Keep in cold storage. (or keep a small amount for spending at an online wallet, the rest in cold storage)

hey Elwar - I was wondering about this yesterday. Whats the probability that the vanitygen would generate an already existing address? Set up a farm to run these programs, generate addresses and check their balances?

PLEASE, for the love of god, PLEASE search for this and do not start another thread on this subject (address collision) there are at least 1,000 threads on this subject already.

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Quote from: canada on December 03, 2013, 05:32:45 AM

Quote from: Elwar on December 03, 2013, 05:14:04 AM

Want to use bitcoin? OK:

Download vanitygen.exe

./vanitygen.exe 1CIMINE
output:
public key: 1CIMINE23HssO34H9FjsduFq3HapP32jLjfi3
private key 5J39H40h48hwh2H3gJ30wdfFkh23biedfhFksdhFaAb

Send Bitcoin to public key.

When you need to spend, import keys to blockchain.info and send them. Generate new keys. Send remaining BTC to new public key. Keep in cold storage. (or keep a small amount for spending at an online wallet, the rest in cold storage)

hey Elwar - I was wondering about this yesterday. Whats the probability that the vanitygen would generate an already existing address? Set up a farm to run these programs, generate addresses and check their balances?

whats checking balances going to achive

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Quote from: Elwar on December 03, 2013, 05:14:04 AM

Want to use bitcoin? OK:

Download vanitygen.exe

./vanitygen.exe 1CIMINE
output:
public key: 1CIMINE23HssO34H9FjsduFq3HapP32jLjfi3
private key 5J39H40h48hwh2H3gJ30wdfFkh23biedfhFksdhFaAb

Send Bitcoin to public key.

When you need to spend, import keys to blockchain.info and send them. Generate new keys. Send remaining BTC to new public key. Keep in cold storage. (or keep a small amount for spending at an online wallet, the rest in cold storage)

That sounds great but there must be some risks associated with this otherwise everybody would do this... Huh

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Quote from: techstorm2 on December 03, 2013, 05:38:43 AM

Sorry for sounding dumb!, Huh

or if ive not understood this, BUT, how does your average joe with a phone and wallet handle this, does the phone wallet download the whole blockchain, all 13Gb of it?

if so this is surely unsustainable as it grows.

Huh

There are plenty of light-weight clients that don't download the entire blockchain but instead rely on other nodes for transaction-information. These exist for both desktop and mobile platforms.

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