Topic: Brexit deal passes the European Parliament. 621 - 49. (Read 245 times)

Countries in Eastern Europe are most pro European Union countries in EU - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism#/media/File:Poll_about_perceived_EU_balance_benefit_(2018).svg
Are there a lot of people from Eastern Europe emigrating to the West ? Yes. Because of the wider carrier choices, higher pay and living standards, different social standards, better education. But it doesn't mean that all of them stay abroad. Some countries like Lithuania started to see net positive immigration in the last year. Some emigrants eventually decide to come back. When they do come back, they bring money, knowledge, ideas, connections and etc. Only because there is a population drain in short term doesn't mean it will persist. We don't live in a vacuum.
Additionally, countries in Eastern Europe lately see high immigration from Ukraine, whose people come here for the same reasons Easterners go to the West. And it's great, freedom of movement is great.

Eastern Europe under EU prospering as it never had before. The biggest problem of Eastern Europe is its Soviet heritage. But trust me, younger generation are very keen on getting rid of it.

People with average resources. Normally, you will retire to countries with lower purchasing power and with minimal health care guarantees.

For example:

If Spain is in the EU. and < cost of living = older people will travel to Spain
If England has < cost of living that Spain and (still) has health guarantees = travel to England


In the Balearic Islands, the largest community of retired people are:
Mallorca = Germans
Menorca = Italians
Ibiza = English (But in Ibiza they tend to go younger)

The best sanity in the Balearic Islands is in Mallorca

in europe you are either in the EU or you are a nazi

?? EU will steal the young brits.. and give away their old europeans...?? (dang it seems like i need to correct you again)

sorry you got it backward. when we were in the EU.. people came here to retire. and our people went there to retire
yep spain was retirement central for old brits. and ibiza was work central for young brits.

yep we went to eu and started opening nightclubs and beach bars. we wont be doing that as much in future.
AKA less stealing
and now the EU is not part of britain guess what europeans cant suck on our social services/care/securities
AKA less dumping

like i said you got it the wrong way around.
have a nice day

This is something like a State of the USA seceding from the union. The difference is, the States weren't there before the USA. Their documentation says so. Maybe we will get a EU civil war.

The rest is irrelevant. This matters. EU never let one of our members behind, but all 27 counters stand behind them 100%. That is what matter the Union. We act as one.

you will get drained of your young hard working children by the eu like westerneurope did with eastern europe, then eu will do deals with uk and tries to dump its pensioneers with human rights into your society also like western europe does with eastern europe, from prostitution (also like post cold war effects) i won't talk.

eastern europeans will see the cold war in a differen't light, since they will more and more realise that they got screwed by a banking cartel after cold war.

europe needs the EU to end the area of nazism and make cross border corporation possible.

europe currently suffers from imported nazism

so your saying canada's topnotch FREE healthcare system is due to america...... oh wait. ill give you time to research..
hmm. .. ... .. ok time up. canada is thriving due to the UK
canada and america although they share the same continent are not linked in many economic ways

its far far more easy for me as a brit to go to canada than it is to go to america
its less easy for an american to go to canada
its less easy for a canadian to go to america

the so called 'great us of a' and their border controls make the border a wall not a path. which makes me laugh when you look at the statue of liberties quote

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even things like australia. although physically closer to china/africa than the UK. is actually more friendly to the UK.

you really got no clue..

ok some lessons for you.
1. if exchange rate change from say $1.30/£1 to $1/£1 it will become more expensive to convert out money to go to usa/eu but it becomes cheaper for US/EU to move here. it also becomes cheaper for foreign companies to use us.
EG US company stops using irish call centre/customer service department and hires a british call centre
thus job creation

2. importing is bad for economy. so while some people doomsday that a change in value of the exchange rate =death.. i see it as a benefit
if aberdeen angus beef cost an american £16/kg and the uk/us exchange rate was $1.30/£1.. it would cost america $20.80
if the exchange rate turned to $1/£1 it would cost america $16 for the same piece of meat. this means we can sell more meat to usa because its cheaper for them... yep thats right we get to sell more to america.
or we can charge americans the same $20.80 meaning we get £20.80/kg instead of £16

3. the "tarrifs" of things like cheese, champagne, belgium chocolate are not going to be 300%.. its going to be 6-12%. the UK is used to swinging prices of 20-50% all the time. heck i have seen the price of milk in one year go from £1 to £1.50 for 4 pints. and we just pay it would thinking about it.

4. by not being limited by EU farming 'quotas' we can have our own quotas and start farming again. instead of importing. yep farming and exporting is ecnomic benefit. as shown in example 2

5. as for the chlorinated chicken fear. as shown in example 2 and 3 and 4. it becomes better to farm our own chicken instead of importing meat from other countries

America is not anyone's friend. I for one would not welcome increased American influence. It's a sick and inhumane regime in my opinion. It is also 3000 miles away over the sea rather than 20 miles.

All this commonwealth talk is daffy. Most of the commonwealth is skint as fuck. The wealthy bits have wealthier and closer neighbours who dominate their trade and immigration and the amount of trade we have with them at present is small.

I'm sure it'll all be adequate enough in the end. Nothing's ever as bad as it's billed. I also believe we'll be worse off than had the status quo been retained.

british pound will become gradually more and more worthless british oligarchs will cut down human and worker rights more and more, eu will get rich, of angolo colonial labour that will flee their nations to get a job in eu thats whats going to happen

I think if the Brexit treaty is passed in the European Parliament then it will never be passed in the European Parliament unless it has been a trade argument for them. The British government cannot be blamed for the fact that the European Union has never done every work of its people, provided the British to support it. They have done this to their advantage.

@franky1 when I saw all the comments in this thread I was going to search for your old answers to quote here, because most of these people don’t know the ground reality like you do, and you have brilliantly summed it up here. Secondly for all the talks relating to trade no one has specifically mentioned Trump and his big trade deals for UK, and when UK has US in it’s corner why would it need to worry about EU trade deals?.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/trump-bullish-on-post-brexit-trade-deal-with-u-k-envoy-says

https://www.businessinsider.in/stock-market/news/trumps-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-says-brexit-will-be-fantastic-for-the-united-states/articleshow/73775940.cms

That's one better than Theresa May for Borris Johnson, hope this works for them!

Yep, the level of knowledge and misinformation about Britain is astronomical. I get trashed for saying that the modern British Empire controls the EU, but when I ask who is in charge, then nobody can say. It certainly isn't the fake parliament. The EU was afailed experiment from the very beginning, and the ruling elite will try to morph it into something else, or they will replace it. Maybe it will be an enlarged British Commonwealth. The situation was rather like a modern liner being shackled behind a leaky old dredging barge, and the chains are being cut. The barge owners are desperately trying to hitch themselves behind the freed liner, but they aren't trying to fix the leaks. It is obvious to anybody who stops to think about it, that the EU can no longer survive on its own, and we will see more countries breaking free over the next year of so.

I just hope that we are strong, and regain our fishing grounds and air space, and we resist the poisonous chlorinated chicken that the US is trying to dump on us. It's sad that Trump doesn't spend some of his war chest by improving food quality for Americans. Talking of food quality, we had higher standards before we were sucking into the EU, and it looks as if we can regain these once we are free of restrictions. If you don'r believe me, then try some Somerset brie, and compare it with the sterile French equivalent that the French dump onto us.

I don't know of what the impact would be nor am I concerned but watching the event was very entertaining. Especially that part where they started waving flags and the EU VP kept asking them to stop doing it. Reminded me of the times in grade-school when the teacher would leave for a while and appoint one of the students to watch over the class. 


I don't even think that some people they want to leave can even be deported. Many have already been given citizenship.

UK is not bothered

UK will still trade with europe. just like UK trades with america, africa, asia without having to declare themselves as american african or asian.

as for working and living.. many asians and americans live and work in the uk.. and so will europeans.

the big change will be the LAWS. in previous years UK had to use an EU supply chain of certain standards. and in some cases for instance medication. this limited what sourcing of medications the UK could supply hospitals.

some of the limitations were stupid and done just for private profit. but now the UK can start to search out other suppliers that meet UK standards, which many countries will have.

alot of people think that UK will drop alot of standards and start allowing toxic food/medication. but it wont. UK does have high standards and in some ways higher standards than the EU and the UK understand where the EU made stupid rules about standards where the standards were not in question.

yes some things will change but not for the worse. and if you think that we have totally cut off ties with the EU then you are wrong. we survived before 1940's without an EU and we can survive again. the UK is a commonwealth. we have trade ties with other countries such as australia, canada and such. so we are not just a small insignificant island.

but anyway its the 31st of january. i just looked outside my window and it all looks the same. non of the apocalyptic doomsdays have happened.

One of the stories that I've been seeing on some news sites is the fact that this is a big loss to both sides (obviously, right). But think of this in terms of being in the EU -- you've lost a very big and vital strategic partner that is one of your paths to working with the US. That's not to say that the other countries in the EU aren''t as close or don't have good relations with the US, but the UK is one of the US's strongest allies and that will continue to be the case.

This is a 'texas size (literally) lose for the EU' and that's something that they're going to have to deal with. Yet again, we'll see the fallout of this deal in the coming months, years, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/world/europe/brexit-brussels-eu.html

Did you just called an average Joe - uneducated, ill informed cretin ? I believe you might be just on point.

The biggest shock for some people will be when they wake up on 31st Jan and realise that nothing has changed. It's absurd, but a lot of people genuinely believe that the 'Brexit date' is a sharp cut-off where Brexit suddenly magically happens, everything is instantly different, and all 'foreigners' leave. I was walking through a market the other day, and I actually heard a woman ask her friend 'Will they be laying on coaches to take them all back home?' There isn't a lot of understanding that a long and tortuous negotiation process lies ahead.

Regardless of whether you are Leave or Remain inclined, the level of ignorance out there is astonishing.