Topic: Bought two Avalons, HUGE problems. Avalon is about to ship it to someone else??? - page 2. (Read 6442 times)

From what i've read (and im not taking sides just yet) You Funded Thiago's purchase of the second Avalon via a Loan.
Then when Thiago attempted to repay you, You refused repayment because he was (according to you) Drastically late.
Then you feel the right to ask for DOUBLE the bitcoins in repayment, That alone is fucked up since coin value has been increasing rapidly.
Since thats Not Gonna Happen, He then offers to buy your Bitcoin Rain account, But then you state:
"After you confirm here I will put my address to get the first 60 btc and  after the I get those coins I will put another address in this same topic."
Implying that he is going to pay you more than 60btc (wich is all fine and dandy if the rain account has some value/balace to it) wich is beyond the agreed upon Debt of 60btc!

You DID NOT PAY for an Avalon FOR YOURSELF, You FUNDED A LOAN FOR ThiagoCMC TO PURCHASE AN AVALON FOR HIMSELF.
You have No Rights to the Avalon unless there is an outstanding debt that is greater than 50% of the avalons value that YOU ARE UNABLE TO COLLECT
So far you are refusing to accept a bitcoin payment from ThiagoCMC who is constantly trying to settle this debt by sending you the amount owed!

Btw, Thiago, one thing remains untold, you did not have the coins to pay me back day 27, where did you get your coins from to pay me now?

thats the problem dude, he only paid one, I paid other.

once again, he will get what he paid for, from me(after mine to cover shipment costs) or direct from manufacturer
and I shall get the other one.

or he can stand up and come here to make what hes talked here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1699815

ThiagoCMC had better recieve the property that he paied for...

just because you paid for his second order does not make it yours.

rudrigorc2 = epic fail 

Glad I got to know this guy through this thread before ever conducting any business with him. Man! 

yes cheaper power. I was going to host and give remote access and charge for the service, obviously, but signs of abuse made me create this thread

my post still stands:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1699815

So that was for the cheaper power there isnt it? But the machines are still his? If so he can send it where he wants. Or did you have a contract so that the machines are yours too or that you earn from their earnings too?

This was sent as MP I think theymos can recover it anytime:

Go read whats going on within the brazilian community. then come back and edit your post.

Holy shit, rudrigorc2 should be slapped with a scammer tag right now. I'm surprised logic fails to overcome his greed.

There are laws for this on specific time periods people have to pay a debt before their collateral is reposessed. But a fair warning to repay the loan before confiscation, in any case, would seem like a rational thing.

Though, let's face it, this situation is quite irrational. Both parties want the machine that makes money.

Thing is, nobody is going to really care about Avalon's role in this mess. Like I said, they want their printing presses. As long as they get theirs, screwing over others is fine.

The first avalon was paid from thiago. He has a contract with avalon. The second was bought from thiago and paid by rudrigor. If he pays for another person that person still has the contract with avalon. And he paid for thiago because he had a contract with him about a loan. Even when the loan isnt paid back after the timeframe he cant force avalon to give him the avalon because he has no contract with them. He only has the right to demand the money back. And only the money that was agreed with the loan contract. Eventually some more as a reminder fee.

So there is no connection between rudrigor to avalon. He cant demand anything from avalon and avalon would breach the contract if they deliver to rudrigor.

That would be the rule in real world. Of course only if i dont miss some info.

So be it. Im ready to accept that offer.

After you confirm here I will put my address to get the first 60 btc and  after the I get those coins I will put another address in this same topic.

Sweet! +1

After thinking about it a bit more the whole issue of collateral does not matter because ThiagoCMC has expressed the intention, willingness and ability to pay the debt.  Once the debt (principal, agreed to interest, and agreed to penalties if any) is paid all claims to the collateral are wiped out.

Assuming you do have a collateral agreement, once the debt is paid you have no claim or right to the collateral so if you keep it you are a thief.

You must accept his payment.  Upon receipt of the payment you must release all claims to the collateral.

Please publish a signed repayment address so he can pay you.

If you don't realize it, this whole forum runs on greed.

rudrigorc2:

Unless you have proof that he agreed to use the unit or units as collateral for the loan, in other words do you have emails, PMs, IM logs, etc. that shows him saying that he agreed to collateralize the loan with one or more units then by your own admission this was an uncollateralized loan.  Did you agree to an interest rate?  Did you agree to payment terms and date?  What was the agreed to penalty for being late?  Did he agree that the units would be yours if he was late?  Please show us all the terms of your agreements with him by publishing the emails, PMs, IM logs etc.  If the units were never mentioned as collateral then they are not yours, take your BTC with whatever interest and penalties you two agreed to and stop all this fuss.

ThiagoCMC:

You should publish here the parts of the emails, PMs, IM logs, etc. where all agreements were made.  For example publish where you two agree to the terms of each and every loan and to the change of shipping address.  If you can prove that the change of shipping address was in no way related to collateralizing the loan (they were separate agreements) then he should not be able to take the units even if you were to default on the loan.  You said the terms of the loan were no interest so show where that agreement was made.  If there was no late payment penalty agreed to then you technically don’t owe him anything but the principal but it would be nice to pay him a little extra because you were late, if you were late.

This all boils down to exactly what agreements where made and then whoever is breaking the agreements and/or making up new things on the fly is the scammer.

Just change the address back to ThiagoMC and rudrigorc2 accept your loan repayment and all is solved!
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