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legendary
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September 21, 2015, 12:23:32 AM
#57
Boolberry also has a much slower emission schedule than Monero (xmr is 50% mined excluding tail emission as of this month). There are pros and cons to this.

It's exactly half the speed (literally divided by two in the code). I not saying that you're being misleading but somehow when I personally read "much slower" I think of like 1/10 the speed or something, but that may just be my own odd interpretation of it.

I was personally in favor of Monero running at something like half speed so I'm not criticizing here at all.
sr. member
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September 20, 2015, 11:51:01 PM
#56
update from cryptozoidberg!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12393633

leveldb

This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward.

Boolberry has many exciting things ahead!

How does boolberry compare to monero?  What is better,  what is worse?

I like Monero and it clearly has a much larger community than Boolberry.  There are several things I prefer about Boolberry but I don't like to use the terms "better" or "worse". Lets use the term "different". There is a lot of BBR and XMR community overlap and we try to help each other.

If you are interested in learning more here are a few of our technical differences (besides an official GUI which I think is not a huge deal because Monero has unofficial GUIs already and a web walet)

http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf (mixin issue as they relate to anonymity)
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf (pruning issues and blockchain bloat)

Boolberry also has a much slower emission schedule than Monero (xmr is 50% mined excluding tail emission as of this month). There are pros and cons to this.

This is the current Boolberry development focus which quotes a fair critique from a Monero core dev (smooth)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12454282

Most of things that distinguish Boolberry are technical right now. Monero is clearly ahead in adoption and services such as xmr.to and cryptokingdom help the monero economy. Boolberry needs to work on increasing usage and development of supporting services

cointopay.com recently added support for Boolberry which is a good start for us. We have many ideas but some of them will take time.
sr. member
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September 20, 2015, 11:33:36 PM
#55
update from cryptozoidberg!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12393633

leveldb

This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward.

Boolberry has many exciting things ahead!

How does boolberry compare to monero?  What is better,  what is worse?
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
September 20, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
#54
update from cryptozoidberg!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12393633

leveldb

This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward.

Boolberry has many exciting things ahead!
member
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September 11, 2015, 03:56:10 PM
#53
update from cryptozoidberg!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12393633

leveldb
hero member
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There is NO Freedom without Privacy
September 06, 2015, 12:55:30 AM
#52
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner

That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change

I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it

People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive.

Look, neither technology nor marketing really matters at this point in time in crypto. Everything is getting crushed. Sure there are pumps (today it is Bitshares, Litecoin, and a few others) but once the pump is over and we return to the regularly scheduled program, the march toward zero continues everywhere.

I doubt there is anything to be done at this point other than try to wait out the storm and prepare for sunnier days ahead, in case they come.

Bytecoin has been doing pretty good lately, up 10% today  Shocked
legendary
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September 05, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
#51
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner

That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change

I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it

People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive.

Look, neither technology nor marketing really matters at this point in time in crypto. Everything is getting crushed. Sure there are pumps (today it is Bitshares, Litecoin, and a few others) but once the pump is over and we return to the regularly scheduled program, the march toward zero continues everywhere.

I doubt there is anything to be done at this point other than try to wait out the storm and prepare for sunnier days ahead, in case they come.
sr. member
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September 05, 2015, 06:20:21 PM
#50
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner

That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change

I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it

People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive.
hero member
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September 05, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
#49
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner

That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change

I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it
full member
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August 30, 2015, 03:16:42 AM
#48
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner

That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change
sr. member
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August 28, 2015, 02:11:14 PM
#47
Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner
legendary
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August 28, 2015, 07:39:19 AM
#46
BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh.

Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time.

My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry!

I think CryptoNote coins should try to get along (except the big premine scam coin). Instead focus on proving anonymity superiority over CoinJoin based coins

There is nothing to prove. That ship sailed a long time ago. For example.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/622022840330682368

He happened to mention the biggest and most well known one but in terms of anonymity superiority over ad-hoc solutions with no proven or provable cryptographic security they are largely equivalent to each other.
sr. member
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August 28, 2015, 07:35:45 AM
#45
BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh.

Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time.

My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry!

I think CryptoNote coins should try to get along (except the big premine scam coin). Instead focus on proving anonymity superiority over CoinJoin based coins
member
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August 22, 2015, 10:57:57 PM
#44
BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh.

Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time.

My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry!
sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 12:08:36 AM
#43
Its time to get more active on social media and emphasize why Boolberry is important and unique. Lets start here:

On blockchain bloat:
https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3hjmuc/cryptonote_blockchain_bloat_and_the_unique
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/633855890945257472
source: http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf

On mixins and their impact on CryptoNote unlinkability:
https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3hjmfl/mixins_and_their_impact_on_cryptonote
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/633859728884367362
source: http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf

Feel free to share this information with anyone who cares about privacy.

Boolberry truly is one of a kind. Many technical advantages a fair launch and a user friendly GUI. Price remains low because there has not been much marketing or visibility yet. Lets focus on introducing more people to Boolberry so that we can gain some market adoption.
sr. member
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August 03, 2015, 11:30:50 AM
#42
BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh.

I agree with some of your comments regarding the size and quality of the Monero community.

Boolberry is much smaller but does have a community. SupernNet will help BBR gain some more publicity and grow larger. Our comparatively slow emission schedule is very friendly to adding new community members right now!

I like Monero but Boolberry does have some unique advantages and there is room for more than 1 successful CryptoNote coin. There is also a fair amount of community overlap. It is helpful for coins to experiment with different ideas and learn from each others success and failures. Monero and Boolberry are not mere clones. They can coexist.
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August 03, 2015, 05:28:57 AM
#41
BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh.
legendary
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=== NODE IS OK! ==
August 03, 2015, 02:33:50 AM
#40
So now monero actually needs a different coin to manage it's reputation?

outrage
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August 02, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
#39
Announcement!

Boolberry has been invited by a Monero subreddit moderator to discuss BBR in their subreddit.  Come join the discussion. Lets be thankful and polite as guests in their subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3fjs1s/monthly_monero_altcoin_discussion_mmad_august/ctp97p7

This is a good opportunity for us. Please participate in the discussion. Even if you love Boolberry you may learn a few things and decide to start supporting Monero as well
legendary
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August 02, 2015, 09:46:08 AM
#38
There was no massive premine or fastmine of BBR

I agree. To be more precise there was no premine or fastmine at all.

The per-block developer payment is a bit like a premine though, especially how it is structured (negative votes just defer payment, they don't actually reduce the total amount given to the developer, which is fixed at 1% of the total).

Still that is not at all massive by the standards of other coins with a developer coin grab.


You are correct. No fastmine or premine. Developer payment was disclosed since the beginning.

I agree 100%. Although not relevant to BBR, I've even said that an actual up-front premine, as long as it is honestly disclosed up front, is legitimate. People may buy or not buy it is up to them, at least there is nothing fraudulent about it.

In any case everything about the BBR parameters was properly disclosed.

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I should note that community development donations for many coins including AEON which you are working on far exceed 1%.

Yes, and you might want to consider donations for BBR. 1% of the block rewards is not very much. Donations apparently work better.
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