Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.

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Quote from: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 06:33:42 PM

How much deaths in Lvov region?

Less than 10.

Most of the deaths were reported from the ethnic Russian inhabited regions such as Kazakhstan, Rostov, Volgograd, Donetsk and Lugansk. Lvov residents had surplus food. But never bothered to help their compatriots.

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By "genocide", do you mean something like this??:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-1933 7,000,000 deaths

How much deaths in Lvov region?

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Canada sent a planeload of non-lethal (yeah, right) weapons to Ukraine. Presumably to facilitate the Nazi Kiev government in their genocide of the Russian population.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-sending-military-equipment-to-ukraine-for-border-security/article19952287/

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 08, 2014, 10:50:45 AM

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 02:00:44 AM

Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.***

And I guess we can also read about Palestinian deaths in a Rupert Murdoch newspaper?
Give us some credible links, not that Russian propaganda shit. And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.

BBC and CNN good enough for you? Here is the coverage from BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569
And here is the article from New York Post.
http://nypost.com/2014/08/04/400-ukrainian-soldiers-desert-kiev-cross-into-russia/

Fake: hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers deserted to Russia and asked for asylum there

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 02:00:44 AM

Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.***

And I guess we can also read about Palestinian deaths in a Rupert Murdoch newspaper?

Give us some credible links, not that Russian propaganda shit. And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.

BBC and CNN good enough for you? Here is the coverage from BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569

And here is the article from New York Post.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/04/400-ukrainian-soldiers-desert-kiev-cross-into-russia/

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Test the idea of crowdsourcing all government functions. I am ready to fund bankcoin, copcoin, courtcoin, hbombcoin, etc..

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Quote from: libivan on August 03, 2014, 04:53:56 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on August 03, 2014, 04:11:30 AM

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These statements are similar essentially, isn't it? The most amusing here is that so many people are willing to accept such arguments like "we all know, that ..." as an excuse for blatant accusations without any evidence of whatsoever. Cheesy

The fact is that people NEED to be blind. They don't want to be taken away from their cnn fairy tale world.

and thats all nothing without they act like not hear any opinion question about them .
curious what a step he doing.

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Quote from: Balthazar on August 03, 2014, 08:02:09 PM

Quote from: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 09:43:01 AM

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.

Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

But the Soviet Union was not 19th century "Russia", and today's "Russia" is not the Soviet Union. The Ukraine is not historically 'yours', you had no right to annex Crimea, or attack Georgia, or do anything to anybody.

Lol, who talks here about soviet union, the crimea or annexation of anything? Was ist das fuer die Scheisse? You're the moronic clown, you even have no idea what we're talking about. Especially for you I have to mention that it was a message about the differences between languages. Grin

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Quote from: Balthazar on August 03, 2014, 08:02:09 PM

Quote from: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 09:43:01 AM

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.

Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

But the Soviet Union was not 19th century "Russia", and today's "Russia" is not the Soviet Union. The Ukraine is not historically 'yours', you had no right to annex Crimea, or attack Georgia, or do anything to anybody.

I guess if America has those rights than everyone can have them.
Why should Russia just look at what America is doing around the world, it makes sense that they take action when US came at their border and it directly affects 40 million people of russian nationality.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 02:00:44 AM

Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.com/news/177740-ukrainian-military-russia-refuge

The defected soldiers were apparently trapped in a rebel offensive, with their supply lines cut.

Ha, I've seen this guy in sunglasses before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNNiFpchKM

He warned Kiev that he's ready to make a GTFO suggestion.

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not that Russian propaganda shit.

Is there any credible proof links about that? I mean something that was proven, not just said by another blahblahblah.

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And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.

Your blind prejudice is a good source of funny copy-paste stuff, thank you for your hard work. Cheesy

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Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.com/news/177740-ukrainian-military-russia-refuge

The defected soldiers were apparently trapped in a rebel offensive, with their supply lines cut.

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Bad idea because the both US & EU needs an excuse to dump their current economic issues on own citizens. Panic scream about "Russian intervention" would be the best one. So the best option is to make Kiev weaker without direct intervention and wait what will happen. Because it will make EU & US weaker too.

Some steps have been taken already, such as decriminalization of mercenary activity for those who went to the Donbass.

http://segodnya.novostimira.com/n_6402805.html

If you're russian citizen and you wish to fight on the rebellion side then you're not a criminal anymore.

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Sarcasm aside, had Putin at least offered some support to the People's Republics of Lugansk and Donetsk, then the situation would have been much different now. He has cheated the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Perhaps he cares only for the unwashed Central Asian hordes... who roam around the streets and slums of Moscow and St Petersburg.

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Quote from: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 09:43:01 AM

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.

Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

That's why the most of russian speaking people (especially from southern regions) have restricted capabilities to read ukrainian texts, but sometimes these texts could cause a cognitive dissonance or even uncontrolled laugh. It's hard to explain but it feels like reading the message written ages ago.

However, it's closer to polish than modern russian. It preserved and uses the vocative case, for example, while in russian language the vocative case is considered obsolete and rarely used.

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Quote from: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 02:44:59 PM

I'm sure they could find something to export.

You are talking about things where You are totally incompetent.
Show numbers of Ukrainian export of Years 2011-2012-2013-2014.

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Furthermore, the EU market is at least 8 times bigger than the Russian market, so there is no way that continued isolation would be favourable for the Ukraine.

Protectionism and isolation is also bad for Russia, but I guess that the former Communists in the Kremlin, and Putin's idols, are just stubborn old fools.

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Quote from: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 02:20:20 PM

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Quote from: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 11:27:52 AM

when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.

For start of trading someone need have things and other part need have interest to buy this thing and need delivery money.
What are numbers of 2014 in confront with 2013 of Ukrainian export to EU?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement

I won't let you avoid the point so easily.
If the Ukraine is such a worthless desert, then why does Putin want it so badly?

How many people does the Ukraine have? About 45 million? Most of them would probably be happy to work for the equivalent of 10 euros per day, maybe less. I'm sure they could find something to export.

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Quote from: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 01:13:41 PM

Quote from: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 11:37:32 AM

Quote from: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 11:27:52 AM

when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.

For start of trading someone need have things and other part need have interest to buy this thing and need delivery money.
What are numbers of 2014 in confront with 2013 of Ukrainian export to EU?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement

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Quote from: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 11:37:32 AM

Quote from: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 11:27:52 AM

when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.

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Quote from: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 11:27:52 AM

Quote from: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 09:43:01 AM

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Quote from: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 08:57:20 AM

I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there;

Unless they're under the age of 22, I think most of them would have been born in the USSR. And how many of them are able to or bother to speak the Ukrainian language?

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it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.

The main source of funding appears to be Putin and his gas company.

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages. I forgot about the USSR but technically they've been living in the Ukraine for the past 22 years. Nevertheless, the outcomes of this war are not going to be good for Ukraine - they will be controlled by European Union or Russia, not an independent state.

Europe wants Ukraine to be an independent nation. The conflict in the Ukraine was generally started when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe that would result in the Ukraine trading with Europe more and Russia less.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, the EU couldn't care less - except for money. It could go the same path as Cyprus or Greece.

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