Topic: Blockchain Transaction Dissapered (Read 1328 times)

I was sent .75 from a friend, and then it disappeared, but whats stranger is that the entire transaction is gone from both of our histories. It was done blockchain to blockchain so maybe he canceled it and is lying. I don't know if that is possible. But when I told him he sent me .4 right away, so it seems a little guilty tbh. (he owes me like 5k cash)

I really want to get to the bottom of this, so I dont know what to do? Its not the money, I want to know what happened. There is no transaction in my account nor on the screen shot he sent me.

I asked for my entire account records from blockchain, but haven't heard back.

what do you mean with dissapear?are you make some transaction and then that transaction gone without complete?
i have read some problem about blockchain wallet,but i never feel and never hear about this before,weird. i think its just system failure.

I mean that I saw it in my account balance, and then when I checked again it was gone. I didnt look at any of the transaction chain stuff, or the confirmation. They probably sent it back to him, thanks for the help.

Its also possible that neither of you has any coins now. Think of the following scenario:

Eve sends 0.75 BTC to your friend. She pays a low fee (or even no fee at all). Your friend had no bitcoin before, so when sending 0.75 to you, the coins from Eve are used. Your friend pays a nice normal fee. You see the coins appear in your wallet and think everything is fine. A few days later blockchain.info drops the transaction created by Eve because there is next to no chance it will ever get confirmed with such a low (or none) fee. This in turn makes the TX from your friend to you invalid, because it uses coins that no longer exist for the node. *poff* coins gone. The lesson to learn here is, coins that are not confirmed still belong to the sender. These chains can grow long, in my example (I have no idea if it happened like this) the coins belonged to Eve the whole time.

Wow....I never thought of it that far out. Have you confirmed that scenario? That is a strange situation indeed. And, if a transaction can be twice removed, then what's to stop it from being any number of places removed? I can see it vanishing from hundreds of wallets at once now! Hmmm. How can we test that particular case? Got me thinking now! Thanks!

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It can happen that when the network is busy and a transaction is sent with less than recommended fees, The transaction might get dropped by the network if it stayed unconfirmed for long time and therefore can disappear (that's what I heard before).

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Quote from: CryptoDatabase on March 28, 2016, 07:15:53 PM

Quote from: nycjosh on March 29, 2016, 12:31:18 PM

Thats what he sent, What should I ask for? thanks

You should ask him to provide you an image that can actually be read. An image that small means he made it that way for a reason before sending it to you so it tells me he is hiding something.

An iPhone can take better screenshots than that.

Your address shows you successfully received the 0.4 BTC from him but that is it. 0.75 was not sent previously.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PYmyVML85i3d2gwjiHx4sPYyzW8XtgKmf

Is there any reason it would show .75 and then have it disappear? wheter he sent it or not. Because my account 100 percent had .75 in last I checked before today. Is there a lawyer I can talk to, because I want my account balance history sent to me from blockchain, because I am pissed off

At this point it is a personal thing between you and the sender....You both know that it was sent but not published on the ledger....If it was not published on the ledger then the transaction was not completed successfully and he still has the bitcoin....The ledger IS the proof! The ledger has the final say....he still owes you! Period! The proof is in the ledger.

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on March 28, 2016, 08:46:56 PM

Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on March 28, 2016, 08:46:56 PM

I was sent .75 from a friend, and then it disappeared, but whats stranger is that the entire transaction is gone from both of our histories. It was done blockchain to blockchain so maybe he canceled it and is lying. I don't know if that is possible. But when I told him he sent me .4 right away, so it seems a little guilty tbh. (he owes me like 5k cash)

I really want to get to the bottom of this, so I dont know what to do? Its not the money, I want to know what happened. There is no transaction in my account nor on the screen shot he sent me.

I asked for my entire account records from blockchain, but haven't heard back.

what do you mean with dissapear?are you make some transaction and then that transaction gone without complete?
i have read some problem about blockchain wallet,but i never feel and never hear about this before,weird. i think its just system failure.

I mean that I saw it in my account balance, and then when I checked again it was gone. I didnt look at any of the transaction chain stuff, or the confirmation. They probably sent it back to him, thanks for the help.

Its also possible that neither of you has any coins now. Think of the following scenario:

Eve sends 0.75 BTC to your friend. She pays a low fee (or even no fee at all). Your friend had no bitcoin before, so when sending 0.75 to you, the coins from Eve are used. Your friend pays a nice normal fee. You see the coins appear in your wallet and think everything is fine. A few days later blockchain.info drops the transaction created by Eve because there is next to no chance it will ever get confirmed with such a low (or none) fee. This in turn makes the TX from your friend to you invalid, because it uses coins that no longer exist for the node. *poff* coins gone. The lesson to learn here is, coins that are not confirmed still belong to the sender. These chains can grow long, in my example (I have no idea if it happened like this) the coins belonged to Eve the whole time.

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Quote from: AgentofCoin on March 28, 2016, 09:04:30 PM

I was sent .75 from a friend, and then it disappeared, but whats stranger is that the entire transaction is gone from both of our histories. It was done blockchain to blockchain so maybe he canceled it and is lying. I don't know if that is possible. But when I told him he sent me .4 right away, so it seems a little guilty tbh. (he owes me like 5k cash)

I really want to get to the bottom of this, so I dont know what to do? Its not the money, I want to know what happened. There is no transaction in my account nor on the screen shot he sent me.

I asked for my entire account records from blockchain, but haven't heard back.

what do you mean with dissapear?are you make some transaction and then that transaction gone without complete?
i have read some problem about blockchain wallet,but i never feel and never hear about this before,weird. i think its just system failure.

I mean that I saw it in my account balance, and then when I checked again it was gone. I didnt look at any of the transaction chain stuff, or the confirmation. They probably sent it back to him, thanks for the help.

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Quote from: nycjosh on March 28, 2016, 08:18:37 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:59:23 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Quote from: nycjosh on March 28, 2016, 08:18:37 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

To determine what? That he sent the Bitcoin? Sure they might have it in their logs, but nothing can be done about it. For all intents and purposes, the transaction never happened and the entire Bitcoin network doesn't know that such a transaction existed.

If they can confirm it, then i can go back to him and say, blockchain says you got the money back, if not im going to have to eat the .75

If your friend can not send the Transaction ID to prove that he sent it to you,
then your friend needs to send it to you again. That is all there is to it.
Your friend didn't send you anything, that is a fact.

The fact that the 0.75 btc is not in the address that you requested payment into,
is all the proof you need that he did not pay you or it was returned to him.

Please request the Transaction ID from your friend.
If you do not do so, then you are a troll and wasting everyone's time, including yourself.

Request the Transaction ID or GTFO.

jesus christ dude. no one made you post an answer. but i do appreciate the info

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Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:59:23 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

To determine what? That he sent the Bitcoin? Sure they might have it in their logs, but nothing can be done about it. For all intents and purposes, the transaction never happened and the entire Bitcoin network doesn't know that such a transaction existed.

If they can confirm it, then i can go back to him and say, blockchain says you got the money back, if not im going to have to eat the .75

If your friend can not send the Transaction ID to prove that he sent it to you,
then your friend needs to send it to you again. That is all there is to it.
Your friend didn't send you anything, that is a fact.

The fact that the 0.75 btc is not in the address that you requested payment into,
is all the proof you need that he did not pay you or it was returned to him.

Please request the Transaction ID from your friend.
If you do not do so, then you are a troll and wasting everyone's time, including yourself.

Request the Transaction ID or GTFO.

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Quote from: nycjosh on March 28, 2016, 08:18:37 PM

I was sent .75 from a friend, and then it disappeared, but whats stranger is that the entire transaction is gone from both of our histories. It was done blockchain to blockchain so maybe he canceled it and is lying. I don't know if that is possible. But when I told him he sent me .4 right away, so it seems a little guilty tbh. (he owes me like 5k cash)

I really want to get to the bottom of this, so I dont know what to do? Its not the money, I want to know what happened. There is no transaction in my account nor on the screen shot he sent me.

I asked for my entire account records from blockchain, but haven't heard back.

what do you mean with dissapear?are you make some transaction and then that transaction gone without complete?
i have read some problem about blockchain wallet,but i never feel and never hear about this before,weird. i think its just system failure.

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If they can confirm it, then i can go back to him and say, blockchain says you got the money back, if not im going to have to eat the .75

You don't need blockchain.info to confirm that the money was "returned" to him. All Bitcoin transactions are public, so you can simply check his address(es) yourself and see if he indeed has the 0.75 back. Anyways, if you don't have the Bitcoin, then he does, that is simply how Bitcoin works. Bitcoin cannot simply disappear.

If you do contact Blockchain.info's support, I highly doubt you will get a useful answer.

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Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:59:23 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:59:23 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

To determine what? That he sent the Bitcoin? Sure they might have it in their logs, but nothing can be done about it. For all intents and purposes, the transaction never happened and the entire Bitcoin network doesn't know that such a transaction existed.

If they can confirm it, then i can go back to him and say, blockchain says you got the money back, if not im going to have to eat the .75

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Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

To determine what? That he sent the Bitcoin? Sure they might have it in their logs, but nothing can be done about it. For all intents and purposes, the transaction never happened and the entire Bitcoin network doesn't know that such a transaction existed.

Knightdk is correct. You are wasting your time.
And almost every question you ask is not based on how bitcoin works.

Very simply, your friend still owes you 0.35 btc.
Request that your friend send you the remainder of what is owed to you.

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Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

To determine what? That he sent the Bitcoin? Sure they might have it in their logs, but nothing can be done about it. For all intents and purposes, the transaction never happened and the entire Bitcoin network doesn't know that such a transaction existed.

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Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

What about if they use his account balance history to determine?

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Quote from: achow101 on March 28, 2016, 07:27:26 PM

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

No, Blockchain.info is just a service. They are not the Bitcoin blockchain nor do they have any power over Bitcoin. Confirmations come from miners and those miners are the only ones who decide whether your transaction goes into the blockchain or not.

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Quote from: CryptoDatabase on March 28, 2016, 07:15:53 PM

Thats what he sent, What should I ask for? thanks

You should ask him to provide you an image that can actually be read. An image that small means he made it that way for a reason before sending it to you so it tells me he is hiding something.

An iPhone can take better screenshots than that.

Your address shows you successfully received the 0.4 BTC from him but that is it. 0.75 was not sent previously.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PYmyVML85i3d2gwjiHx4sPYyzW8XtgKmf

Is there any reason it would show .75 and then have it disappear? wheter he sent it or not. Because my account 100 percent had .75 in last I checked before today. Is there a lawyer I can talk to, because I want my account balance history sent to me from blockchain, because I am pissed off

No, you cannot talk to a lawyer and that will not fix anything.

What probably happened was that the transaction was sent with a low fee such that nodes probably wouldn't relay it. Then over a few days as it remains unconfirmed due to the low fee, it is dropped from nodes' mempools so the transaction is essentially forgotten by the network. The coins would have gone back to the sender as if that transaction had never happened.

Is there anyway I can get Blockchain to confirm this?

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Quote from: CryptoDatabase on March 28, 2016, 07:15:53 PM

Thats what he sent, What should I ask for? thanks

You should ask him to provide you an image that can actually be read. An image that small means he made it that way for a reason before sending it to you so it tells me he is hiding something.

An iPhone can take better screenshots than that.

Your address shows you successfully received the 0.4 BTC from him but that is it. 0.75 was not sent previously.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PYmyVML85i3d2gwjiHx4sPYyzW8XtgKmf

Is there any reason it would show .75 and then have it disappear? wheter he sent it or not. Because my account 100 percent had .75 in last I checked before today. Is there a lawyer I can talk to, because I want my account balance history sent to me from blockchain, because I am pissed off

Hiring a lawyer will do nothing for you unless you plan to take the guy to court for a civil matter and suing him for property (BTC) or money loss as you stated he owed you $5,000 in cash.

As for your account history, the link I posted previously is your account history.

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Quote from: CryptoDatabase on March 28, 2016, 07:15:53 PM

Quote from: CryptoDatabase on March 28, 2016, 07:15:53 PM

Thats what he sent, What should I ask for? thanks

You should ask him to provide you an image that can actually be read. An image that small means he made it that way for a reason before sending it to you so it tells me he is hiding something.

An iPhone can take better screenshots than that.

Your address shows you successfully received the 0.4 BTC from him but that is it. 0.75 was not sent previously.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PYmyVML85i3d2gwjiHx4sPYyzW8XtgKmf

Is there any reason it would show .75 and then have it disappear? wheter he sent it or not. Because my account 100 percent had .75 in last I checked before today. Is there a lawyer I can talk to, because I want my account balance history sent to me from blockchain, because I am pissed off

No, you cannot talk to a lawyer and that will not fix anything.

What probably happened was that the transaction was sent with a low fee such that nodes probably wouldn't relay it. Then over a few days as it remains unconfirmed due to the low fee, it is dropped from nodes' mempools so the transaction is essentially forgotten by the network. The coins would have gone back to the sender as if that transaction had never happened.

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