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Topic: [BLOG] - The Full Faith and Credit of Wikipedia (Read 5662 times)

legendary
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The Foundation does not currently accept Bitcoin or other currencies not backed by the full faith and credit of an issuing government.

Wikipedia speaks with forked tongue.

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Why is your prerequisite for donation that the medium be backed by coercion and tyranny?  By what silly logic do you permit donations to advance your cause of openness via currency that is controlled, but not via that which is open? Why do you approve of the freedom of expression when it comes to speech, but not when it comes to money? Why do you value open-source knowledge, yet reject open-source exchange?
legendary
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Bumping this thread to ask if there's a copy of OP's text somewhere else?
BitInstant blog is no longer up.

Thanks.
newbie
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There are some decent arguments supporting their accepting bitcoins, including those that involve automatic conversions to US dollars or whatever, but I don't think the original post is a very good argument, unless you already agree with it.

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Wikipedia, in how many ways must we reiterate this hypocrisy which runs perfectly counter to your stated mission?

Well, here's Wikimedia's stated mission:
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The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.

In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity.
There's nothing in there that even begins to suggest that bitcoin would be accepted by them.

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Why is your prerequisite for donation that the medium be backed by coercion and tyranny? By what silly logic do you permit donations to advance your cause of openness via currency that is controlled, but not via that which is open?
What about their mission statement suggests that they're against control at all and for openness in anything but educational content they themselves provide?

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Why do you approve of the freedom of expression when it comes to speech, but not when it comes to money?
They don't approve of freedom of expression, as you can see by all their policies preventing certain expressions, but even if they 'approved' of freedom of expression with money, why would they have to accept all forms of money rather than the kinds they freely chose based on whatever criteria they wanted?

The arguments also seem dishonest. The arguer isn't actually asking for every new currency that someone comes up with to be accepted by Wikipedia, but the argument is asking for that, as implied by the freedom of expression with money argument. Why would only one open currency be sufficient to satisfy that argument? Why couldn't everyone argue the same for their currency?

I get a different impression. As the EFF put it:
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3. People were misconstruing our acceptance of Bitcoins as an endorsement of Bitcoin. We were concerned that some people may have participated in the Bitcoin project specifically because EFF accepted Bitcoins, and perhaps they therefore believed the investment in Bitcoins was secure and risk-free. While we’ve been following the Bitcoin movement with a great degree of interest, EFF has never endorsed Bitcoin. In fact, we generally don’t endorse any type of product or service – and Bitcoin is no exception.
This is directly what is being asked above: that Wikipedia not only accept bitcoins but that they do it through support of the ideological tenets above. Why should they?
hero member
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So despite his apparent libertarian leaning and his knowledge of Hayek, he's well and truly part of the establishment now.
+1 From my contact with them, it's clear to me that WikiMedia has become just another member of the establishment corporatocracy, which is another reason we should not be begging to donate to them.

Since they've shown their true colors, i won't support them again.

He doesn't seem to be the only "decider" on their decisions either.

It would be useful if when BitPay pops up a particular merchant's payment interface that it says on that page "Accepting Bitcoin since [date]".

That way, we could prioritize the merchants into those who were with Bitcoin "BW" (before WordPress) and AW (after WordPress), and we can then make the spending decisions accordingly.
legendary
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@ ERIK VOORHEES :

Very nice article, like it so much, I've forward it to few friends that does'nt follow BTC news even if involved in BTC !

Marvellous, Inteeligent, well writen !  Congratulations, I totaly agree with the entire article !

I'll also write to wikipedia, as already done before, as im willing to donate only in BTC.
EDIT:mail sent:

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Hi,

Do you know that you can easily enable Bitcoin donation and automaticaly receive USD or any other currency you wish, without ever touching Bitcoin ?

If you accept donation in bitcoin, I can assure you that I will donate.  And a lot of other bitcoiner will do so.  Just follow WorldPress.com, and accept it.. sooner or later, bitcoin will become popular.

Just sayin' !

Thank you for the nice writing !

Cheesy
legendary
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You guys do know that Jimmy Wales was appointed as a UK government adviser in March this year? And that he married Tony Blair's former secretary last month?

So despite his apparent libertarian leaning and his knowledge of Hayek, he's well and truly part of the establishment now.

You can't advise governments or fall in love with somebody who works for goverment without abandoning libertarian principles?
legendary
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I think we need a glossary of tems.

define 'failure of fiat currency'.....  after some googling..  i have no idea!



google Zimbabwe dollar, Yougoslavian dinar, Argentinian peso, and so and so forth.
legendary
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I think we need a glossary of tems.

define 'failure of fiat currency'.....  after some googling..  i have no idea!

legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Fiat failed tons of times, it will happens again and again. And it happens to a major fiat, then it can drag in the black hole others too.....
sr. member
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Lets face it.. fiat is not going to 'fail'

If that happened we would have total anarchy and I doubt many would be able to get to whatever was left of the internet.

I do believe btc will prosper as a commodity/currency.  Eventually more valuable then gold, but much more easily transferable and divisible. (note the eventually)
Anarchy is not a requirement for "failure". The freefall of value is failure enough for me. Things aren't getting better for USD over the next ten years.
legendary
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Lets face it.. fiat is not going to 'fail'

If that happened we would have total anarchy and I doubt many would be able to get to whatever was left of the internet.

I do believe btc will prosper as a commodity/currency.  Eventually more valuable then gold, but much more easily transferable and divisible. (note the eventually)
sr. member
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I agree with others who say that it's time to give up on trying to get Wikipedia to accept B donations.

We all know the real reasons why they don't do it.

Simply don't send them any support! I am sure they will be fine with fiat donations from others, and our conscience should be clear when we continue to use it for free!  Grin

Trying to convince them to accept it, makes us look desperate and needy.

As i've said before, if Bitcoin is big-enough idea to succeed, it's big enough to speak for itself now. We should just use it and improve it, and stop begging others to accept it.

When the fiat house of cards implodes in the right places, my bet is many entities will change their mind about B.

At that time, the ones that did not support B these days, will not get a satoshi or any other currency from me either...  Tongue 
I feel BTC will survive on its merits. BTC is financial freedom. Fiat is inevitable failure. I will stick with silver and my BTC.   
donator
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Excellent Article!!! Keep up the great job!!
hero member
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We should approach one of wikipedis's competitors.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Main_Page is a good start.
Speaking of donations, when is the Douchebag Foundation going to accept Bitcoin?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


When Pirate pays everyone back.
hero member
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Great article Erik!

How about sending tips to Wikipedia by Twitter to open their eyes a bit? Heres the instructions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/13m7wo/flood_wikipedia_with_donations_by_twitter/
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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."
I agree with others who say that it's time to give up on trying to get Wikipedia to accept B donations.

We all know the real reasons why they don't do it.

Simply don't send them any support! I am sure they will be fine with fiat donations from others, and our conscience should be clear when we continue to use it for free!  Grin

Trying to convince them to accept it, makes us look desperate and needy.

As i've said before, if Bitcoin is big-enough idea to succeed, it's big enough to speak for itself now. We should just use it and improve it, and stop begging others to accept it.

When the fiat house of cards implodes in the right places, my bet is many entities will change their mind about B.

At that time, the ones that did not support B these days, will not get a satoshi or any other currency from me either...  Tongue  

Well put.  +1

+2 Although I think we need to keep putting out articles like Erik's to call out organizations who say one thing and do another.

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
We should approach one of wikipedis's competitors.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Main_Page is a good start.
Speaking of donations, when is the Douchebag Foundation going to accept Bitcoin?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I'm not sure, but I guess it has something to do with "fluidity duty".
legendary
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fucking coward

never used WordPress, but I think I will send them a little just because
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