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January 30, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
#48
they're being handled. see: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

would be informative if that list would provide a summary of total moderation actions on a daily basis or weekly basis.

According to BadBear a while back they handle ~150 reports daily.

I think that was a long time ago when he checked. I'm sure it'll be much more than that now, especially with all these bots. I've nuked probably 20-30 today alone.
legendary
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January 30, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
#47
We are being showered with Viagra spam as I type.

 Cheesy
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January 30, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
#46
they're being handled. see: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

would be informative if that list would provide a summary of total moderation actions on a daily basis or weekly basis.

According to BadBear a while back they handle ~150 reports daily.
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January 30, 2015, 12:36:19 PM
#45
they're being handled. see: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

would be informative if that list would provide a summary of total moderation actions on a daily basis or weekly basis.
legendary
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January 27, 2015, 08:59:36 PM
#44
Where exactly is the patrol page?
For it to be visible you need to enable it in your account settings, it's under "Forum Profile Information". Check the box that says: "Show patrol link". The hyperlink is left top of the page, under "Show new replies to your posts" and above "Watchlist". Here's the link to patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

Thanks! I seem to have missed this somehow, in spite of all the months spent here.  Smiley
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January 27, 2015, 02:04:26 PM
#43
Where exactly is the patrol page?
For it to be visible you need to enable it in your account settings, it's under "Forum Profile Information". Check the box that says: "Show patrol link". The hyperlink is left top of the page, under "Show new replies to your posts" and above "Watchlist". Here's the link to patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
legendary
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January 27, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
#42
You can do that by using the "Report to moderator" button. If you only want to get rid of bots, they are normally only newbies so go over to the patrol page and report them whenever you see them. I'm sure the mods will appreciate it.

Where exactly is the patrol page?
legendary
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January 27, 2015, 06:53:55 AM
#41
I'd be willing to remove bot-made accounts - I'm pretty good at detecting and cleaning up forum spam Smiley
@mods: PM me when you think I can be trusted and the work would be useful.

Onkel Paul
You can do that by using the "Report to moderator" button.

Yup I'm already doing that when I see a spammy post, but most of the obviously spammy registrations don't even post.

If you only want to get rid of bots, they are normally only newbies so go over to the patrol page and report them whenever you see them. I'm sure the mods will appreciate it.

My offer was actually to reduce work for the mods by assisting in bot registration removal, not push work towards them Smiley
To me, the bots don't matter much, I don't even notice the non-posting accounts, and the spammy posts will be reported...

Onkel Paul
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January 27, 2015, 06:15:30 AM
#40
I'd be willing to remove bot-made accounts - I'm pretty good at detecting and cleaning up forum spam Smiley
@mods: PM me when you think I can be trusted and the work would be useful.

Onkel Paul
You can do that by using the "Report to moderator" button. If you only want to get rid of bots, they are normally only newbies so go over to the patrol page and report them whenever you see them. I'm sure the mods will appreciate it.
legendary
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January 27, 2015, 04:36:02 AM
#39
I'd be willing to remove bot-made accounts - I'm pretty good at detecting and cleaning up forum spam Smiley
@mods: PM me when you think I can be trusted and the work would be useful.

Onkel Paul
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January 25, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
#38
real madness, didnt though it would be 1 to 9  Shocked


That was probably a bit of an overstatement on my part. To be fair, I did a rough recount and about half had an obvious spam link in their profile. Of the rest, I'd say about half are genuine and half are bots although the fact that most new accounts have 0 posts makes it hard to guess. So that makes the proportion of bots to real accounts at around 3-to-1. Still there seems to be more bots than real users which I guess was my original point.
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January 25, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
#37
wow thats a lot of bots on that page are they all banned?
legendary
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January 25, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
#36
real madness, didnt though it would be 1 to 9  Shocked
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January 25, 2015, 06:00:42 PM
#35
I used to own a forum (sorry, can't share the link here) that ran on phpBB and this was a huge problem. By the end of the month, I'd have hundreds of bot-created accounts which all had backlinks on their profile page. Some tried to spam the boards. Others didn't post anything. Eventually I had to change the forum settings so that all new posts would need to be approved by me and any accounts that had no posts in a week would get pruned. My forum had a CAPTCHA although it was the weak one that's supplied with phpBB by default.

My WordPress blogs had a similar problem too except it involved the comments instead. The problem died down once I implemented Akismet.

Proposal: disallow profile URLs for newbie members?
And delete 0 message account every X months
And prohibit send private messages. One of them sent me spam about http://dogecoindouble.com/   Angry

I get spam PMs sometimes from newbie accounts too. I just ignore them and they usually disappear after a while.

Also that link is down at the moment. Looks like the site owner forgot to update their contact details.

I believe that nuking them won't do. It might remove the spam they create but spamming the forum is obviously not their goal. Deleting the account would also be problematic if it's done manually because you would be fighting bare handed against a machine. As I mentioned in a post I made about this, those accounts are probably made so websites can have backlinks. The forum needs to be protected from such automated account creation techniques, and I know it's hard to prevent this completely BUT it could at least become less meaningful with some small changes. Let's say that account's below Jr. Member position won't be able to use the forum's features to add links to their signature and website space. Take a look at the newest accounts. Most of them have 0 or 1 posts, but almost all of them have set a website address. Turns out the forum is vulnerable and someone is abusing this vulnerability to practice his blackhat SEO techniques.

After scanning through that list, it looks like bot-created accounts outnumber genuine accounts 9-to-1. There are some genuine accounts there though. For example, these accounts look genuine:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tortuyosi-418467
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bman84-418475
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sherskiotis-418479

Some of the bot operators do not put the links upon registration some wait up 1 to 3 weeks.

True, but I think those accounts are genuine because each made 1 post and they don't look like they were written by bots. A few months ago, hilariousandco discovered that some bots were copying other users' posts and reposting them as their own but a quick Google search should identify any accounts that use this trick.
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January 25, 2015, 05:42:33 PM
#34
I used to own a forum (sorry, can't share the link here) that ran on phpBB and this was a huge problem. By the end of the month, I'd have hundreds of bot-created accounts which all had backlinks on their profile page. Some tried to spam the boards. Others didn't post anything. Eventually I had to change the forum settings so that all new posts would need to be approved by me and any accounts that had no posts in a week would get pruned. My forum had a CAPTCHA although it was the weak one that's supplied with phpBB by default.

My WordPress blogs had a similar problem too except it involved the comments instead. The problem died down once I implemented Akismet.

Proposal: disallow profile URLs for newbie members?
And delete 0 message account every X months
And prohibit send private messages. One of them sent me spam about http://dogecoindouble.com/   Angry

I get spam PMs sometimes from newbie accounts too. I just ignore them and they usually disappear after a while.

Also that link is down at the moment. Looks like the site owner forgot to update their contact details.

I believe that nuking them won't do. It might remove the spam they create but spamming the forum is obviously not their goal. Deleting the account would also be problematic if it's done manually because you would be fighting bare handed against a machine. As I mentioned in a post I made about this, those accounts are probably made so websites can have backlinks. The forum needs to be protected from such automated account creation techniques, and I know it's hard to prevent this completely BUT it could at least become less meaningful with some small changes. Let's say that account's below Jr. Member position won't be able to use the forum's features to add links to their signature and website space. Take a look at the newest accounts. Most of them have 0 or 1 posts, but almost all of them have set a website address. Turns out the forum is vulnerable and someone is abusing this vulnerability to practice his blackhat SEO techniques.

After scanning through that list, it looks like bot-created accounts outnumber genuine accounts 9-to-1. There are some genuine accounts there though. For example, these accounts look genuine:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tortuyosi-418467
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bman84-418475
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sherskiotis-418479

Some of the bot operators do not put the links upon registration some wait up 1 to 3 weeks.
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January 25, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
#33
I wonder when will they stop, if they ever? It's just boosting member count with no purpose.

There is a captcha to create an account, how do they go over it?

Xrumer and many forum posting bots has built in OCR or Optical Character Recognition which enable the bots to read the captcha.

Can those get around the more sophisticated captchas though? Even I have trouble deciphering them sometimes. Also, what about the ones that ask you to solve a simple puzzle or question?

Xrumer can solve recaptcha and artificial intelligent questions like 2 + 2 ?. If xrumer fails in solving the captchas it will forward to services like decaptcher which uses real people to solve captchas.
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January 25, 2015, 05:21:29 PM
#32
I used to own a forum (sorry, can't share the link here) that ran on phpBB and this was a huge problem. By the end of the month, I'd have hundreds of bot-created accounts which all had backlinks on their profile page. Some tried to spam the boards. Others didn't post anything. Eventually I had to change the forum settings so that all new posts would need to be approved by me and any accounts that had no posts in a week would get pruned. My forum had a CAPTCHA although it was the weak one that's supplied with phpBB by default.

My WordPress blogs had a similar problem too except it involved the comments instead. The problem died down once I implemented Akismet.

Proposal: disallow profile URLs for newbie members?
And delete 0 message account every X months
And prohibit send private messages. One of them sent me spam about http://dogecoindouble.com/   Angry

I get spam PMs sometimes from newbie accounts too. I just ignore them and they usually disappear after a while.

Also that link is down at the moment. Looks like the site owner forgot to update their contact details.

I believe that nuking them won't do. It might remove the spam they create but spamming the forum is obviously not their goal. Deleting the account would also be problematic if it's done manually because you would be fighting bare handed against a machine. As I mentioned in a post I made about this, those accounts are probably made so websites can have backlinks. The forum needs to be protected from such automated account creation techniques, and I know it's hard to prevent this completely BUT it could at least become less meaningful with some small changes. Let's say that account's below Jr. Member position won't be able to use the forum's features to add links to their signature and website space. Take a look at the newest accounts. Most of them have 0 or 1 posts, but almost all of them have set a website address. Turns out the forum is vulnerable and someone is abusing this vulnerability to practice his blackhat SEO techniques.

After scanning through that list, it looks like bot-created accounts outnumber genuine accounts 9-to-1. There are some genuine accounts there though. For example, these accounts look genuine:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tortuyosi-418467
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bman84-418475
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sherskiotis-418479
legendary
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January 25, 2015, 01:33:37 PM
#31
I wonder when will they stop, if they ever? It's just boosting member count with no purpose.

There is a captcha to create an account, how do they go over it?

Xrumer and many forum posting bots has built in OCR or Optical Character Recognition which enable the bots to read the captcha.

Can those get around the more sophisticated captchas though? Even I have trouble deciphering them sometimes. Also, what about the ones that ask you to solve a simple puzzle or question?
There are sites that pay for captcha solving, and it seems that site uses same captcha after few refreshes.
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January 25, 2015, 12:01:59 PM
#30
I wonder when will they stop, if they ever? It's just boosting member count with no purpose.

There is a captcha to create an account, how do they go over it?

Xrumer and many forum posting bots has built in OCR or Optical Character Recognition which enable the bots to read the captcha.

Can those get around the more sophisticated captchas though? Even I have trouble deciphering them sometimes. Also, what about the ones that ask you to solve a simple puzzle or question?
You would be surprised what bots/computers are capable of. Plus there is mechanical turk that pays humans faucet amounts to complete these kinds of tasks.
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January 25, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
#29
I wonder when will they stop, if they ever? It's just boosting member count with no purpose.

There is a captcha to create an account, how do they go over it?

Xrumer and many forum posting bots has built in OCR or Optical Character Recognition which enable the bots to read the captcha.

Can those get around the more sophisticated captchas though? Even I have trouble deciphering them sometimes. Also, what about the ones that ask you to solve a simple puzzle or question?
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