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Topic: 【BOT】 🌟 C.A.T. Cryptocurrency Automatic Trader 🌟 (New Price List 04/2021) - page 85. (Read 531503 times)

legendary
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Sampey, when I trade BTC/USD and I want to sell BTC high (PING) and rebuy it back low (PONG), then my win is in BTC, e.g. I sell 1BTC for 1000 and when it falls I rebuy 2BTC at 500, therefore my gain would be 1BTC.

However, the "cumulative gain" shows the result in USD instead of BTC.

Any market on any exchange is expressed as 2 Currency :
The Market Currency : is the currency you define by the value QTY
The Partner Currency : is the currency you use to define the price (and the total value QTY x PRICE).

Gains are expressed as PARTNER Currency. I can express also gain is Market currency, i have no problems about that.
BUT at GLOBAL Exchange level, i have no way to express a global gain as Market Currency but only at Partner Currency.

I mean :

if you trade on
BTC/LTC
and
BTC/XRP

As single market level i can express your gain as BTC or LTC
But at global market level i must group the gain to the common currency, that is the partner currency. In this case BTC.
newbie
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Sampey, when I trade BTC/USD and I want to sell BTC high (PING) and rebuy it back low (PONG), then my win is in BTC, e.g. I sell 1BTC for 1000 and when it falls I rebuy 2BTC at 500, therefore my gain would be 1BTC.

However, the "cumulative gain" shows the result in USD instead of BTC.

If you talk exactly about BTC/USD or USD/BTC markets, in almost all cases this means that actual market is USD/BTC on crypto exchange.
Which means you are trading with assets called BTC by using currency USD. This information CAT grabs from the exchange directly on API level.

In the crypto exchanges, some misspelling, and some incorrect information present. But mostly all of them mean that you trade and get profit in USD.
For example, bitstamp on all titles show BTC/USD, but in fact on tradeview, on API level, etc it's act like a USD/BTC.
I think in this case we could only ask Sampey to make a preference option, where the market pair could be swapped and calculated depending on user request. For example, if user want USD/BTC - everything is calculating with USD gain, with 'swap' enabled option CAT would start with BTC gain calculation.
Technically it's a depend on CAT's implementation: it would be hard or easy do this.
But my expectation that CAT is not ready for this feature and Sampey will deny such request.
newbie
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Sampey, when I trade BTC/USD and I want to sell BTC high (PING) and rebuy it back low (PONG), then my win is in BTC, e.g. I sell 1BTC for 1000 and when it falls I rebuy 2BTC at 500, therefore my gain would be 1BTC.

However, the "cumulative gain" shows the result in USD instead of BTC.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
@Capitan0Trueno

A very good read! Thank you so much for sharing your initial experience with CAT. And no, you are not the latest newbie around here. I am currently considering to buy a C.A.T. and I am really glad to have an example 10 days ahead :-)

Do you want an advice? Buy it.

The value proposition from Sampey is amazing. From the money you pay you get:

- A lifetime licence for current and all future versions of CAT. CAT is an active project in permanent evolution. Every month, or less, a new version is released with new features and improvements.
- You can trade from an unlimited number of computers, open an unlimited number or instances in each computer and trade an unlimited number of markets in each instance. Only limitation is your hardware and the total number of API calls per minute your exchanges will allow to you.
- The possibility to choose from a total of 20 different APIs (more to come), many of which are for free and buying several usually comes with a discount.
- First class support from the developer.
- And most important, if you want to sell your license in a future, you are allowed to sell it to another user.

In case you are wondering, I get no comission from Sanpey, it is just my independent opinion.  Grin

Just to be honest, few questions:
1. What is a percentage of profit with CAT that you are used from the time you buy it? It seems to me that is negative because of loss during dump of coins.
In my opinion - the value of the bot it's a not how great it could harvest coins during pump and bull's time, but in the ability to save it during dump.
It's a major problem of all trading software and I don't see big difference with competitors here.
So, literally saying it's a pretty branded car which is looks good, but very hard to drive, because it have great engine and no breaks;)

2. What products for trading you are compared to? Because how good or bad product it's a just relative to some other products.
Saying that something great or not great without comparing it's a nothing.
Support from Sampey is great, okay, but other products with well-defined documentation even don't require such support Smiley.
So, from the service point of view support it's great, but from product point of view it's a just covering of bad documentation:).
You asked support for same questions: logs, setting, preferences, losing money during trading, questions about algo, etc.
I asked about exactly same questions, every other user asked about exactly same questions. So, this question need to be covered in documentation, one time for all users. Not more.
But it's a Sampeys decision to change 'good documentation' to something called 'good support' that cover 'bad documentation'.  Your view about this that it's a pretty good feature, but my view that it's a shiny wrap of a bad thing.

Will you be happy if your car breaks down everytime, but you still have a good 24/7 phone call support who could help you with on-field repair?  I prefer car  that just don't breaks down so often.


3. When you talk about all these pros of software, do you really think that CAT is really possible to maintain with the unlimited number of computers? Because I think it's a not truth, because as you said before - CAT requires a lot of attention for each market. So, to be honest, it's a only 'marketing view' that in theory you could setup any number of markets. It real world you will be limited to the number of your hands that could control CAT 24/7.  So just don't need to tell unlimited, because it's practically not possible and don't have sense with current CAT.

I prefer not to declare what CAT is not really because from the Sampeys documentation or from your review for new users it looks like a 'money machine'.
In fact it absolutely does not. It requires a lot of time to learn, setup, maintain to have continuous profit and cover loss. And this note for some reason is hidden from the top view by showing nice wrapper about tons of features and great support. My strict opinion - Not fair to the customer.
newbie
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@Capitan0Trueno

A very good read! Thank you so much for sharing your initial experience with CAT. And no, you are not the latest newbie around here. I am currently considering to buy a C.A.T. and I am really glad to have an example 10 days ahead :-)
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1040
About C-CEX : i'm able to login, but exchange is TERRIBLY Slow

About XML auto-save backup i will check
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1040
Hello. Does C.A.T support ETH/USD and ETH/BTC on cex.io?
I want buy C.A.T, can I recive some trail for test (maybe not for live trade)?


hi, yes CAT support any pair
But there's no demo version sorry. You can pm me to have more info about CAT  Wink
newbie
Activity: 2
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Hello. Does C.A.T support ETH/USD and ETH/BTC on cex.io?
I want buy C.A.T, can I recive some trail for test (maybe not for live trade)?
hero member
Activity: 643
Merit: 501
Crypto Mentat
I also get these errors:

- Can not login C-Cex
C-CEX



I will sent file log to you by sms

Please check and fix it


yes, same problem with C-Cex, same message about that from CAT

tried to login with no success  Sad

I didn't trade there for a long time, so noticed the problem only recently, on CAT 5.0
copper member
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I also get these errors:
- Error write XML file when I click on file->save or automatic backup



- Can not login C-Cex
C-CEX



I will sent file log to you by sms

Please check and fix it
legendary
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newbie
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Quote
- He came here, probably without even reading the guide/tips & tricks section and asks for "universal parameter"/"always working parameter", nothing related to your specific example

I have "always working paremeter" setup which will give you profit for all time exchange is working.  Without any matter what is going on the market.
It need worked cat, working exchange and at least some trading volume on the market and of course some money for trade.
Single shortage of it - low-profit level which only up to few percent of the portfolio at a month.
So it exists for sure Wink

About universal parameters - I believe if instead of just rejecting his question you give him answers like I wrote in above message - he will agree. Its normal.
But you fall into extremes, with short answer: no examples.
It's a like a coming to shop, viewing price for item but no chance to see or test it and don't have any specs.
As a customer, I absolutely agree with him that before purchase it is normal to get some specific number/details/test period that allow to verify product.

Great feedbacks(that you mention) it's a nothing.
It's a only view of other people.
If you look to sport car, you can get tons of feedbacks that toyota is great, but is absolutely nothing comparing to porsche.
If you know what I mean;)


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Correct is "90% of settings are not used BY ME". That could be ok, but any CAT parameter is born from user request.
I can count a lot of different strategies from my customers. I can ensure you that 100% of CAT parameters are used.

You could insert statistics grabber to your application and see that it's a wrong.
I could give you 100% confidence that 90% of boxes inside the application is just for tick that such feature is present.
But it didn't do anything useful about trading and giving more or less profits.
It's a good that you follow user request, but I think you also know that many times users just don't know what they need:)
Now it's a exact same situation - a lot of features change the behavior of application, but it's a nothing to the trading algorithm. It's a like a button "I want pizza" in the    
rudder of your car. Someone (lest say 1 person from 1000) could use it once per year, but it still useless thing and naturally should be done by different things.


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I could start writing guide about any CAT parameter combination, but results will be
- I will quit coding
- I will write an enormous guide and result will be pm like "I Read your guide but can you explain me that thing......"/"Guide is too big, i just need to know how to......"

You need to have the balance between coding/testing/docs/support.
It's a natural way of any software product, no matter you are alone or team, it's a hobby or full time project.
I think spending some hours to increase the quality of manual will save a lot of more time during support.
Personally, I use not only your product in crypto world. Almost all are hobby projects.
But projects with great documentation even don't require me to ask anything at support. It's a real life fact.


legendary
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@harlan

i Agree with you.
But winnway had a different approach from what you suggest :

- He came here, probably without even reading the guide/tips & tricks section and asks for "universal parameter"/"always working parameter", nothing related to your specific example.
- My answer about your poing 1-2-3 is : yes i can give you example, but you must consider that CAT have so lot parameters that possible combination are exponential, this is why i prefer to give direct support via PM : because any customer have his needs.

The fact that few people write here about support is because they directly write me via PM, and i think my support is good, usually responses are immediate, about suggestions and troubleshootings.

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90% of settings users are not used, just because those such of settings don't need in 99% time of trading.

Correct is "90% of settings are not used BY ME". That could be ok, but any CAT parameter is born from user request.
I can count a lot of different strategies from my customers. I can ensure you that 100% of CAT parameters are used.

And the most important aspect about my project :
I'm an only one person, i'm not a team, i'm not a software house.
I have my private life but despite of that i'm usually sleeping less than 4 hours/day to continue gives support/code new features.
I must choose how to use my "Cat-Time".

- More than 95% Of CAT active customers are asking me for improvements/new features.
- Near 100% of customers directly PM me when they need some suggestions. Suggestions like "I need to do ...... How can i do it?"/"It is possible to....."

I could start writing guide about any CAT parameter combination, but results will be
- I will quit coding
- I will write an enormous guide and result will be pm like "I Read your guide but can you explain me that thing......"/"Guide is too big, i just need to know how to......"

Yes i agree that it would be very good to have
- A CAT site
- A CAT Forum
- A Developing Team
- A Support Center
- A Guide Center

BUT, this is not possible, so actually you have 1 Person who's coding this program since 2013 without stopping and trying to give the best support as possible and the best product as possible.

Hope you appreciate my effort.

newbie
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I am agree with winnway.
Lack of good examples for settings it's a big problem of cat.

For example you could look to the gunbot docs with charts on market and description of what and how it work.
But there absolutely nothing in cat docs about it.
Simple describing of each input box useless, for sure.
 90% of settings users are not used, just because those such of settings don't need in 99% time of trading.

I would suggest, that 3 examples of cat settings would cover most of time for mostly all of users.

1. Example for pumping/growing/bull market.
Show typical chart of pumping market (for example btc/usd at last half of year), show setting that allows to make gains in this market and show approximate gain for the portfolio in this case.

2. Example for dumping/bearish market.
Show typical chart of dumping market (for example btc/usd or eth/usb at last month), show setting that allows to make gains in this market and show approximate gain for the portfolio in this case.

3. Example for flat/low volatility market.
Show typical chart of low volatility market (for example usd/eur or some kind of btc/doge in last year). Do the same as before.

Just for this setting you could show chart like this :
https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/59677e86909fc/
Green arrow - buy orders, red - sell orders.
It's what my cat done in last few days in one of markets.
For this style of flat trading you need to set low limit, the high limit for pings, gain level for pongs, ping/pong step level, etc. Nothing hard, but as a template allow to cover any flat market.

So, for 80% of all time, you just could change preset for some market depend on it state and continue have profits instead of thinking on what need to be changed in settings.
It's a peace-of-cake comparing to the time hours spending for product development, but help the users a lot.

Example with TillKoeln when he setup 891 markets for catch big pump in low volatile coins it's a relly such weak example of cat usage as an automatical trading so I even don't want to hear such stories. It's a not conceived algo, just a hope for big pump and gain because of it.  Nothing better that manual buy of same coins, plate limit sell orders and wait when they completed. nothing about automatical trading.

Good trader don't require big pumps to make profit, it just need any kind of volatility for make gain. I believe winnway wants to inform this in his original questions.
legendary
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when this happens, i usually a temporary problem on exchange.
legendary
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legendary
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Hi Sampey,

I'm loving the new version of C.A.T, managed to get set up again - took a while

I'm wondering - is it possible for us to change the default values of ping-pong parameters - or do we have to use presets?

Thanks,
Starmman

Actually you need to re-set the preset.
But i could try to change that value in the coming versions  Wink
That would be awesome if you could - even if its an XML file and not in the UI.
newbie
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this is correct.
but please ...
this isnt a legit strategy...  
....
..
.


if you think about to order C.A.T Bot,  feel free to call my Name to sampey
if i remind correct, i receive in that case 0.05 btc from your purchase

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



I have the  Bot Myself TillKoeln, but i am like a neanderthol trying to figure out what a hammer is. so far alls i have done is smash a few rocks with it and lost some of my fingers from the ricochet...

I know its the downtrend, but i have had my initial learning portfolio go from 0.085 btc to 0.071 btc
only wanted to make 2% per week with this bot. ill get there
legendary
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unnamed.Exchange, join the Cool Kids!!!
this is correct.


but the biggest part are overal 4 coins out of all btc pairs...   4/891

this has nothing to say, and doesnt guarante that this happend a second time...



but my "idea" was basicly just to set on all markets some order, 
for the reason,   that i know myself ...  if i Need some Satoshi for anything other  like "Pizza delivery" ..  or similar

i have sold a lot of times in the past any random coins in some sell orders which are placed
by someone who "maybe" done this months ago ...  ^^


in that Moment i doesnt care about the Price,  i Need the few Dollar for the Pizza Taxi.





and yep .. you cant imagine how much "dumps"  i catch on markets which arent active for longer time ..
and you just Need to click through These "maybe" +200 Markets on yobit with trades neraby to Zero in the past 24 Hours..

i would say that aprox 30% Show you some coins dumped for less then normal
and 30% contains trades where user buy some coins with a spread higher then 100%



:-)

but please ...
this isnt a legit strategy... 
....
..
.


if you think about to order C.A.T Bot,  feel free to call my Name to sampey
if i remind correct, i receive in that case 0.05 btc from your purchase

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

newbie
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[/quote]
sampey quoted my global gain with 0.2 btc


buy low, sell high with min 50% gain and i had spend on all 891 btc pairs on yobit the min ammount of 10021 Satoshi
"normaly 10020" but These aditional Satoshi make sense if there are any"



[/quote]

Help me understand if my maths is wrong, but 10021 satoshis x 891 markets is 8,928,711 satoshi's or 0.089 bitcoins.

If your global gain was 0.200 bitcoin, you made 122% on your portfolio in ~ 4 days ? Is my maths wrong TillKoeln?
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