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Topic: Bounty FullHouse casino plagiarized the whitepaper from Shuffle - page 2. (Read 782 times)

legendary
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They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.

Too bad for them not to acknowledge their mistakes here and they really don't know how everything works in this community that they insist to you, being their campaign manager that they haven't done anything wrong instead of just making things corrected in the first place.

Also if I may suggest that you lock the signature campaign thread and have all the discussion here.

Good decision, and thanks to the OP for making you and the community aware of this plagiarism.
legendary
Activity: 2086
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Logo Designer ⛨ BSFL Division1
They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.
Did they already send you any money for signature campaign?
Before this I saw you created new topic to announce it and than you close it after you heard about this news.
This was very uproffesiona lfrom them to copy text from other casino and BABY SHOES maybe saved some people from losing money.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Marketing Campaign Manager |Telegram ID- @LT_Mouse
you made the right decision. I think bounty managers who are currently still active should also do it. (has anyone told him yet?)
I sent him a DM and asked to take a look at this thread. He hasn't been online yet.
hero member
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They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.

you made the right decision. I think bounty managers who are currently still active should also do it. (has anyone told him yet?)

I don't know whether the Bounty campaign funds are in escrow, but the calculations in the spreadsheet are now entering week 2. The bounty manager does not use a stake calculation system but uses USDT/Week allocation. but it looks like payments haven't been distributed for the first week.
campaign participants must also be warned, otherwise they will not get anything.
copper member
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Interesting.

Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
Based on your whitepaper, you've launched just this April of 2024 whilst for Shuffle, they've been launched in February of 2023. Since you are saying that they probably have picked a part of your whitepaper but it shouldn't be the opposite because they've launched earlier than you? and there's no way that both of you are sister company based on what you have said, so there's no connection between you and shuffle.

Shuffle whitepaper was launched recently last February 2024 that you can refer to this x post https://x.com/shufflecom/status/1758010545083699399?s=61.

But still Shuffle published their Whitepaper itself before full house since they just started last April same year. It’s funny how this fullhouse representative play the victim card here while it’s too obvious that they are the one who copy.

They should just admit that they use Shuffle whitepaper as based with their own and ask Shuffle permission to avoid plagiarism.
Shuffle released that on February and Fullhouse released theirs on April, so with that, still shuffle was the one to release theirs first.

Your reply is what exactly I said, Shuffle is indeed the original owner of this whitepaper format. What’s diabolical here is the fact that fullhouse claiming that Shuffle is the one who copy their work.  Cheesy

They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.

Salute! You earned my respect for declining this clown job offer.


Supported the flag. It’s just dumb for them to stick with their claims despite all evidence was against them.
legendary
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Marketing Campaign Manager |Telegram ID- @LT_Mouse
They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.
hero member
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They dont have connection. I didnt know both were pretty much same until I saw this thread.
If they have no connection then surely FullHouse copied the white paper of the Shuffle or whatever I said in my first comment could be true. The writer who wrote those white papers might be the same person. The casinos often hire writer for their white paper writing and that's why they could unintentionally hire the same person.
hero member
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Interesting.

Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
Based on your whitepaper, you've launched just this April of 2024 whilst for Shuffle, they've been launched in February of 2023. Since you are saying that they probably have picked a part of your whitepaper but it shouldn't be the opposite because they've launched earlier than you? and there's no way that both of you are sister company based on what you have said, so there's no connection between you and shuffle.

Shuffle whitepaper was launched recently last February 2024 that you can refer to this x post https://x.com/shufflecom/status/1758010545083699399?s=61.

But still Shuffle published their Whitepaper itself before full house since they just started last April same year. It’s funny how this fullhouse representative play the victim card here while it’s too obvious that they are the one who copy.

They should just admit that they use Shuffle whitepaper as based with their own and ask Shuffle permission to avoid plagiarism.
Shuffle released that on February and Fullhouse released theirs on April, so with that, still shuffle was the one to release theirs first.

I have no experience in gambling, but I noticed that shuffle domain has been operating since 1998. The content of the site was completely different from the current one. Is this normal on gambling sites?
Aside from what efialtis has mentioned, the name itself of shuffle seems to be a common word that has various meaning. And we get that a lot, that some common words have been already registered as domain so it won't be surprising that the current owner of it have probably bought it from the one who had made it bak then on 1998.
hero member
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Maybe this two casino websites are connected in some way or they are owned by the same people, but it would be best if we can hear from both Shuffle and Fullhouse.
I think one of the managers have connection with them so wait until making further accusation, but this was a good investigation from BABY SHOES.

They dont have connection. I didnt know both were pretty much same until I saw this thread.

Well we didn't expect that a gambling casino will copy other's white paper, and perhaps Fullhouse thought that they can get away with it. But thanks to the prying eyes of the OP to see the plagiarism and making the community aware and you suspending the signature campaign for the time being.

So let's see how it goes for them, it's a bad first step in this community. But if they are honest about it then they can admit with he mistakes and correct it right away and then maybe they can still in this very competitive niche.

Kudos to you as well for suspending the signature campaign until tell settle the issues.
legendary
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Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
I'm sorry but would you mind explaining this further? After reading your post, it sounded like you are saying Shuffle copied you and not the other way around but your current reasoning isn't really enough, so a more detailed information would be good.
legendary
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I've tagged the representative and flagged the account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3310
flag supported, If nothing new happens within 48 hours, will tag that account.



I have no experience in gambling, but I noticed that shuffle domain has been operating since 1998. The content of the site was completely different from the current one. Is this normal on gambling sites?

This happens in pretty much every competitive online marketing niche. People/Companies like to get aged domains for multiple reasons (mostly SEO). Domain age is one of many metrics search engines take into consideration for ranking. Aged domains usually also have incoming backlinks (another important metric) and to sum it up, they are more "trusted" in Google`s eyes. If you build a project on a brand new domain, it will basically take years before you start seeing similar results (same efforts), that`s why SEOs love aged/expired domains. Wink
legendary
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I've tagged the representative and flagged the account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3310
flag supported, If nothing new happens within 48 hours, will tag that account.



I have no experience in gambling, but I noticed that shuffle domain has been operating since 1998. The content of the site was completely different from the current one. Is this normal on gambling sites?
hero member
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It's no doubt Fullhouse is a copycat of Shuffle.

1. Shuffle was launched on Feb 2023 while Fullhouse was launched on April 2024.

Proof:
Shuffle had archived version in Feb 2023 https://web.archive.org/web/20230201125400/https://shuffle.com/
While Fullhouse only had archived version in March 2024 https://web.archive.org/web/20240327063331/https://fullhouse.gg/

2. Has exactly same words, colors and graphic on the whitepaper. Usually few casinos have a same terms and privacy policy because they use "generated text", but having a same whitepaper is no way possible.

3. Has similar loading page.



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copper member
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Interesting.

Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
Based on your whitepaper, you've launched just this April of 2024 whilst for Shuffle, they've been launched in February of 2023. Since you are saying that they probably have picked a part of your whitepaper but it shouldn't be the opposite because they've launched earlier than you? and there's no way that both of you are sister company based on what you have said, so there's no connection between you and shuffle.

Shuffle whitepaper was launched recently last February 2024 that you can refer to this x post https://x.com/shufflecom/status/1758010545083699399?s=61.

But still Shuffle published their Whitepaper itself before full house since they just started last April same year. It’s funny how this fullhouse representative play the victim card here while it’s too obvious that they are the one who copy.

They should just admit that they use Shuffle whitepaper as based with their own and ask Shuffle permission to avoid plagiarism.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Marketing Campaign Manager |Telegram ID- @LT_Mouse
Maybe this two casino websites are connected in some way or they are owned by the same people, but it would be best if we can hear from both Shuffle and Fullhouse.
I think one of the managers have connection with them so wait until making further accusation, but this was a good investigation from BABY SHOES.

They dont have connection. I didnt know both were pretty much same until I saw this thread.
sr. member
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Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
So you're saying just because Shuffle doesn't have DAO Governance that they have less information?

No!!! It's like Shuffle doesn't take part of Fullhouse, you take all of Shuffle in their white paper.

You only change from Shuffel to Fullhouse while the rest of the paragraph remains the same.
Like in the Wager-to-Vest tab Shuffle calls him Tommy while Fullhouse is Marc's.

The graphics are the same the text is the same only the name is changed?

legendary
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Maybe this two casino websites are connected in some way or they are owned by the same people, but it would be best if we can hear from both Shuffle and Fullhouse.
I think one of the managers have connection with them so wait until making further accusation, but this was a good investigation from BABY SHOES.
Footer is showing different ownership information for this casinos:

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Fullhouse.gg is owned and operated by Unexpected Ltd., registration number 15651, registered address Hamchako, Mustamudu, Autonomous Island of Anjouan, Union of Comoros. Contact us at [email protected]. Fullhouse.gg is licensed and regulated by the Government of the Autonomous Island of Anjouan, Union of Comoros and operates under License No. ALSI-042402014-Fl4. Fullhouse.gg has passed all regulatory compliance and is legally authorized to conduct gaming operations for any and all games of chance and wagering.

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Shuffle is owned and operated by Natural Nine B.V., Curaçao company registration number 160998, with its registered address at Korporaalweg 10, Willemstad, Curaçao. Shuffle is authorized and regulated by the Government of Curaçao and operates under License No. 8048/JAZ issued to Antillephone. Shuffle’s payment agent company is River Card Limited, Cyprus company registration number HE 431566, with its registered address at 50 Spyrou Kyprianou Avenue, Irida Tower 3, Floor 6, 6057 Larnaca, Cyprus. Contact us at [email protected].
hero member
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I don't believe there could also be plagiarism in this regards, why is it that some people can just belittle the potential in them in thinking constructively to produce results by introducing a new thing, instead they will only covet on others achievements and success for their own work to build upon, this is not something good enough and we should encourage others by motivating them with what we have discovered and not what we have downgraded upon.
hero member
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Interesting.

Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
Based on your whitepaper, you've launched just this April of 2024 whilst for Shuffle, they've been launched in February of 2023. Since you are saying that they probably have picked a part of your whitepaper but it shouldn't be the opposite because they've launched earlier than you? and there's no way that both of you are sister company based on what you have said, so there's no connection between you and shuffle.

I believe it's not exactly plagiarized white paper but it's written in similar formatting and that's why I believe the one who wrote the white papers might be the same person. However, if both casinos have no issue with it then it won't be bothersome of someone else. Let's see what Shuffle says about this.
Exactly. What is interesting here is, maybe if any of them hired the writer of their whitepaper then that's the kind of work he had done and submitted to either of them and just did copied the format and modified it. The format are really likely so let's hear them out to get some clarity. Nice find OP.

hero member
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Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.
So you're saying that Shuffle has copied some information from Fullhouse whitepaper. I believe it can be coincidence or the one who wrote the white papers for both casino might be the same person. But, if it falls into plagiarism then both casinos should talk on this topic.

I believe it's not exactly plagiarized white paper but it's written in similar formatting and that's why I believe the one who wrote the white papers might be the same person. However, if both casinos have no issue with it then it won't be bothersome of someone else. Let's see what Shuffle says about this.
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