Topic: Bounty Star is a Scammer (Read 654 times)

I don't think I understand. I thought the bounty being discussed on this topic, Bitcoin Future, has successfully being paid and distributed? The bounty manager themselves gave a TX ID for the payment.

Aside from that, we are actually emphasizing on his project that chitted the hunters by manipulating tokens to other strange wallet

It is very difficult for a bounty manager to handle the project but there are many managers who pay. But Bounty Star has not seen this manager make any payment till date. So these are the entire project team's control manager only manages the bounty.
But bounty star manager should avoid scam projects. Controlling the projects that will be successful. But instead of doing that scam projects are controlled by Bounty Star.

Avoid Scam Project Bounty Star Manager.

Creating a managing might not be the best solution because bounty hunters are still going to look for ways to cheat and abuse the system.
You can consider @holydarkness suggestion and at the end or maybe during the mid of the campaign you can go through the spreadsheet yourself (if you're not the one managing the sheet) and look for accounts that are registered but not active in the forum, like the ones provided by Op. So that they can be removed.

And you're correct about bounty hunters having and using alt accounts to participates in bounty campaign and that's the main reason why I had to stop hunting for bounty hunters alts because even if their account end up being neg-tagged it will only take them a couple of minutes to create new ones and continue with their cheating activity, so everything seems like a wasted effort to me.

If I may give my two cents, I think the best solution you can do right now is to handle the spredsheet yourself, it'll greatly limit the possibility of same incident to happen. A lot of bounty manager has this approach, I can name one or two BM who work alone, tackling all the weekly report and updating spreadsheet all by themselves.

I am not sure how busy you are with your real-world job, but suppose you have a hectic schedule and can only spare little time on bounty managing daily, perhaps you will want to make a rule where only you on the team that can add, remove, accept, and reject participants in the spreadsheet. If you have to outsource a spreadsheet manager, they can only input stake, count posts, and such, without control to adding or removing new participants.

I understand the situation, as it happened without a noticing of us as we were not concerned about the situation one can do and I hope you understand us too and look forward to our active escrowed and regular campaigns.

For future clarification about distribution issue if the question comes, we don't do anything without the permission of the project team like we don't distribute or release tokens for escrowed campaigns before the team agrees. And for regular campaign we just have the agreement of the team, if the project is dead we have nothing to do. We can just try to connect with the owner.


Yes, we are also looking for a solution and very concerned about the spam/scam issue. We are planning to develop a concept of not using google doc form anymore. We are developing an idea of building our own managing tool where users can be blacklisted, auto reject ghosted accounts using necessary api's and so on. In some previous campaign we already tried to use our beta application to reduce ghosted and fake accounts but it was not perfect thus we had to use hired people again. So, All we can say right now, pray for us and let us help to contribute something. Thank You

Just as the discussion is going on, the OP just came in with enough proof of more cheating accounts just as @Nwada001 has suspected and asked.

So what's your take on this issue?
Are you still going to pay all participants of your campaign the looted amount?
You might be very busy with other campaign management or probably with other Jobs, but still I will still suggest you go in the sheet you self and run a properly digging which you could have done earlier before now, to be sure of how much damage your hired sheet manager have done with funds allocation.

From the look of things there is also some possibilities of more accounts being find out on the sheet.

Ahh, forgive me, I misunderstood your post. I thought on the sentence I underlined, you were referring to OP and a counter-accusation, as in he did a poor work and using alts on your campaign.

I understand correctly you're saying and admitting that it's one of your team that cheated the participants and thus one of the concern here is valid? May I know your plan to prevent this same situation from happening --or currently happening, suppose you have an active campaign-- in the future?

To proof my claims the more, i decided to dig more further and i discover that most of the below names has not been active for a year, so how come about those high stakes given to them and how their names were able to enter the spreadsheet when i believe it just you and your spreadsheet manager has access to editing adds etc, also you claim that your spreadsheet manager may have alter with the spreadsheet, is it not your responsibility as a manager to maintain transparency by making sure stake are carefully allocated?.

below are more 12 proof of how you and your team manipulated the bounty hunters rewards by inputing below names in other to made away with almost all the bounty Allocation.   



1)  Forum Username: Sulfar15
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sulfar15-3242740
this username was last seen on December 26, 2022, 03:32:35 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
proof: https://imgur.com/jXdkxZd


2)   Forum Username: Johajon
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johajon-3450836
this username did not Submit POA, Registered or submitted any report since from day one of the bounty, so how come he got the highest stakes
proof: https://imgur.com/801mUIK



3)  Forum Username: Shadrboehm43
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shadrboehm43-3284378
this username was last seen on June 22, 2022, 06:29:51 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/iXbzlq3



4)  Forum Username: Time2time
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/time2time-3484688
this username was last seen on December 11, 2022, 04:02:10 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/Tmirakg



5)  Forum Username: Skil7skil
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/skil7skil-3425383
this username was last seen on August 10, 2022, 12:38:00 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof; https://imgur.com/z97KboN



6)  Forum Username: momin1234
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/momin1234-3494662
this username did not Submit POA, Registered or submitted any report since from day one of the bounty, how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/ahIXtAw



7)  Forum Username: Florin Andone
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/florin-andone-3200848
it was on: March 04, 2023, 03:35:35 AM this username submitted his POA and has not for once submitted bounty report but was the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/mqMkzAL



  Forum Username: Tarek75
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tarek75-3412940
this username did not Submit POA, Registered or submitted any report since from day one of the bounty, how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/Sg19wf7



9)   Forum Username: windycolton90
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/windycolton90-2630777
this username last post was on 24 Nevember 2022 and did not register the bounty so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/undefined




10)   Forum Username: Kasun3538
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kasun3538-2867075
this username was last seen on January 17, 2023, 05:21:23 AM and did not submit POA nor register the bounty so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/ZNto2et



11)   Forum Username: sohidulsk99
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sohidulsk99-2344846
this username was last seen on March 13, 2022, 04:29:37 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/mB7tlAB



12)  Forum Username: ranabilal059
Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ranabilal059-2675727
this username was last seen on September 06, 2022, 04:14:21 PM, when the bounty has not even started so how come he got the highest stakes
Proof: https://imgur.com/l4EkBCW

What can I do now? What you're wanting actually, Be more straight forward. It seems same questions again and again. I've answered that previously, Please take a look carefully.


As I can understand the common mistakes of a BM

- Updating stake
- Not updating stake
- Successfully distribute
- Failed to distribute

There is type of people who always spams. If they received payment, starts asking why it’s low amount and if not received then BM is scammer.

Some participants spams that normally in regular basis.

To be fair, only four out of six users mentioned by OP is not registered, yashmahfuj1200, kenaz198, INMYROOM, and dammyzee1, the other three has an PoA history. Unfortunately, the tabs on their spreadsheet did not list each participants' address, it's only shown on a dedicated tab, without username, alongside the amount dued on each campaign for each wallet instead of the sum of every campaign gained by an user, so we can't exactly know which address is belonged to who.

I take a time to look at the archived spreadsheet for yashmahfuj1200, they're rewarded as follows:

• Twitter: 14.5799
• Telegram: 14.8182
• Article: 68.9530
• Tiktok: 44.0314
• Total: 142.3825 with probably some rounding error

An interesting thing to point out, such amount was not listed on the "distribution" page, however one transaction on the payment proof that BM provided shows a transfer 142.3826 to an address, 0xb1...55c8, that's never enrolled on the campaign --at least that's what I get from a quick search-- but somehow still listed on the distribution page with amount dued 14.8182 --not 142.3826-- and nothing more. A little bit curious about this.

Next, I take a look at INMYROOM and dammyzee1:

• Twitter: 17.4959
• Telegram: 17.7819
• Article: 68.9530
• Tiktok: 55.0393
• Total: 159.2701

• Twitter: 17.4959
• Telegram: 17.7819
• Article: 68.9530
• Tiktok: 55.0393
• Total: 159.2701

the number did not show on the distribution page or at bscscan for both account.

Do that mean bounty star caught the cheaters and cancel their payment prior to sending them to every eligible participants? Probably. Do that mean bounty star split them and made them lost in between that nameless-address-only distribution tab? Also probable. But I sure as hell am not interested on labelling each address on that tab with each participants just to find out what address(es) stand out from another. Anyone interested is welcome to do it, though.

As for kenaz198,

• Twitter: 17.4959
• Telegram: 17.7819
• Article: 68.9530
• Tiktok: 55.0393
• Youtube: 84.9090
• Total: 244.1791

the amount he got, 244.1791, is shared with 16 other people. Like above, I find little to no interest on tracking all these address to connect them with each participants. Maybe later, if I'm feeling bored and have some free time at hand, maybe I won't, but certainly I am not doing it now.

One thing that I am more interested to know about is how these three addresses ends up on the spreadsheet. Bounty Star, correct me if I'm wrong, the only people who has access to add, edit, or delete entries on that spreadsheet is you and your spreadsheet manager, correct? And both of you input entries into the spreadsheet based on the data submitted by participants? So how come --at least-- four accounts that never enrolled, didn't post a PoA on your bounty thread, ends up in your spreadsheet? Some was never heard of on this thread for years, even. How could such mistake happened?

And that is the main purpose of this thread. Not about reimbursement or you paying the difference of what participant should get. It's about your credibility and the assumption that you deliberately input entries based on non-existent participants so you can take a portion the bounty allocation to your own pocket... at least that's what we want to know. I think OP only interested on stirring the pot, as they never came back after posting here.

While for the proof that you asked, OP had already give it on the opening post, it is proven that four entries on your spreadsheet are not based on a real enrollment, so now it's your time to give your proof.

Every manager need to face it. Even bounty hunters uses alts which is not possible for a manager to trace perfectly as the responsibility is given to the sheet manager,

We didn't necessarily dive deep to check whether data is 100% accurate or not as never thought of this type of traceless alts.

I've already asking for the proof from OP on my previous post. He is not active anymore after creating this topic and I hope you don’t believe a random word and will not blame anyone without proof. 
And previously I said, "I believe it will not be much amount." Cause almost all participants are happy with the amount of payment.

We will pay the participants who didn't receive fair amount for those alt if it’s the main purpose of this topic, that is the better way of this issue from our side.

It depends on participants, It’s not possible for anyone to pay if accused much more alt. And it’s also possible that there is no more alt without those

At least you have admitted that those profiles were eventually not active, and as such, the OP's accusations are, to some point, right. 

Even the four (4) accounts listed by the OP are completely using a different wallet, which those users have never used before in this forum. 

Aside from that, you as the overall bounty manager are you not supposed to be checking the progress of the work and how correct the data that are input are?
Talking about paying off the 5–6 accounts listed by the OP from your management fee, how sure are we that there are no more accounts yet to be figured out that fall under this same category? Probably the sheet manager might have added enough alt accounts to eventually make away with the 80% claim by the OP? 
If you are to pay off those accounts, to whom are you paying it?
What if more accounts are discovered again? Will you also take the blame and pay off for those accounts as well?

He directly said without any proof, According his finding (research) We stolen 80% of allocation. So I would be happy if he share the proof of that 80% allocation.

And according to this complaint, I can see he shared some accounts that are really inactive. Actually this spreadsheet is managed by our sheet manager. It seems, he did not work carefully or it is his alt. We should have been aware of this beforehand, so I'm not avoiding our fault.

Now, I would like to know what can we do at this situation.
I believe it will not be much amount.  So if a participant wants to take their reward which is reduced for those 5-6 accounts, we can pay it from our salary of the next campaign. I think that's the highest we can offer.

If I understand the OP correctly, his accusations weren't directly that you took out 80% of the total allocation straight to your pocket, but that you used your alt accounts or other random dead accounts from the forum, which are not active at all in any way, and those accounts were added by the management (anyone who has access to the spreadsheet) a few days before the distribution was to happen, and these few names added were never on the campaign from the start, no link to proof of registration, no report link. But the listed names happen to have the highest stake in the campaign and receive the highest pay. 

So I believe the OP means you used those accounts to collect those funds from the campaign to avoid any trace. So even if the transaction is being checked, all that can be found there are wallets that receive funds, and we don't know who is actually the owner of those wallets. 

Sorry for late response. Yes, I agreed with that neutral trust. We failed to catch the fake participants properly at this time. Recently, the scammers and spammers increased hugely. And requesting to consider that, I am already aware of that.

But I completely deny that we have stolen the allocation.
OP randomly said"80% of the bounty Allocation stolen by Bounty Star (us)" So
I want to invite to check the TXID of distribution- https://bscscan.com/tx/0x56152269bdac1174b98fa69d3a980d0d7d066ace0114fba9ac2dd63ca0879215

I hope everyone believes that the current situation of bounty is not that good. Many managers and participants came and made and making it shitty. That's why I said, we won't oppose the decision to remove the entire bounty board from BitcoinTalk if the day really come.

There are still someone who dream to live in crypto. We already built a free to use decentralize app platform where various crypto solution tools would be available. Currently we are working on building optimistic multisender - https://starsverse.app/  Normally, it will cost less transaction fess and have plan to make an official documentation on production. And more products are loading which needs time as we are doing using our pocket. And we choose management to introduce us with some crypto related people. There are many facilities in this profession, We can easily complete the introduction part with some great agency, founder, advisor, etc even with exchanges

I condemn that,  it’s very easy to say anyone scammer. Without thinking 2nd time without any confirmation he just set the title bounty star scammer.


Edit-
What do you want to say actually, Yes there are hurry cause allocation in USD and we are already holding the tokens. There are possibility to reduce token price and if reduce it can't meet the allocation of $15k USD.  We finalised spreadsheet after end of campaign, Even We've give them chance to complain about missing stakes- https://t.me/bountystar/36060

Do something meaningful.

I am giving them a generous benefits of doubt and would like to consider the silence was due to a workload because they're finalizing one campaign... or so, from what I perceive by glancing at their group chat, instead of deliberate action. A chat to their group --effectively-- informing all of the admins about the existence of this thread has been sent.

from what Cantsay posted, it's obvious that he ^{Bounty Star} doesn't care much about this forum or understand its value. For him, this forum is just a source of bounty hunters to justify in front of his employers that he was still doing something. A neutral or even negative tag won't change anything, because he doesn't care.
Unfortunately, neither the bounty hunters nor their employers seem to pay attention to such warnings. I guess they think that creating cheap but useless noise on social networks is a good thing.

Unfortunately there's still no change or development from my side, the admin of bounty star haven't replied to my chat or even read them, will probably try to reach them again through the group chat later today.



While for their message you screenshotted, I think that's not what they tried to say and you misinterpret it. They were not saying they are letting go and hiring four different people in a row, they're saying that they have to change the spreadsheet four times during the duration of certain bounty because people keep asking for revision, changing their database --I think most likely they're referring to address--, complaining for missing stakes, etc., which they consider as something they can't afford to keep on going and keep "compromise with the rules" because it's participant's responsibility to keep the data being submitted "clean" --worth mentioning that the rules of no address change is applied by many BM--, hence the new set of rules below the paragraph stating that no data may be changed after initial submission, complain will only be handled by the end of the bounty and no more late submission.

there's no problem with hiring someone to manage the spreadsheet. but now he will be more careful to choose someone more professional in work. because mistakes were made under his management, of course, BM had to suffer the consequences.

and I hope that some people's suspicions about BM are not true. that the accounts are alt from BM and intentionally included in the campaign. because he has published several campaign bounties, and it might also happen in his other campaigns.