Topic: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO (Read 7313 times)
August 04, 2013, 01:10:56 AM
isn't this HUMONGOUS NEWS?
July 23, 2013, 07:39:53 PM
So I guess the thing to watch now is how many mining (not quite) bonds start leaving the securities forum...
January 12, 2013, 07:33:51 PM
I bought about 100 BTC from vescudero and it was all fine and fast with him. I even paid first. He doesn't deserve to be in the list.
January 12, 2013, 02:31:05 AM
i thought vescudero paid back all lenders
And he did, he should not be on this list.
January 12, 2013, 02:27:52 AM
i thought vescudero paid back all lenders
September 21, 2012, 01:43:57 AM
Bryan, this is my present for you 
September 20, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
The more and more I read about this BFL conspiracy, the more, and more I find myself drifting away from them.
I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real.
I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that?
I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation.
I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real.
I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that?
I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation.
Just to throw in my 2 bitpennies.... 10/H is NOWHERE near enough to get caught in this scam and have your rep ruined. I made one mistake with a photo during a loan and im getting blasted. Imagine a scam that large...
September 20, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
The more and more I read about this BFL conspiracy, the more, and more I find myself drifting away from them.
I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real.
I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that?
I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation.
I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real.
I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that?
I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation.
September 20, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Something stuck out for me here:
This actually gives a strong motivation for why Sonny would want Bitcoin to succeed. He's already felt the result of the strong ties the current banking system has to the government.
People seem to not understand this section at all. This is referring to Sonny's personal property only. It has nothing to do with units that BFL manufactures and sells as a part of their business.
And the lottery thing is kind of scummy, but I'm guessing people signed up voluntarily so it's really hard to say if people were being scammed or if they were just fooling themselves with a fiat version of SatoshiDice. I tend not to put a lot of stock in the descriptions prosecutors put in their write ups. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because she streaked down her block.
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An analysis was done on approximately twenty of the bank accounts established in the United States at the direction of VLEISIDES and his co-schemers.
This actually gives a strong motivation for why Sonny would want Bitcoin to succeed. He's already felt the result of the strong ties the current banking system has to the government.
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The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.
People seem to not understand this section at all. This is referring to Sonny's personal property only. It has nothing to do with units that BFL manufactures and sells as a part of their business.
And the lottery thing is kind of scummy, but I'm guessing people signed up voluntarily so it's really hard to say if people were being scammed or if they were just fooling themselves with a fiat version of SatoshiDice. I tend not to put a lot of stock in the descriptions prosecutors put in their write ups. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because she streaked down her block.
September 20, 2012, 08:50:43 AM
I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are.
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (still operating Confirmed scumbag, possible 500k BTC theft ($5M when stolen) )
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,still operating) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/starfish-bcb-loans-and-deposits-61262
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi)
9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
Please add Andrew Nollan (shakaru) to the list - he owes $38 000+
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/shades-minoco-shakaru-collections-debt-65989
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzolfvAaL97dGlQZjZmcFMwTzlmbWJNUHdyZnM4M2c#gid=3
September 20, 2012, 08:36:21 AM
How is dank a scammer? DankGlass? He gave me .4 BTC for free. Scammer usually dont do that, no?
September 20, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts .........
It's hard to know how much he encouraged the setting up of pass-throughs behind the scenes.
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Quote from: chungenhung on 09 February 2012, 14:14:14
OP, since you will only accept referrals, then are you saying current lenders can advertise it on the forum?
I know you have strict rules about that in the past when things got heated up with ineeduser*
OP, since you will only accept referrals, then are you saying current lenders can advertise it on the forum?
I know you have strict rules about that in the past when things got heated up with ineeduser*
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As long as they are dealing with me directly I am fine with it. What I don't want to see is people advertising that they can lend through them to me.
In April, his attitude changed and he formally "allowed" the operation of PPTs.
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The big issue early on was the attack by established members being able to force out new members. I don't condone an unfriendly environment so I made it very clear early on that it was not something I was willing to deal with. As FPS&T has grown, it has become much easier to handle large investors managing smaller accounts than me handling them directly. So, I've allowed established lenders to grow their own market with the following in mind.
And I need to make this very clear...
At this point FPS&T has become a true bank in almost every sense of the word. So, like a bank would protect it's account holders from the outside, FPS&T will do the same to it's members. The commitment between FPS&T and it's account holders is directly with one another. No outside organization can access, freeze, suspend or speak on behalf of anyone but the account holder. I have no responsibility to anyone except the account holder and they're responsible for deposits and withdrawals made to and from their account.
And I need to make this very clear...
At this point FPS&T has become a true bank in almost every sense of the word. So, like a bank would protect it's account holders from the outside, FPS&T will do the same to it's members. The commitment between FPS&T and it's account holders is directly with one another. No outside organization can access, freeze, suspend or speak on behalf of anyone but the account holder. I have no responsibility to anyone except the account holder and they're responsible for deposits and withdrawals made to and from their account.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.840854
After that point, pirate no longer needed to have any direct involvement in the solicitation of funds.
September 20, 2012, 06:33:06 AM
September 20, 2012, 06:01:11 AM
I will just leave this right here.
that is fucking awesome.
September 20, 2012, 06:00:33 AM
I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are.
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (still operating Confirmed scumbag, possible 500k BTC theft ($5M when stolen) )
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,still operating) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/starfish-bcb-loans-and-deposits-61262
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi)
9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
updated this slightly, needs much, much more work unfortunately
September 20, 2012, 12:35:24 AM
I will just leave this right here.
September 20, 2012, 12:30:46 AM
BurtW . Gigavps , Imsaguy Goat and many others were basically telling people they knew it wasnt a ponzi and people were just not smart enough to understand how it works etc
go back and read the posts although many have been deleted and its clear that pirate was not the only one driving people into the ponzi
actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts .........
go back and read the posts although many have been deleted and its clear that pirate was not the only one driving people into the ponzi
actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts .........
September 19, 2012, 05:26:48 PM
The only one responsible for pirate scamming the community is pirate himself.
No.
Just no. Pirate made a good Ponzi operator, but someone would have done it eventually. Maybe not on this scale, but the community was very strongly supporting the operation even after its nature was obvious. People can now say "There was no proof, he might have been legitimate," but in that same vein, he might be an alien who will soon pay everyone after importing spaceships from Andromeda.
hazek and Micon and multiple others described it pretty well: the argument was working the wrong way around. BS&T had excessive debt that lacked an explanation. To defend that, one has to provide evidence it's not a scam, instead of willingly ignoring all evidence that it was one. If you throw your money onto the sidewalk and then go on vacation, could you say "the only one responsible is the thief"? That's nonsensical.
The sentence may become true if you can show scamming was an error on Pirate's side, because it will have some sort of consequences. Well, I'm watching, the plan of investors isn't impressive so far. But even if that works out, many people were making it far too easy to get things to where they are today. Go ahead and read some of the stuff from early July, the flamewar that spread over half the forum. Pirateat40 couldn't possibly have made it through all that by himself, not even remotely. He had massive support.
September 19, 2012, 01:50:44 AM
The only one responsible for pirate scamming the community is pirate himself.
September 18, 2012, 11:36:28 PM
...PatrickHarnett.......optimistic credit ratings and support of pirate probably led to thousands of BTC of losses across the community.
I disagree 700% with the above statement.
There are people in far greater positions of both power and influence than Patrick Harnett on this forum who's PUBLIC participation in pirateat40's program were more than likely responsible for 'new meat' into the program (or related programs) than anything else..
This is typical AMERICAN BULLSHIT - Point the finger at a single scapegoat and people can THEN sleep better at night knowing that the 'evil' has a face.
September 18, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
5) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself, still operating)
Huh? PatrickHarnett has a reputation for being the most trustworthy community member so far. He repaid CPA over 400 bitcoins after the pirate crash even as *every other lender on the forums collapsed*.
You probably need to re-evaluate your priorities here.
September 12, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims. This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing. Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly.
This is all too right.....and even formulated way to softly, how damaging it is for community spirit and the wherewithall of Bitcon !
But : To remind you of the late Sir Alan Greenspan : Bubbles ( ponzis ) are not recognizable in advance, they got to be cleaned up afterwards !
Of course in FIAT world this is a blatant lie, but it applies to bitcoin.
Where are the efforts of the great Moderators of this forum to put scammer - tags on the PPT -operators, who are still "mismanaging human´s expectations"
helping to hide the ill - gotten interest of the ponzi -scams ? May I deduce that everybody watches out for the next one?...the same as false accusations have
no consequences and are greeted as evidence.....even if its just based on the limited ability to percieve the facts and the inability of nearly all the Super - Egos
to backpaddle, when getting their head handed back to them.
And so, as i love to put perceptions in the realm of reality, nobody is perfect
, would you mind, Sir Micon, to put up for otoh´s bet ?Vescudero was (is) a useful service for me, as I earned his weekly interest in 15 min. after I took out a loan.
Thought of you as a bastion of honor or is your "justice" the last air-bag protecting the heroscammers of legitimate competition ?
Thanks Zyk
P.S. As long as i can´t see the same clean- up efforts made to prosecute the big profiteers as have been shown for MNW......
bitcoin.org is a typical case of frying the small - fish and let the bigo(tt)nes going on scott -free.....
Me too can´t stand your bigotterie and ingorance anymore Sir Micon !
As there are still no tags for false accusations neither for outright lies, I dare you to offer again otoh´s bet,
I accept the bet , if we use Victor as escrow
or just cancel him and put payb.tc at his place, as this guy is still running his own ponzi scheme hiding behind pirates default !!!
Put up or shut up !!
Thanks Zyk
Don't mess with bitcoin.
an excuse to Victor Vescuderoor just cancel him and put payb.tc at his place, as this guy is still running his own ponzi scheme hiding behind pirates default !!!
@zyk lol
I propose these terms if anyone is interested, personally I choose to leave my funds with Victor but choose not to enter in to any bets, but I would be happy to act as an escrow if anyone wished though.
Vescudero will not default - bet: Agree xxx BTC
Victor Escudero, Vescudero, will not default on the funds lent to him or on the interest due on them within the next 6 months. Funds covered are those listed in & added to his OP & a default is defined as being over 2 weeks late in paying out any interest or funds due.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0;all
He may at any time change the rate of interest payed out &/or return any &/or all funds (with interest to date). He may close his offering at any time & if all funds & interest due has been payed then the bet is then classed as over & won.
Event date 2013 03 10
Bet deadline 2013 03 08
I propose these terms if anyone is interested, personally I choose to leave my funds with Victor but choose not to enter in to any bets, but I would be happy to act as an escrow if anyone wished though.
Vescudero will not default - bet: Agree xxx BTC
Victor Escudero, Vescudero, will not default on the funds lent to him or on the interest due on them within the next 6 months. Funds covered are those listed in & added to his OP & a default is defined as being over 2 weeks late in paying out any interest or funds due.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0;all
He may at any time change the rate of interest payed out &/or return any &/or all funds (with interest to date). He may close his offering at any time & if all funds & interest due has been payed then the bet is then classed as over & won.
Event date 2013 03 10
Bet deadline 2013 03 08
Put up or shut up !!
Thanks Zyk
September 12, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
LOL PussyAt30 is Trendon's new alias. 
September 06, 2012, 07:25:43 AM
ty for the bump.
List updated.
List updated.
September 06, 2012, 03:40:09 AM
looks like he was a scammer.
August 21, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
Wow.. Micon.. watching your threads turn up i really wonder what pirate did to you to deserve that amount of the same bullshit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Just make it simple:
1) He is a scammer.
2) He is not a scammer.
And which one he is we will soon find out.
But tbh it pisses me off to open the forum just to see the next thread of yours declaring that you are the smartass of the year because you and you alone have seen something coming and knowing exactly how the dividends were generated etc etc.
So i would like to ask you, politely, to shut the fuck up.
What Bitcoin needs is sort of "Trust". Sure, Pirate's system could a ponzi, but who knows at this very moment except pirate? You sure dont have more information than me or the next guy. IMO this situation resembles pretty well the end of BitScalper and already back then there were people like you crying all over the place that they have always known. Yeah? So be it. Whoever is stupid enough to invest money in a 6%/week investment should know that it is likely his money is gone forever. People dont have to repeat that time and again (and before you ask, no, i am not waiting for funds from pirate).
So please... when next time the thought crosses your mind to start up yet another thread on the same topic again turn off your PC.. we really dont need yet another of your "IMO scammer" lists, threads, posts etc. We already all know that you know better than anyone else and thank you.
Just make it simple:
1) He is a scammer.
2) He is not a scammer.
And which one he is we will soon find out.
But tbh it pisses me off to open the forum just to see the next thread of yours declaring that you are the smartass of the year because you and you alone have seen something coming and knowing exactly how the dividends were generated etc etc.
So i would like to ask you, politely, to shut the fuck up.
What Bitcoin needs is sort of "Trust". Sure, Pirate's system could a ponzi, but who knows at this very moment except pirate? You sure dont have more information than me or the next guy. IMO this situation resembles pretty well the end of BitScalper and already back then there were people like you crying all over the place that they have always known. Yeah? So be it. Whoever is stupid enough to invest money in a 6%/week investment should know that it is likely his money is gone forever. People dont have to repeat that time and again (and before you ask, no, i am not waiting for funds from pirate).
So please... when next time the thought crosses your mind to start up yet another thread on the same topic again turn off your PC.. we really dont need yet another of your "IMO scammer" lists, threads, posts etc. We already all know that you know better than anyone else and thank you.
August 21, 2012, 03:10:55 AM
if pirate pays out everyone next week, doesn't that mean he lost his 5000 btc? it would prove he's not a ponzi .
if it were a ponzi ,there would not be enough to pay back with this far in
pirate may end up pulling the rabbit out of the hat and shocking everyone
August 17, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
if pirate pays out everyone next week, doesn't that mean he lost his 5000 btc? it would prove he's not a ponzi .
August 17, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
Shadow and clipse covered this thread quite well, I believe.
August 14, 2012, 11:42:08 AM
Im convinced Micon is now the no.1 attention seeking whore who dethroned BitcoinEXpress.
August 14, 2012, 01:50:21 AM
Well this is a thread that isn't going to descend into a total clusterfuck...
August 14, 2012, 01:39:20 AM
If only someone had thought to compile such a list before now... 
At least you all know not to trust Bitcoin Hacker 2 now. And is Mt Gox Hacker the person who hacked Mt Gox last year or the person who breached Bitcoinica's Mt Gox account last month? We need to know so we (well all of us except for Zhou) can avoid him.
At least you all know not to trust Bitcoin Hacker 2 now. And is Mt Gox Hacker the person who hacked Mt Gox last year or the person who breached Bitcoinica's Mt Gox account last month? We need to know so we (well all of us except for Zhou) can avoid him.
August 13, 2012, 07:03:24 PM
So how do you know Todd Whitteles? Is he still as annoying now as he was 20 years ago on LA-area BBSs?
August 13, 2012, 05:13:30 PM
I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are.
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (still operating Confirmed scumbag, possible 500k BTC theft ($5M when stolen) ) DONKDOWN -> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/07/sec-says-man-named-the-pirate-was-running-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/ & http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Ue8JvEHYB8H
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,still operating) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/starfish-bcb-loans-and-deposits-61262
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi)
9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC
this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay)
1) Pirateat40 (
2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon)
3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon)
4) MT Gox Hacker (anon)
5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205151
6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself,
7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-vescuderos-risk-free-weekly-term-deposits-at-15-89122
RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi)
10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcointradecom-high-interest-25-5w-20-on-bonds-aaa-since-072011-81357 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supportenmybitcointrade-62023
11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nckrazzes-deposits-low-risk-deposits-with-guaranteed-payback-weekly-25-w-81927
Lower Level Scammers
this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging.
1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever)
2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam)
3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC)
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