[Bounty Cheater] Please help tag this users.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 06:31:28 AM

You probably didn't tell the moderators directly. Yesterday I made an additional request for a ban, and finally, this account is banned. In addition to plagiarism, he had many more useless posts.

Well, I guess that they've expected some more reports or they just like/trust you more. My report (only one, why spam the mods?) from 11 January was Unhandled yesterday morning. Now mine is also Good.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 20, 2022, 04:32:56 AM

I don't even know what else I can do. I don't have anything personal against that account, hence after 3 posts in the Plagiarism topic and with one report too, I guess I will just ignore that account, since I've done my part.
That's also why I "feel the pain" of Pandu Geddon with his work/findings getting basically ignored.

You probably didn't tell the moderators directly. Yesterday I made an additional request for a ban, and finally, this account is banned. In addition to plagiarism, he had many more useless posts.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 20, 2022, 02:49:41 AM

* get more attention

I understand that. including as the OP did by creating his thread about accounts found to be fraudulent in the campaign.
but maybe I'll set this path aside. as there is already a well-moderated thread here regarding the linked account. I believe continuing there is for the best.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 20, 2022, 04:16:49 AM

TL;DR: Tag 'em yourself, but try to get at least one DT member to back you.

yes, I always try to get support from DT. including the bounty manager who is a member of DT.
I made a report for the account of a fraudster who was caught in their campaign (or happened to be in the same campaign). and they are happy to tag everything.
in the case of a finding that does not have the support of a DT member, I will mark it. Thanks for the advice and experience.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 20, 2022, 04:20:45 AM

Violation in plagiarism is usually not marked with a negative tag. You just need to provide proof of plagiarism, for which they are actually punished with a complete ban.
One thing to remember when you create a post about plagiarism, you must also submit a report to a moderator. This almost always works flawlessly.
As the moderator himself recently said:

I've even merited that post, hence I clearly didn't miss it Wink

Before I didn't know I have to report too, but after that post I've also reported it. Still, nothing has happened. And yes, I know that the punishment is ban.

I don't even know what else I can do. I don't have anything personal against that account, hence after 3 posts in the Plagiarism topic and with one report too, I guess I will just ignore that account, since I've done my part.
That's also why I "feel the pain" of Pandu Geddon with his work/findings getting basically ignored.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 20, 2022, 02:49:41 AM

I can tell that I've made reports too (in my case for plagiarism) and nobody handled them. Sometimes it just happens... You may have to insist more and do as you think it's better.

Violation in plagiarism is usually not marked with a negative tag. You just need to provide proof of plagiarism, for which they are actually punished with a complete ban.
One thing to remember when you create a post about plagiarism, you must also submit a report to a moderator. This almost always works flawlessly.
As the moderator himself recently said:

Quote from: mole0815 on January 11, 2022, 05:36:53 AM

And as a very general info on behavior when you find abnormalities.
The thread here can be used as a reference - But the decisive factor is the click on "report to moderator" because in my opinion none of the mods actively reads this thead.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on January 20, 2022, 02:10:07 AM

I want to ask, so we members who are not DT members are allowed to ask DT members for help to mark findings of deviant behavior such as bounty cheaters?

Sure man, it's a free forum and you can ask DT members to tag cheaters all you like--as long as you provide sufficient evidence, because if you don't you're just going to get ignored. The way OP did it in this thread was perfectly acceptable, but it's up to individual DT members as to whether they want to tag cheaters, scammers, or whoever. DT members aren't some unified group that works together; it's just a bunch of members who happen to have high trust ratings, and not all of them are scam busters.

Quote from: Pandu Geddon on January 20, 2022, 02:10:07 AM

next question,
how to report in the "Known Alt" thread. for non-DT members, who should negatively tag caught accounts? or we or anyone who finds the catch can tag them?

You can certainly do it yourself if you catch someone cheating, though if you're not on DT the member probably won't even notice they've been tagged. Some years ago I wasn't on DT but had tagged a whole bunch of members for buying/selling accounts. The day I made it onto the DT list my inbox was flooded with requests to remove the feedback I'd left, because it now carried more weight and those members' trust scores showed up red.

TL;DR: Tag 'em yourself, but try to get at least one DT member to back you.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on January 20, 2022, 02:10:07 AM

I just want a broader view, when the report gets no response. What is the problem? less strong evidence. Or are there other rules and regulations for the person who will make the report?

Not enough evidence can be a reason. But I think that another reason is to find DT members that are available and have the willingness to properly check your findings, especially if they are not overwhelming (I say it hypothetically, with not relation to your posts, I didn't check them that good).

And asking DT for help would (as long as you don't spam) :
* get more attention
* help you make better reports if necessary
* get the users tagged

I can tell that I've made reports too (in my case for plagiarism) and nobody handled them. Sometimes it just happens... You may have to insist more and do as you think it's better.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 20, 2022, 12:24:30 AM

I agree, and I think OP did the right thing here-

I want to ask, so we members who are not DT members are allowed to ask DT members for help to mark findings of deviant behavior such as bounty cheaters?
So far I've only provided information to bounty managers, and those who negatively tagged this account.

next question,
how to report in the "Known Alt" thread. for non-DT members, who should negatively tag caught accounts? or we or anyone who finds the catch can tag them?

as an example of a report that I made.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58628321
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58657263

I don't mean to bring up an old topic. I just want a broader view, when the report gets no response. What is the problem? less strong evidence. Or are there other rules and regulations for the person who will make the report?

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 14, 2022, 11:36:04 AM

Actually posting all the evidence and asking DT flag is also a pretty good course of action.

I agree, and I think OP did the right thing here--he wants negative trust with some oomph to it, if you know what I mean. The sad fact we all know is that not all negs are created equally; DT negs will change a member's trust score and display the bright red color to members who don't have a customized trust list. Asking DT for help and presenting solid evidence was the right way to go.

Unfortunately these look like junk accounts that could easily be replaced, because they're just being used for bounty (cheating) activities. So the owner likely isn't shedding any tears that his reputation is destroyed or anything like that. It's always so much more fun when members with real reputations get busted for shady shit and bukkake'd with DT red.

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There is no need for much explanation or keeping them long, the cheater has already admitted to have multiple accounts so why not DT members sanction those accounts so that they will be restricted from doing other campaigns. one thing is that before tagging any account of being connected, please also keep note to know that most bounty participants who heard little knowledge about how to trade or swap their token also send out to their teacher or guider to help them convert to their local currencies. At this point the beginner has no option than wait for their teacher to send them gas to be able to swap, so while tagging wallets and address this may be another reason must people have much accounts and all could got destroyed or being tagged.

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On continuation of this topic here's another user contacted me, pretending to be a victim after I removed him from campaign and put a comment of a "cheater/cheating" and connected with the accused users above.

Account: whatcoinorg

Quote from: whatcoinorg on December 27, 2021, 08:04:56 AM

#Proof of Authentication
Bitcointalk Username: whatcoinorg
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whatcoinorg-296778
Telegram Username: @haldbora
Joined Campaigns: Twitter and Facebook

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Address

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BEP-20 Address: 0x9BF793d65EC456310c3440Dcf5d79bA16D5f7426

What happened

After busting the accused accounts above, it happen that the reports of the cheater imprinted in my mind and while checking a while ago I saw a report that's similar to the accused users and what I found that they have the same report.

The user claiming that someone was pretending to be him and copying his social media where in fact he is the one who probably copying the report of other or probably same group using the same template to report?

Proof

Here's one of the report of Murit:

2. https://web.facebook.com/windaaul11/posts/318322213516360 | Which was posted January 8 at 8:31 PM

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and here's the report of whatcoinorg:

2. https://www.facebook.com/MehranKeyv/posts/692243375096773?_rdc=1&_rdr | Which was posted January 10 at 8:47 PM

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Conversation with the user

https://imgur.com/3nttns8

The address of this users is not connected with the accused accounts addresses it is probably this user randomly copy the report of others (which is I don't think coincidence for copying cheater's report) and I cannot check the other reports of whatcoinorg since the FB accounts of the accused users above changed to private/deleted since I cannot see the reports of the the other reports of the accused users and only the FB of Murit is working.

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@dkbit98, @NeuroticFish, @lovesmayfamilis, @Stalker22.
I didn't expect this conversation to continue.Meanwhile, I'm just revealing a little of the reason why I no longer tag fraud accounts at the end of the description on the main topic and one more thing, that it's (not about making a new drama). I hope you understand. Also, Do not take it wrong the speech of this language which may be difficult to understand. So, this is the last time I say here.
@joeperry, sorry for my noise. Thank You!

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 15, 2022, 05:36:58 AM

Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

Btw I'm not part of the nut that forgets the skin. Of course I respect him, I also learn a lot from him. Honestly, I don't mind his criticism from him or your suggestions. it's just that I tend to be sensitive since that incident , lose enthusiasm etc.

Slightly off-topic, but necessary.
I did not find any criticism of you in my answer. Also, I don't see myself participating in the recent drama that you made up.
As far as I know, I have always supported you, but your emotions probably fail you on every occasion. Maybe it's a translation problem, I don't know.

As I recall, Awaklara contacted me on PM and requested I remove the trust from his account (which I refused to do, and instead changed it to neutral). Even after reading his confession in the post he linked to, I am still not sure why the "incident" caused so much drama for him. In my opinion, he overreacted.

Police officers should be used to stepping on someone's toes. That's just part of the job. Wink

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

Btw I'm not part of the nut that forgets the skin. Of course I respect him, I also learn a lot from him. Honestly, I don't mind his criticism from him or your suggestions. it's just that I tend to be sensitive since that incident , lose enthusiasm etc.

Slightly off-topic, but necessary.
I did not find any criticism of you in my answer. Also, I don't see myself participating in the recent drama that you made up.
As far as I know, I have always supported you, but your emotions probably fail you on every occasion. Maybe it's a translation problem, I don't know.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 14, 2022, 11:36:04 AM

4. If you get have many busted scammers/cheater and you've tagged them it may get you faster into DT (just a hunch).

He was already in the DT ranks, but the slightest criticism knocked him out of action, and at his request, he stopped being there.
What to do, time, and the forum will make it stronger.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

but as a form of self-awareness because I don't have thick skin

I would take the point there in being somewhat more careful to avoid mistakes.
And, as said, I would grow thicker skin. You'll need it bot inside and outside this forum.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 14, 2022, 01:45:56 PM

The Thick-Skinned Gang

I'm not sure we need such a gang. I mean, if half of the forum would qualify for that gang, then I'd call it "the society", not a gang.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on January 14, 2022, 11:57:10 AM

@joeperry, starting today you can flag fraudulent accounts in your own campaigns, without asking DT for help again, use them wisely, and according to the rules of this forum.
BPIP

He can still tag a cheater even though he is not on the DT1 trust list. I've tag dozens of accounts cheater and I don't trust them, without a DT status I guess it doesn't matter because whichever user I tag, then I can see it displayed ^{[not for anyone else].} Apart from that the OP will remain in DT2 status as long as you are elected to DT1, but if you are downgraded to DT2 then all the accounts he is tagged with will not show red trust in profile if no other DT1 put him on trust list. But I think it's safe now, there are 2 others DT has tagged all cheaters accounts.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

To clarify the answer here and I have since stopped tagging cheaters since then too. I don't take it as a personal matter. but as a form of self-awareness because I don't have thick skin.

You have to first ask the thick skin gang leader LoyceV for permission to let you join his gang.
After that you will notice that your skin will be thicker and thicker every day, and forum noise wont affect you anymore.

The Thick-Skinned Gang needs to have a new brand and a logo... maybe something like this, I heard LoyceV have a strange hidden feet fetish:

PS
Maybe GazetaBitcoin can hire some designer for this work on his Gangs of BitcoinTalk Cheesy

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 14, 2022, 11:36:04 AM

I don't know about "last month's incident"

To clarify the answer here and I have since stopped tagging cheaters since then too. I don't take it as a personal matter. but as a form of self-awareness because I don't have thick skin.
Yes, retaliatory feedback has occurred but I don't really mind it.

Quote from: YOSHIE on January 14, 2022, 11:57:10 AM

You misinterpreted what @lovesmayfamilis said, the aim is good, criticism is necessary for future changes, I used to also experience advice and criticism that made me want to quit it all, but over time that the criticism is justified I can't stop for the good of all especially the manager and the forum that's on my mind.

Btw I'm not part of the nut that forgets the skin. Of course I respect him, I also learn a lot from him. Honestly, I don't mind his criticism from him or your suggestions. it's just that I tend to be sensitive since that incident , lose enthusiasm etc.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 11:25:44 AM

I understand exactly what you are saying.

You misinterpreted what @lovesmayfamilis said, the aim is good, criticism is necessary for future changes, I used to also experience advice and criticism that made me want to quit it all, but over time that the criticism is justified I can't stop for the good of all especially the manager and the forum that's on my mind.

A detective should not face criticism and suggestions that we find emotionally frustrating, think clearly and healthy it's all for the good, The more people advise you, the more professional you will be at your job.

While you find fake accounts with solid evidence which means not presumptions the more professional people respond, to you in doing the job, accepting criticism means that we are more willing to change and do our best in the future, not the other way around we become people who are not confident.

@joeperry, starting today you can flag fraudulent accounts in your own campaigns, without asking DT for help again, use them wisely, and according to the rules of this forum.
BPIP

Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

it's just that I tend to be sensitive since that incident , lose enthusiasm etc.

Oh yes i got it now i didnt follow that thread at all, so, now do what is best for everyone and forum, I support you in that, the spirit is back, must not wither for good, not for personal interest, for togetherness.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 14, 2022, 10:27:39 AM

If you don't flag the cheaters you catch, what's the point of doing this at all. What are we changing?

Actually posting all the evidence and asking DT flag is also a pretty good course of action.
OP has posted some, Awaklara added even more evidence and now the cheaters are painted in red.

Quote from: Awaklara on January 14, 2022, 08:22:10 AM

I've stopped tagging accounts, since last month's incident. but if I'm allowed to tag them, then I can do it.

I don't know about "last month's incident", but you should keep in mind some important things:
1. Since you're only Full Member, it sometimes can be a bit "risky" (may need a better choice of word here) for you tag others, since retaliatory feedback do happen.
2. Since you're not DT many may ignore your tag.
3. If you are certain about somebody, I don't see any really good reason not to tag him. And yes, errors can happen, we are humans. In such case apologize and move on.
4. If you get have many busted scammers/cheater and you've tagged them it may get you faster into DT (just a hunch).

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