Brave and Binance Partner to Bring Crypto Trading Directly Into the Browser

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Quote from: malevolent on April 05, 2020, 04:44:59 PM

Even moving on to new accounts would probably not be enough without you changing your behaviour, the way you use the browser, things you search for, etc.

Even then it makes next to no difference. Google keeps a log of your IP address, your computer hardware, your browser fingerprint, even the resolution of your screen and which fonts you have installed. This is all enough to de-anonymize you and link different browser profiles or accounts together.

These are obvious enough that a lot of people know about them (Panopticlick is about 10 years old) and can be fought with limited success given enough perseverance, but consciously going against deeply ingrained habits is probably the hardest part (if not impossible).

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Quote from: malevolent on April 05, 2020, 04:44:59 PM

Even moving on to new accounts would probably not be enough without you changing your behaviour, the way you use the browser, things you search for, etc.

Even then it makes next to no difference. Google keeps a log of your IP address, your computer hardware, your browser fingerprint, even the resolution of your screen and which fonts you have installed. This is all enough to de-anonymize you and link different browser profiles or accounts together.

If you absolutely must use Chrome, have you looked in to use a version of Chromium which is move privacy respecting? Ungoogled Chromium, for example. (GitHub: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium). It should still be fully compatible with all the extensions you need, while still being faster than Chrome because it has all the unnecessary Google tracking, spyware, and bloatware stripped out.

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Quote from: malevolent on April 05, 2020, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on April 04, 2020, 03:32:10 AM

Oh don't worry I know Chrome is evil like that -- I have a specific Google account just for that, with a wrong IP and wrong details and even wrong language. Can be really curious to see the different ads and results it shows you depending on where it thinks you are and who it thinks you are.

That alone won't be of much help, especially if you keep using the same account. Even moving on to new accounts would probably not be enough without you changing your behaviour, the way you use the browser, things you search for, etc.

I know I can't beat the system but actually, that is almost how I would describe how I do. My behaviour constantly changes -- clients change and the things they need or want are so different -- I'm always changing even sizes and dimensions, and which page I choose to click a result from.

I'm heartened by the fact Google keeps suggesting things that make me feel it doesn't get me at all. Different accounts with different locations still gives me very different results. Thinks I've been to places I will likely never go in my lifetime thanks to extensions that store and load up certain pages.

You're right in the end, I know. But still fun to play with Google.

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Quote from: buwaytress on April 04, 2020, 03:32:10 AM

Oh don't worry I know Chrome is evil like that -- I have a specific Google account just for that, with a wrong IP and wrong details and even wrong language. Can be really curious to see the different ads and results it shows you depending on where it thinks you are and who it thinks you are.

That alone won't be of much help, especially if you keep using the same account. Even moving on to new accounts would probably not be enough without you changing your behaviour, the way you use the browser, things you search for, etc.

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@o_e_l_e_o as someone who lived through the 1990s, building my first sites on Tripod.com and seeing Geocities friends, you build up a natural dislike for any kind of intrusive ads so YES the way Brave shows you a paid ad is annoying AF, but to be fair, you need only switch off ads and they don't bother you. I honestly tried it out to see how much BAT I could get. It's about 0.1 BAT every half hour or so but again depends on my IP at the time I view.

I loved Firefox. I grew up on Netscape so my transition to Mozilla was natural, and then I moved to Firefox because Mozilla couldn't handle the more modern sites coming up plus better extension support but ever since being forced to a slew of google services (freelancer, and clients now basically do everything on google) I've found Chrome to be faster (and better extension functionality). I still have firefox but it's a big bother now to use both.

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Quote from: buwaytress on April 04, 2020, 03:32:10 AM

Yeah, the way I get my ads from Brave is a small pop up on the bottom right, if you click on it the ad opens in a new tab and you get BAT.

That sounds annoying as hell, but I have a particular hatred of pop ups, notifications, dialog boxes, and anything else that opens up on my screen unprompted.

The images I have seen (such as on this page: https://brave.com/binance/) show a Binance ad and widget being displayed on the "New tab" page. Perhaps you need to update to the latest version of Brave before you see it? I have no desire to download it to find out, though.

Quote from: buwaytress on April 04, 2020, 03:32:10 AM

Can be really curious to see the different ads and results it shows you depending on where it thinks you are and who it thinks you are.

As someone who only browses the internet via either Tor or a VPN, there's nothing (except captchas) more annoying than sites who region lock you based on your IP address.

Quote from: buwaytress on April 04, 2020, 03:32:10 AM

I simply don't trust anything and take what they say at face value.

Agreed, which is why you should stick to open source software like Firefox.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 04, 2020, 03:28:01 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on April 02, 2020, 12:39:06 PM

Strangely, I actually haven't seen the big binance banner yet when opening a new tab but I have seen it a couple of times in the Brave pop up that comes every now and then.

What pop up is this? Are you saying Brave browsers is now serving its users with pop up ads?

Quote from: buwaytress on April 02, 2020, 12:39:06 PM

I never did trust its claims about privacy and all that, and to be fair, it is probably still better than most alternatives, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

If privacy is what you are interested in, you should realize that Chrome is the worst of the worst. Particularly if you are browsing while logged in to your Google account and have used that Google account to log in to a bunch of other stuff too. As much as I dislike the way Brave is going, if I could only choose between it and Chrome, I would choose Brave every day of the week.

Yeah, the way I get my ads from Brave is a small pop up on the bottom right, if you click on it the ad opens in a new tab and you get BAT. So that's the only way I've seen Binance ads.

Oh don't worry I know Chrome is evil like that -- I have a specific Google account just for that, with a wrong IP and wrong details and even wrong language. Can be really curious to see the different ads and results it shows you depending on where it thinks you are and who it thinks you are.

I honestly don't care what browsers or any software claims. I simply don't trust anything and take what they say at face value. As I said though, the way I use browsers for work with a lot of extensions and clients all on Google, Chrome simply works better at the moment. Brave is perfect for casual browsing though!

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Quote from: buwaytress on April 02, 2020, 12:39:06 PM

Strangely, I actually haven't seen the big binance banner yet when opening a new tab but I have seen it a couple of times in the Brave pop up that comes every now and then.

What pop up is this? Are you saying Brave browsers is now serving its users with pop up ads?

Quote from: buwaytress on April 02, 2020, 12:39:06 PM

I never did trust its claims about privacy and all that, and to be fair, it is probably still better than most alternatives, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

If privacy is what you are interested in, you should realize that Chrome is the worst of the worst. Particularly if you are browsing while logged in to your Google account and have used that Google account to log in to a bunch of other stuff too. As much as I dislike the way Brave is going, if I could only choose between it and Chrome, I would choose Brave every day of the week.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 01, 2020, 09:04:11 AM

Brave browser started off as such a great idea, and has just become more and more awful as time goes on. Claiming to be anti-tracking, but allowing trackers from Facebook and Twitter to follow you all over the web. Claiming to be pro-privacy, but enforcing KYC requirements from a third party. Claiming to be anti-advertising, and then slap a Binance ad on every new tab for every user. It's clear that desire for more profit has now taken over as the driving force behind Brave.

Strangely, I actually haven't seen the big binance banner yet when opening a new tab but I have seen it a couple of times in the Brave pop up that comes every now and then. Gotta say my Brave usage is dropping day by day though.

I think after initially liking Brave, I've now returned to Chrome, and I have to say between the two, because of the way I use browsers with all kinds of Google-linked stuff to it, I think I'm not going back to Brave.

I never did trust its claims about privacy and all that, and to be fair, it is probably still better than most alternatives, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

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Quote from: logfiles on March 29, 2020, 04:11:31 PM

Now why the hell do they need to buy a full browser

Advertising. Now everyone who uses Brave is going to be subjected to a big Binance banner every single time they open a new tab.

Quote from: coupable on March 30, 2020, 02:46:19 PM

I think brave browser deserves better than facilitating for people trade shitcoins ends up with losing their money.

Brave browser started off as such a great idea, and has just become more and more awful as time goes on. Claiming to be anti-tracking, but allowing trackers from Facebook and Twitter to follow you all over the web. Claiming to be pro-privacy, but enforcing KYC requirements from a third party. Claiming to be anti-advertising, and then slap a Binance ad on every new tab for every user. It's clear that desire for more profit has now taken over as the driving force behind Brave.

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It is really good news to see Binance listed on Brave browser.
I had doubt about success of this browser, but it proved me wrong so far.
After using Firefox it is my browser of choice and I can't wait to test Binance exchange directly from my Brave.

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It is really good news to see Binance listed on Brave browser.
I had doubt about success of this browser, but it proved me wrong so far.
After using Firefox it is my browser of choice and I can't wait to test Binance exchange directly from my Brave.

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Quote from: coupable on March 30, 2020, 02:46:19 PM

I have always the conviction that trade as a source of income is the option of dumbs who can't produce anything useful in their lives, another copy of gamblers. An activity that has no productivity, should generates nothing, unless you find a way to get money from others because they bet wrong, it's the case with trade and gambling.

The more traders there are, the more liquid a market is, allowing others to make larger buys or sells without moving the market too much, so they aren't entirely useless.

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Smart move from Binance, great opportunity for brave browser. This is what i can see about a company create new ways for its growth.
I have always the conviction that trade as a source of income is the option of dumbs who can't produce anything useful in their lives, another copy of gamblers. An activity that has no productivity, should generates nothing, unless you find a way to get money from others because they bet wrong, it's the case with trade and gambling. I don't encourage developpement in exchange businesses. I think brave browser deserves better than facilitating for people trade shitcoins ends up with losing their money.

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Also, I'm worried that lot's of built-in's could slow down its performance, especially to those with low end hardware. There were already cases of users experiencing high disk/cpu usage, which was fixed by disabling bat services.

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Quote from: target on March 27, 2020, 12:55:48 AM

Binance would partner with any project as long as they can also benefit. Brave browser users are increasing due to BAT rewards and binance can also verify the KYC because brave had also been collecting data as well.

It might be too early to say binance will partner with more browser projects if they pitch it with CZ, Osiris browser team has the good opportunity if they weren't just into anonymity.

Quote from: logfiles on March 29, 2020, 04:11:31 PM

I don't know why CZ thinks that he can own everything. The already have Binance trading apps on almost all platforms. Now why the hell do they need to buy a full browser Huh

This could be related to Binance's last month announcement: Binance Joins Shyft Network to Launch Global FATF Travel Rule Solution.

Additionally, I'm sure Brave will be getting a good amount of money per install or from referral fees (or a % of money earned by Binance from fees). Maybe even more than they're making now (how much was it?).

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 29, 2020, 02:37:35 AM

I'm very disappointed in this development. Brave becomes less and less about privacy, and more and more about profit, as time goes on.

Very true. Sometimes too much greed can be very catastrophic and i have been following binance for sometime, and they are literary buying off promising projects such a Trust wallet, 3commas trading bot etc.

I don't know why CZ thinks that he can own everything. The already have Binance trading apps on almost all platforms. Now why the hell do they need to buy a full browser Huh

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Quote from: SFR10 on March 29, 2020, 04:04:23 AM

Based on their blog post, "users have the ability to turn it off".

But it's enabled by default. And how to we know if we turn it off it won't still be transmitting data to Binance?

In Windows 10, you can disable Cortana, disable its service, even turn it off using registry keys, and it still phones home to Microsoft constantly.
Even if you have specifically turned off location tracking, history, services, suggestions, etc. on your phone, Google still tracks your location.
Even if you are logged out of Facebook, or don't even own a Facebook account, Facebook trackers are still monitoring all your online activity.

Corporations can't be trusted. I am not going to use a browser which comes embedded with software I do not want, do not trust, and can not remove.

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Just wondering what now happens to brave browser users from countries like the US whose regulation are tough and restrict trading in some crypto assets.

For US-based users, they have the option of "accessing Binance.US through the widget" itself.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 29, 2020, 02:37:35 AM

So Binance have essentially paid Brave to have their widget embedded in the browser itself, meaning users will be unable to remove it. Why would I want software from a company I don't use and don't trust embedded in my browser without my consent, or even without the ability to disable/uninstall/remove it?

Based on their blog post, "users have the ability to turn it off".
^{- I do agree with the other parts of your post.}

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I'm very disappointed in this development. Brave becomes less and less about privacy, and more and more about profit, as time goes on.

So Binance have essentially paid Brave to have their widget embedded in the browser itself, meaning users will be unable to remove it. Why would I want software from a company I don't use and don't trust embedded in my browser without my consent, or even without the ability to disable/uninstall/remove it?

This is a bad precedent to set. Pay us enough money, and you can put your software in our browser with no ability to remove it for all our customers, and there is nothing they can do about it. Who will be next to pay up to embed their software in to my browser? Coinbase? Fuck that.

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