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legendary
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January 12, 2017, 08:57:07 AM
#30
Anyone who looks at the volumes on Coinmarketcap (click on Bitcoin, then the Markets tab) can see the Chinese volume claims are ludicrous. Often they report a higher _daily_ volume than the number of bitcoins in existence.

It's because the coins can change hands multiple times a day, and every trade is counted it.

So when you see a volume of 24 million BTC / day for example, that can be 1 million BTC changing hands every hour for 24 hours. It's not 24 million bitcoin, but it counts as if it were.

It's the speed of money and how frequently it changes hands.

True, but it is still silly and distorts the real picture of who owns and trades BTC in a real-world sense.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 07:00:09 AM
#29
Anyone who looks at the volumes on Coinmarketcap (click on Bitcoin, then the Markets tab) can see the Chinese volume claims are ludicrous. Often they report a higher _daily_ volume than the number of bitcoins in existence.

It's because the coins can change hands multiple times a day, and every trade is counted it.

So when you see a volume of 24 million BTC / day for example, that can be 1 million BTC changing hands every hour for 24 hours. It's not 24 million bitcoin, but it counts as if it were.

It's the speed of money and how frequently it changes hands.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 06:59:58 AM
#28
We cannot deny the fact that there are really fake volumes over the CHinese exchangers, the recent news that is on the spotlight is that the PBOC of CHina is now currently looking and investigating the transactions of these exchangers. We still dont know when the price will be back since many people panic due to the recent issue in China. Hope it will go back up soon, it is really a big loss to us merchants.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 06:51:44 AM
#27
The problem here is greed, fake volume and transaction so as to lure traders in and collect transaction fee from them, I can still smell the fresh paint of Mtgox again.
Yeah me too they just boost their daily transaction volume to attract new traders and as they offer no fee on trades, at one point they may try to steal user's fund and claim that there platform get hacked.

The recent investigation on Chinese exchanger pay force them to add some fee in trades.

Those big 3 exchanges have now started with the fake volume as standard there is no way to compete in china as an exchange if you dont bump up the numbers.  Its a shame and glad western sites aren't doing it.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 06:49:54 AM
#26
The problem here is greed, fake volume and transaction so as to lure traders in and collect transaction fee from them, I can still smell the fresh paint of Mtgox again.
Yeah me too they just boost their daily transaction volume to attract new traders and as they offer no fee on trades, at one point they may try to steal user's fund to cover their running cost and claim that their platform get hacked.

The recent investigation on Chinese exchanger may force them to add some fee in trades.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 02:19:39 AM
#25
If China can fake its economic growth figures (check Forbes article dated Dec 15, 2015) they can also do this with BTC trading. It seem's like China want to show to the world that they are above and beyond every ones economic growth but in this case of BTC volumes, it's not pretty clear to me what they are trying to accomplish since BTC is non-regulated and not recognized by other Countries.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 02:18:39 AM
#24
everybody knows that China has been reporting fake volumes and ridiculous numbers for that matter. but what i don't get is why people still think China controls the bitcoin price an allow other whales to use that false information to their advantage when they want to buy cheap coins.

Yes, and for that reason we did not take them into account when we determined the price in the Western countries. Preev.com for instance use data retrieved from Bitfinex, Bitstamp, BTC-E and LocalBitcoins as a default option. How many people, other than the Chinese actually trade on these Chinese exchanges? Roger Ver? I would not be too worried about this, because we have a relative huge variety of other sources to determine the price accurately. ^smile^

I am curious to know, what will happen when other exchanges take the same route as China and scrap all trading fees on their exchanges. ^Wooooooo^ 

it doesn't matter where you get the price and what the western exchanges say their price is, traders these days are looking at China and see what they are doing to follow them like a sheep.

the Chinese government wants to inspect and regulate bitcoin (just a normal routine thing) and all the English resources such as news sites and media are saying China is banning bitcoin. then they look at the CNY price and see it has gone down so they panic and dump on USD markets.

and about your last statement i have to say, Chinese exchanges have 0 fees because they earn money from other fake things and shenanigans they do in the background. which means other exchanges have to do the same shenanigans if they want to do 0 fees.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 02:11:20 AM
#23
everybody knows that China has been reporting fake volumes and ridiculous numbers for that matter. but what i don't get is why people still think China controls the bitcoin price an allow other whales to use that false information to their advantage when they want to buy cheap coins.

Yes, and for that reason we did not take them into account when we determined the price in the Western countries. Preev.com for instance use data retrieved from Bitfinex, Bitstamp, BTC-E and LocalBitcoins as a default option. How many people, other than the Chinese actually trade on these Chinese exchanges? Roger Ver? I would not be too worried about this, because we have a relative huge variety of other sources to determine the price accurately. ^smile^

I am curious to know, what will happen when other exchanges take the same route as China and scrap all trading fees on their exchanges. ^Wooooooo^ 
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 01:46:21 AM
#22
everybody knows that China has been reporting fake volumes and ridiculous numbers for that matter. but what i don't get is why people still think China controls the bitcoin price an allow other whales to use that false information to their advantage when they want to buy cheap coins.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 01:13:05 AM
#21
The problem here is greed, fake volume and transaction so as to lure traders in and collect transaction fee from them, I can still smell the fresh paint of Mtgox again.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 12:24:47 AM
#20
I want to clarify a few things:

1. Not every transaction is viewable, or at least to normal users, on order book. There are private block trades that can take place anywhere. This is not new in btc trading. Stock exchanges have these implemented long time ago. Yes, you may think this is not transparent and could be fishy. I agree but this is how market works. When you are a billionaire you don't want the public / hackers to notice you have bought 10k btc today, do you?
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i agree with your 2 and 3 but this one sounds to be fake to me or at least if it is real it is irrelevant here. because if there is such feature on exchanges to trade invisibly then you should buy or sell from the bids and asks that are currently available your trade may be hidden from the eyes but the bid and ask on the orderbook to which you sell or buy from is not invisible!!
sr. member
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January 12, 2017, 12:01:37 AM
#19
Dam, China fakin' stuff?  I'm SHOCKED.  Don't use nonea them exchanges, they all wack as fuck.  Betta call up KRS1 ta come rap at ya barf mitzvah.
newbie
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January 11, 2017, 11:58:49 PM
#18
I'm glad  you guys are noticing this and saying something about it.

Now what I want to ask is, do you think it has something to do with what I posted about here?:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/can-someone-please-explain-what-this-is-1747889

These are steep-assed rises and subsequent falls in Chinese trades that look really off to me. Either these are massive, instantaneous buy-outs of all the cheapest bitcoin offers or else some weird stuff is going on.
legendary
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January 11, 2017, 11:52:58 PM
#17
Almost all of the chinese trading platform have 0% fee so they try to pump their daily volume just by selling and buying bitcoin at same price using bots/scripts. So even there is no real buy/sell orders in orderbook, there will be instant buy/sell in order history.
legendary
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January 11, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
#16
They are all clearly manipulated and fake. That is one of the reasons why the PBOC has decided to step in and check what is going on behind the Chinese exchanges. Soon they might intervene and make strict regulations making it harder for ordinary people to own Bitcoins. I believe what will happen is they will require exchanges not to accept people who are below a certain salary range. They will allow only rich people to buy and sell Bitcoin because it is very risky.
legendary
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January 11, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
#15
the same bitcoin can be sold and bought multiple times a day, hence there is a possibility of having turnover greater than the number of bitcoins in existence. but the tape and orderbook shows everyting clearly, only one thing apart from fake volume can explain this paradox - dark pools on btcchina?))
This and this is often explained as bots fighting together, one selling massive one automatically massive buying and volume is from that.
Fake or not, china is very important in bitcoin world.
hero member
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January 11, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
#14
Its pretty widely known that most of the Chinese exchanges are faking volumes

Chinese fake everything.  They even fake baby formula and killed 6 babies.  They used fake melamine to trick the tests into looking like a quality product.  Not to worry that kids are dying, in China too many kids make it seem like a few lost won't be so bad.  

In China, faking shit is just normal.
newbie
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January 11, 2017, 06:21:14 PM
#13
There arn't any fees on the chinese exchanges, so coins can be sold back and forth endlessly to paint the tape.


i didnt hear about this since a few days ago. why would they not charge fees? how would these exchanges make money? i would love to trade there lol

I dont think they ever charged a fee. You cant go on forever like that.
sr. member
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January 11, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
#12
I want to clarify a few things:

1. Not every transaction is viewable, or at least to normal users, on order book. There are private block trades that can take place anywhere. This is not new in btc trading. Stock exchanges have these implemented long time ago. Yes, you may think this is not transparent and could be fishy. I agree but this is how market works. When you are a billionaire you don't want the public / hackers to notice you have bought 10k btc today, do you?

2. Fees: All major Chinese btc exchanges impose 0% fees on trading. This, again, is not new. That's how they attract users to sign up and trade. How do they make money? By withdrawal on fiats. Or on people who are so addicted to trading and lose their minds to go on leveraging (borrowing from the exchange). Zero fee scheme promotes incentives for high frequency automatic trading, yes, BOTS! It will creates much volatility in the short term, but long term it should not have much impact on btc fundamentals.

3. Market rigging, fake volumes, etc: Now it turns to the dark pages. Yes they exist and some of Big Three exchanges admitted to that in recent interview with the central bank of China. They are being audited now and we will see what gets digged out soon.
sr. member
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January 11, 2017, 05:45:49 PM
#11
Its pretty widely known that most of the Chinese exchanges are faking volumes to make it look like they move more coins than they actually do.
I guess they are trying to increase the value of their business by manipulating the books to make their profits look larger.
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