Topic: blockchain size Do we really need 20 gbs of data? - page 2. (Read 2194 times)

You do understand that in an open source decentralized network there is no such thing as a third party client.   Bitcoin-core is an implementation of a full node.  There are other implementations of nodes both full nodes and SPV nodes.  So the question is do you want to run a full node?  If so then there is a resource requirement to pay.  It just be software bloat to combine a SPV implementation and a full node implementation into the same software.   If the same dev team that is developing bitcoin-core also created an SPV client would you consider that a "third party" client?

Well you know, at the end of the day it all comes down to the argument that they deal with people who want to invest millions of dollars in bitcoin infrastructure - and who are you next to them?

It was inevitable that sooner or later the demand from multi-million businesses which discovered bitcoin as a new source of income would become more important for some people, than the demand of the community that actually had made this project a success in the first place.

But eventually everything is going to equalize - the miners are there to assure it.
IMHO, Bitcoin Core is a dead project already and it is just a matter of time before miners start using a different software. And then, to make changes like this, you won't have to talk to the bitcoin elite anymore.

you are right. I'm an ignorant ape from kokomo that can't contribute code.
but even this noob who can't code is aware there are some core issues that I shouldn't even have to say anything about.
and relying on 3rd party software to bandage the issue isn't a solution.
but that's fine if I'm ignored because that means the writhing mass that this coin is trying to penetrate is being ignored.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204283.new#new
There was a guy who was working on compression method, but looks like there are no updates about it from Jan 2014.

Of course I agree with you, but please be informed that saying things like that will likely move you from their noob list to their ignore list.

IMO, the chain compression for the nodes will get implemented sooner or later. Necessity is the mother of inventions so eventually things will change here or there and then it will get done.
The only question is: who is going to lead the solution through the community. Obviously it won't be people carrying a banner "I don't care about mining"

yes totally agree, the ability to do so has been around for as long as bitcoin. So why it hasn't been addressed yet is ignorant.
The other ignorant thing that has been bothering me is that the client should create backups automatically of the wallet.dat
But it doesn't for whatever reason. Everytime it starts, it should create a wallet.dat.bak-DATE(or whatever)
so if a HDD/controller shits itself while working on the blockchain it doesn't corrupt everything. (not that I would know)  
I don't know what the dev community has been doing for 5 years but they really need to get it in gear to make it (l)user friendly.
Nothing has changed at all in this time. Patches and stupid shit. mnsho
and devs I don't mean disrespect but seriously...

you must not have read the part where I said I shouldn't need to use a 3rd party client.
so put me in the paranoid camp but I haven't lost a btc yet *knock on wafers*

As it had been discussed here before, there are methods to compress the entire blockchain state on your disk (ATM to like 500MB), yet still allowing your node to have a secure copy of the entire UTXO db and thus all the possible address balances, as well as be usable for mining. Which SPV clients are totally useless for - they are just leeches of the bitcoin network and they should be banned, not encouraged, IMHO.

But to do this, you need to extend the blockchain protocol and to extend the blockchain protocol you need to change the reference software, and to change the reference software you need to talk to the people who have their own agenda - which have recently seemed to be quite contradictory to encouraging decentralization of nodes.

All it takes is just make a hash from serialized records of the current UTXO database and mine into the next block (each block, or once for awhile) - then enforce the protocol to verify this hash and reject blocks that would have a wrong hash. It isn't a rocket science - quite a simple feature actually, comparing to the rest of the bitcoin protocol.

Last time I moved this topic on this forum, I was told that they "way ahead" of me with the solution.
Though that was like over a year ago - now they obviously must be at least one year further ahead of me...

Anyway, don't expect it to happen within the next 10 years - not with this team, and ATM there isn't any other bitcoin software that would be suitable for mining.
And there isn't any solution for the disk space problem that could work securely without first upgrading the blockchain protocol (inside the mining software).

So if you want to keep running a bitcoin node like 5 years from now, better start monitoring hard disk prices already.
Then use the same rule as for bitcoins: buy when it's low.

Indeed. Use a SPV client unless you specially want to run a full node. Bitcoin Core's wallet doesn't have any advantages compared to other wallets.

I don't.  I expect Joe Blow will use a SPV client and never keep a full copy of the blockchain.  Enthusiasts, service providers, the paranoid, merchants, and researchers will keep a full copy of the blockchain.

How do you expect Joe Blow from kokomo to keep 20 + gbs of a blockchain on their computer for just a wallet?
This seriously needs to be addressed so a newbie can download the btc wallet and not worry about their
HDD exploding or downloading 4 years worth of data. Ok I'm exaggerating slightly and this is like beating a
dead horse. At least a 2 year old dead horse that hasn't seemed to be buried yet for whatever reason.
How many years more is it going to take to come up with a real solution?

Sure there are alternatives but that isn't acceptable when the "standard" is the client provided by the devs and it eats
a 1/3 of a hdd.
I shouldn't have to support a HDD corporation to keep a blockchain or dedicate a HDD to the blockchain
I shouldn't have to use a 3rd party "light wallet" either.
The BTC client is proven to be secure, I feel safer using it than a 3rd party wallet regardless at this time and moment.

Isn't it time that this is put to bed once and for all? 5 years to think this one over..