Bounty stats by rank+possible security issue

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: Kakarot01 on September 02, 2018, 02:33:21 PM

I can expect for Facebook and twitter on a few crusades a rate around 60-75% of jr member like me and amateurs. The majority of them are abusers, however none considerations, director, CEO of ICO, the greater is the number progressively the spam it will be and increasingly the chief will earn.You can likewise ask to somebody to scrap those information it will be a simple thing, however I have no ability to do as such.

Most likely you are right about social campaigns being populated largely by Jr. and even lower, but its hard to imagine that there would be a lot of abusers. I mean , the twitter and fb should pay like 5$ each and would it actually make sense to farm and scheme accounts for this purpose.

Anyhow, I think that even if i had the option to scrape, it would not make sense to scrape certain member ranks but rather match them against some database.

Kakarot01

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I can expect for Facebook and twitter on a few crusades a rate around 60-75% of jr member like me and amateurs. The majority of them are abusers, however none considerations, director, CEO of ICO, the greater is the number progressively the spam it will be and increasingly the chief will earn.You can likewise ask to somebody to scrap those information it will be a simple thing, however I have no ability to do as such.

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: Welsh on August 30, 2018, 04:46:10 PM

Quote from: hotforblockchain on August 30, 2018, 04:42:33 PM

Can you elaborate, how would you think community should point out these members? With trust?

I can't answer for Piggy, however bad management of campaigns is certainly a trust system related thing. Unfortunately for us there's just so many different users posting bounties everyday that tagging all of these would take a huge amount of time, and they'll just make a new account, and thread anyway.

It seems reasonable.
i think it would be rational to concentrate to those managers who are running the biggest campaigns and several campaigns at once.

PS I am wondering if i did leave this negative trust to someone who do not protect user data, what stops them to retaliate to me with negative trust Huh

This is scary.

Welsh

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on August 30, 2018, 04:42:33 PM

Can you elaborate, how would you think community should point out these members? With trust?

I can't answer for Piggy, however bad management of campaigns is certainly a trust system related thing. Unfortunately for us there's just so many different users posting bounties everyday that tagging all of these would take a huge amount of time, and they'll just make a new account, and thread anyway.

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: Piggy on August 30, 2018, 05:26:25 AM

i think all this fall into the same concept/idea heard before: the community should be pointing out managers which are not able to to their job and deal with it without any divine intervention

Otherwise would have been nice to have to be confirmed as a bounty manager and then given the privileges to actually post a new thread under the relevant boards. Everything would probably be much cleaner and professional.

Can you elaborate, how would you think community should point out these members? With trust?

Welsh

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Quote from: jackg on August 30, 2018, 07:20:09 AM

Not to mention the "great project" spam that appears in the altcoin announcements section...

I'd suggest removing signatures, avatars and personal text altogether wouldn't be a bad idea...

Yeah they are annoying. I don't think that's related to signature campaigns though. That's more related to the companies behind the projects wanting to get their threads bumped, and are willing to pay big money for it. Think of it as a less legit way to go about things than bounty campaigns.

jackg

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Welsh on August 30, 2018, 06:25:08 AM

Quote from: jackg on August 30, 2018, 05:52:09 AM

I doubt that will change, it seems like it will makethe forum bery centralised unless you say "everyone with more than x good reports can be a campaign manager" or something but then you might have to look into permabanning everyone who doesn't have the accreditation to be a manager which seems slightly mean (although it woudl work)...

Yep. So, maybe we should look at adding rank restrictions in the bounty section. Only the bounty section. The other altcoin sections are probably fine. Most of the spam is coming from those wearing bounty signatures anyway. Well, if we are ignoring the bumping services that have plagued that section.

Not to mention the "great project" spam that appears in the altcoin announcements section...

I'd suggest removing signatures, avatars and personal text altogether wouldn't be a bad idea...

lukeburchill

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the teams behind the projects

I don't know the actual process, whether every manager can know/ask about the team behind the project or just ask how much salary will be earned.

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Yep. So, maybe we should look at adding rank restrictions in the bounty section.

or, at least who should be the manager must be SR above even though this doesn't guarantee but at least they have the fear to keep their pride (banned or in redtrust)

Welsh

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Quote from: jackg on August 30, 2018, 05:52:09 AM

I doubt that will change, it seems like it will makethe forum bery centralised unless you say "everyone with more than x good reports can be a campaign manager" or something but then you might have to look into permabanning everyone who doesn't have the accreditation to be a manager which seems slightly mean (although it woudl work)...

Yep. So, maybe we should look at adding rank restrictions in the bounty section. Only the bounty section. The other altcoin sections are probably fine. Most of the spam is coming from those wearing bounty signatures anyway. Well, if we are ignoring the bumping services that have plagued that section.

jackg

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Welsh on August 30, 2018, 05:47:16 AM

Quote from: lukeburchill on August 30, 2018, 05:40:43 AM

when talking about campaign managers, actually Pugman has given instructions which managers are worthy of being employed.

obviously, this problem is not just the campaign manager and the participants but the campaign owner is also involved in this.

The thing is we all know who the capable managers are, and the best ones for spam control, and all that. However, the teams behind the projects that want the advertisements don't usually care for the forum. They just want their advertisement to have as much exposure as possible. Unfortunately the promise of free money usually gets them what they want. Currently, there's no restrictions on who can become a signature manager, and until that's changed we'll continue having this issue.

I doubt that will change, it seems like it will makethe forum bery centralised unless you say "everyone with more than x good reports can be a campaign manager" or something but then you might have to look into permabanning everyone who doesn't have the accreditation to be a manager which seems slightly mean (although it woudl work)...

Welsh

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Quote from: lukeburchill on August 30, 2018, 05:40:43 AM

when talking about campaign managers, actually Pugman has given instructions which managers are worthy of being employed.

obviously, this problem is not just the campaign manager and the participants but the campaign owner is also involved in this.

The thing is we all know who the capable managers are, and the best ones for spam control, and all that. However, the teams behind the projects that want the advertisements don't usually care for the forum. They just want their advertisement to have as much exposure as possible. Unfortunately the promise of free money usually gets them what they want. Currently, there's no restrictions on who can become a signature manager, and until that's changed we'll continue having this issue.

lukeburchill

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when talking about campaign managers, actually Pugman has given instructions which managers are worthy of being employed.

obviously, this problem is not just the campaign manager and the participants but the campaign owner is also involved in this.

Welsh

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 29, 2018, 06:06:19 PM

Wow, I didn't even realize how many participants there were for all those bounties. Betcha about 40% of those are alt accounts across the different bounties, and probably within single ones as well.

Yeah. I would say even more. Its so painfully obvious sometimes too. Yet, they get away with it, and profit from it. At the moment they are allowed to be lazy, and if on the off chance they get caught they'll just use another one of their hundreds of Jr member accounts.

Looks to me there should probably be a limit of who can post in the bounty section. I've said in the past that I'm not for restrictions, but in this case I think its the best option.

Piggy

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i think all this fall into the same concept/idea heard before: the community should be pointing out managers which are not able to to their job and deal with it without any divine intervention

Otherwise would have been nice to have to be confirmed as a bounty manager and then given the privileges to actually post a new thread under the relevant boards. Everything would probably be much cleaner and professional.

TheBeardedBaby

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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Great analysis, so the conclusion is that the weakest link here are the bounty managers, actually that's where the main forum SPAM problem lays. Uncontrolled and unaware of how to manage a campaign, everyone can be a manager, and some projects don't really care who they hire, as long as they can scam a few ether it's fine.

Let's be honest, those guys need to be controlled like c'mon some of them /a big part tho/ don't even care about the participants and scam all over the place. Just latest example is TokenSuite.
This is not job for everyone, even experienced manager like Atriz can made a mistake as he did, but there were consequences, and what about all the newbies posting in Service "hire me as a bounty manager"
Shall we look for a solution or only excuses?

I know theymos is busy, but that's why we are here to be a community and do those things together as we have enough power.

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 29, 2018, 06:28:47 PM

In my experience as cheaters hunter I can assume for facebook and twitter on some campaings a percentuage around 80-90% of jr members + newbies, yes most of them are abusers, but noone cares, manager, CEO of ICO, the bigger is the number more the spam it will be and more the manager will earn. (even if multiaccounts)
In the past I've found users with over 100+ accounts so in my opinion this 80% can be a real thing.
You can also ask to someone to Scrap those data it will be a easy thing, but I have no skill to do so.

Vou. This is staggering number that you have came across. 100+ accounts Huh

You have some good points, they actually dont care as long as their marketing strategy pays off. Possibly the only thing that stops campaign of being shady is reputation and or ethics of manager but his is rare.

Quote from: athanz88 on August 29, 2018, 09:45:25 PM

That is not an alarming things and it is not in the hands of the forum moderations tho, in my opinion. If people does not like those rules, then they are free to leave because the choice is in your hands. What is alarming now is that people are still joining on that kind of bounty campaign, and then doing the spamming, and when their email is compromised, they blame the forum. That is the problem right now.

Hypothetically. If we assume that these hacks happen because of these managers who cant even do their job right.
Moderators have to constantly work on hacked account cases, right? This takes a lot of their time to research every case individually. Then maybe it makes sense to tackle the problem at its roots rather to deal with consequences?

Bahokiki

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Suggestion to the moderators of bounties (altcoins)

What if we set criteria for jr.members? I mean every bounty must set number of merit that must jr.members have

Example

Jr.members (must have minimum of 5 merits) = 1 stake/week

Jr.members (must have minimum of 3 merits) = 1stake/week

atleast we lessen the jr.member participants
And by this they will be force to post such quality content to get merit which is very hard to get.

And if they beg for merit, we must report it.
Merit sellers will increase their price and jr.members more likely not to buy hence they will quit or post good contents

Just a suggestion guys

Piggy

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on August 29, 2018, 05:44:53 PM

While i was going trough these campaigns I noticed one alarming thing, some of the managers are doing a poor job of protecting data. With data I mean emails of users, I found that 2 of 11 bounty campaigns did not protect sheets and emails of users can be easily copied. This is alarming because emails in wrong hands could lead to hacked accounts, could this be the reason why there are so many hacked accounts constantly?

I do think that these managers should be warned and in case they dont listen - marked as untrusted members, i would not want to trust my data with someone who dont lock their spreadsheet.

I don't know about the red trust, but for sure there are a lot of improvised bounty manager which don't know what they are doing, i mainly wonder how they get the job in the first place, probably with very competitive prices?

athanz88

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It is true that money attracts people and we have seen the accuracy of the sayings in this forum. People will do anything to gain money, even with a bad way.

Quote from: Thirdspace on August 29, 2018, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: hotforblockchain on August 29, 2018, 05:44:53 PM

While i was going trough these campaigns I noticed one alarming thing, some of the managers are doing a poor job of protecting data. With data I mean emails of users, I found that 2 of 11 bounty campaigns did not protect sheets and emails of users can be easily copied. This is alarming because emails in wrong hands could lead to hacked accounts, could this be the reason why there are so many hacked accounts constantly?

I do think that these managers should be warned and in case they dont listen - marked as untrusted members, i would not want to trust my data with someone who dont lock their spreadsheet.

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That is not an alarming things and it is not in the hands of the forum moderations tho, in my opinion. If people does not like those rules, then they are free to leave because the choice is in your hands. What is alarming now is that people are still joining on that kind of bounty campaign, and then doing the spamming, and when their email is compromised, they blame the forum. That is the problem right now.

rab2005

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There are more than a point
- Jr member accounts for spam and campaign
It is natural to develop with many of them to become knowledgeable and spread the idea of their priorities.
In addition to making money this is a reality and we have to deal with it and that the old members help them in this way.

The other point is the low-level posts for high-ranking
I think this needs a pause.
The management of the forum asks new members for a good level of participation in order to gain points of merit
And then raise their ranks.
On the other hand, very high rank holders are posting weak posts.

As part of the solution.
If the administration has been able to issue a decision to reduce rewards for high-ranking
this may involve the return of those to their senses.

Sorry, because my English is weak
I am trying to learn now Cool

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