Folding is, or at least, should be amenable to a proof-of-work function. I'm studying molecular biology, so I can give more background.
Basically, folding is PoW in that:
1. It's difficult to find a configuration that is "better" then the best so far. By "best", I am referring to the minimum free energy, or a similar score system, where the atoms in the protein are in a most energetically favorable state. That is analogous to "difficulty" - If difficulty increases, then the free energy criteria required to satisfy the "folded" criteria is smaller. This problem is difficult because of the vast configuration space of possible positions for each of the protein residues (something on the order of 3^300), otherwise known as Levinthal's paradox.
2. It's relatively simple to compute the free energy of the system. (More difficult than a hash, but much simpler than trying to find the minimum free energy structure).
3. If someone manages to "cheat" (find a structure with a good MFE in substantially less time than the rest), well that's called a scientific breakthrough. And that someone gets rewarded with a lot of coins. Probably the most direct incentivizing of R&D possible.
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldit some time. Interesting concept.
Topic: BTC MINER uses MASSIVE HASHING POWER to CURE CANCER! - page 3. (Read 7567 times)
I did Seti@Home for years then I switched over to BOINC and did Rosetta and World Community Grid (which has quite a few projects like Cancer, Aids, Water Purification, etc...). I had my computer running this type of software easily for the last 10 years.
Boinc Client is the best client out there for doing this made by Berkeley Labs:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/
List of Projects:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
My Favorites:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/
Boinc Client is the best client out there for doing this made by Berkeley Labs:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/
List of Projects:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
My Favorites:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/
so i emailed someone at stanford. The response i got was that have already discussed this. sounds like it might become a reality. i urged him to join us here on the bitcointalk.org forums so the bitcoin community can exchange ideas about how to make such a coin work.
obviously btc and more so ltc are very secure types systems. it would certianly stop people from trying to steal folding points is there was a proof of folding value figured into the coin somewhere. as suggested b4 wouldnt it be possible to make the coin require proof of folding , proof of work, while using maybe 10% of the power to to the actual mining to cover transaction and security??
obviously btc and more so ltc are very secure types systems. it would certianly stop people from trying to steal folding points is there was a proof of folding value figured into the coin somewhere. as suggested b4 wouldnt it be possible to make the coin require proof of folding , proof of work, while using maybe 10% of the power to to the actual mining to cover transaction and security??
Still it is less, so if you would make a coin where the mining and folding just is divided from each other, some will just strip the folding out of it to mine the coins. Would defeat the purpose unless it is possible to make it waterproof the 2 can't be stripped from each other in order to mine coins. Folding - mining: 90% - 10% and if this isn't accurate no new coins will be generated by you.
This could be solved by interleaving the two things. Like you primarily mine blocks but if a block contains a proof of fold it gets way more coins. So you have to mine blocks to get the others to accept your prof of fold.
But the proof of fold is the interesting thing. Bitcoins POW works because you have to do a lot of calculations to find it but very little to check it. In fact you are doing the same simple calculation over and over again and also do it for checking the POW. In folding there are maybe/most likely a lot of different calculations on the same data, so one big complex calculation. To check the POW you would have to redo that one.
It seems to me that stanford has the same problem. They are not releasing there sourcecode because people used to cheat their credit system.
i read that certain drivers like pre 12.4 and sdk 4 will force your card to 100% with folding. there are a few forums out there for folding and posts about cards and drivers.
as far as folding and mining at the same time... somehow it appears to work great.. go figure... this is awesome...
my 7850 normally is tuned for 260 mhashes for low power usage and hopefully no failing hardware.
right now im folding at 50 % card power, and mining at 200 mhash still... AWESOME!!!!!
as far as folding and mining at the same time... somehow it appears to work great.. go figure... this is awesome...
my 7850 normally is tuned for 260 mhashes for low power usage and hopefully no failing hardware.
right now im folding at 50 % card power, and mining at 200 mhash still... AWESOME!!!!!
Still it is less, so if you would make a coin where the mining and folding just is divided from each other, some will just strip the folding out of it to mine the coins. Would defeat the purpose unless it is possible to make it waterproof the 2 can't be stripped from each other in order to mine coins. Folding - mining: 90% - 10% and if this isn't accurate no new coins will be generated by you.
soon coming front page of NY times
"Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
yeah, soon, only need to find a second Satoshi to make it happen "Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
imagine the IT department at stanford, and SETI@home's IT team, along with the help of the bitcoin community doing an open source project... they could make the Satoshi BTC 1.0 look obsolete. im sure other universities would jump on the bandwagon as well. im sure BTC will always be a sought after item. the potential of an open source coin like this with the backing of major universities would outdo the BTC in every way with new advancements.
Biggest problem i see... making sure there is a good system in place to use left over hashing power for other good causes in the event bitcoin miners have enough collective power to cure cancer in the near future.
soon coming front page of NY times
"Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
yeah, soon, only need to find a second Satoshi to make it happen "Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
i read that certain drivers like pre 12.4 and sdk 4 will force your card to 100% with folding. there are a few forums out there for folding and posts about cards and drivers.
as far as folding and mining at the same time... somehow it appears to work great.. go figure... this is awesome...
my 7850 normally is tuned for 260 mhashes for low power usage and hopefully no failing hardware.
right now im folding at 50 % card power, and mining at 200 mhash still... AWESOME!!!!!
as far as folding and mining at the same time... somehow it appears to work great.. go figure... this is awesome...
my 7850 normally is tuned for 260 mhashes for low power usage and hopefully no failing hardware.
right now im folding at 50 % card power, and mining at 200 mhash still... AWESOME!!!!!
Great, im glad other people have been thinking about this too. the bitcoin community should start working with stanford on an open source project to make it all happen.
i read a few people said they would rather use their electricity on something more useful than random #'s and transactions. im sure with the right people working on it standord could create a great api to feed a new bitcoin block chain with proof of folding. stanford's existing point system appears to be work based on existing speed of your rig. im sure they could easily modify this to plug into a crypto currency that uses a more accurate pay per share type of coins / points system.
i bet there is some bitcoin devs that could make sure this open source projects creates this coin in a manner that is still protected by good encryption. possibly diverting only the amount of hashing power needed to confirm and calculate transactions.
This would require all the big devs on both sides to make the ultimate CureCoin. a BTC 2.0 for sure! i titled the topic " BTC MINER uses MASSIVE HASHING POWER to CURE CANCER!" because i think there is a good chance it could happen.
just like bitcoins, eventually most of (or all) the cures would get "solved / ACCEPTED 1d52s5fd"
so just like bitcoins, there would be a max amount that could be mined / solved. this would create an inflation proof coin from what i read of bitcoin. any disease that pops up afterwards could just be another bonus to get solved and create another block of coins to be distributed.
Biggest problem i see... making sure there is a good system in place to use left over hashing power for other good causes in the event bitcoin miners have enough collective power to cure cancer in the near future. a voting system for causes and other universities joining the system to advance all types of sciences would be great.
HAHA.
soon coming front page of NY times
"Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
i read a few people said they would rather use their electricity on something more useful than random #'s and transactions. im sure with the right people working on it standord could create a great api to feed a new bitcoin block chain with proof of folding. stanford's existing point system appears to be work based on existing speed of your rig. im sure they could easily modify this to plug into a crypto currency that uses a more accurate pay per share type of coins / points system.
i bet there is some bitcoin devs that could make sure this open source projects creates this coin in a manner that is still protected by good encryption. possibly diverting only the amount of hashing power needed to confirm and calculate transactions.
This would require all the big devs on both sides to make the ultimate CureCoin. a BTC 2.0 for sure! i titled the topic " BTC MINER uses MASSIVE HASHING POWER to CURE CANCER!" because i think there is a good chance it could happen.
just like bitcoins, eventually most of (or all) the cures would get "solved / ACCEPTED 1d52s5fd"
so just like bitcoins, there would be a max amount that could be mined / solved. this would create an inflation proof coin from what i read of bitcoin. any disease that pops up afterwards could just be another bonus to get solved and create another block of coins to be distributed.
Biggest problem i see... making sure there is a good system in place to use left over hashing power for other good causes in the event bitcoin miners have enough collective power to cure cancer in the near future. a voting system for causes and other universities joining the system to advance all types of sciences would be great.
HAHA.
soon coming front page of NY times
"Bitcoin miners save the world! All crypto currency prices soar as all venues start accepting these coins in their never ending quest to be the ultimate currency"
well guys i am trying folding client with an ATI 5870. i have "folding power" to 'Full' and i see only 20-30% usage.
then i can use the other 70-80% for the coins! what is your experience when using both cgminer and folding client together?
i am new to this
then i can use the other 70-80% for the coins! what is your experience when using both cgminer and folding client together?
i am new to this
I don´t like the premine, this way you create a central authority who distributes the coins and this is really against the idea of cryptocurrencies.
It really should have some "proof of folding" imo
Some other points to really make it king:
- no premine
- announcing it weeks in front when it will be released so nobody can complain about early adopter/mining advantage
If this could be done, I think CureCoin would have a pretty good chance to become Bitcoin2.0
It really should have some "proof of folding" imo
great idea guys! this coin would be the king of coins! why we haven't implement it earlier?
Because it isn´t easy to do, if at all Some other points to really make it king:
- no premine
- announcing it weeks in front when it will be released so nobody can complain about early adopter/mining advantage
If this could be done, I think CureCoin would have a pretty good chance to become Bitcoin2.0
great idea guys! this coin would be the king of coins! why we haven't implement it earlier?
we would need something like "proof of folding"
i fould also this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/foldinghome-pow-186731
someone has already proposed it!
CureCoin! i LOVE it
edit: i found more threads
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/idea-for-a-new-alt-coin-176058
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merging-folding-cryptocurrencies-64790
i guess this great idea and programming skills have to mature a little longer!
we would need something like "proof of folding"
i fould also this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/foldinghome-pow-186731
someone has already proposed it!
CureCoin! i LOVE it
edit: i found more threads
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/idea-for-a-new-alt-coin-176058
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merging-folding-cryptocurrencies-64790
i guess this great idea and programming skills have to mature a little longer!
oh, and if anyone makes this crypto coin happen i get to name it CureCoin... ive been talking to people about it for weeks and driving my gf nutz with crypto talk lol.
i was thinking maybe it should be a coin that is premined by a trusted project holder, using secure btc or ltc wallet source code. then there should be a server set up to distribute these coins based on peoples efforts. maybe ill contact the project leader at standford and ask them if they want to make their own crypto currency to offer their cure helpers. then the main premined wallet would be held by standford (trustworthy host).
i was thinking about launching such a coin myself.. but stanford would do a much better job then any of us im sure.... they have those endless resources n smart people n stuff.
i was thinking maybe it should be a coin that is premined by a trusted project holder, using secure btc or ltc wallet source code. then there should be a server set up to distribute these coins based on peoples efforts. maybe ill contact the project leader at standford and ask them if they want to make their own crypto currency to offer their cure helpers. then the main premined wallet would be held by standford (trustworthy host).
i was thinking about launching such a coin myself.. but stanford would do a much better job then any of us im sure.... they have those endless resources n smart people n stuff.
i might just start sponsoring small prizes for people completing projects through this system. like maybe 1 or 2 feathercoins per project. i can forward a port on my pc to accept connections to anyone how wants to make test out making a pool and we can see what kind of stats can be monitored per user. i would suggest knowing how to log directly into their system first and testing your rig before trying to connect to me to make a pool. its pretty easy though.
interesting! also a kind of "merge mining" cure cancer and generate money would be great!
Great idea for an alt coin imo, if it's possible I don't know, I'm not a programmer but it would be great if someone could get it done that when you mine you actually do protein folding and while doing this you secure the network and mine coins . The coin that would do this, surely gets my support.
I used my ps3 for a long time on that project and then the powers at be decided to end ps3 folding for some unknown ludicrous reason... wonder how it affected their solution rate to be honest, I was happy to donate my ps3 when not being used for other things to that cause so was very disappointed to see it come to an end :-(
Of all the boinc style projects this was my favorite and looking forward to amazing things to come of it! Wish there was some btc philanthropist types who could come up with a simple way to reward users for mining here with crypto rewards, it would no doubt be worthwhile for folding...
Of all the boinc style projects this was my favorite and looking forward to amazing things to come of it! Wish there was some btc philanthropist types who could come up with a simple way to reward users for mining here with crypto rewards, it would no doubt be worthwhile for folding...
WOW I remember being one of the first people to download that in 2000 (?) - I forgot about it, I am happy to see
it is still around 13 years later. Amazing.
Now I am curious to see how Seti @ home did...
it is still around 13 years later. Amazing.
Now I am curious to see how Seti @ home did...
interesting! also a kind of "merge mining" cure cancer and generate money would be great!
oh, and on their stats page it looks like about 75% of their network is being helped by cpu's .... bitcoin miners could really show these guys how computing power is done... and think about this too... if we broadcast to the world that the bitcoin community is going to use its power to possibly cure cancer, it could mean more media and respect for the bitcoin / altcoin, meaning a possibly much higher value and interest in bitcoins and the people that mine them.
http://folding.stanford.edu/
compatible with ati stream and cuda... donate your hashing power to cure cancer and other diseases.
im taking a break from mining for a couple days to do this... looks like a 7850 can complete this first project i found in 13 hours ( using 55% of my gpu power)
and you get points for your efforts! tell your friends you helped find cures and get brownie points with the ladies! who can resist a guy trying to cure cancer with his super computer setup???
im guessing this has been posted b4, but it should be brought up again. if the whole bitcoin world took a break from mining every once in a while... we could make stanford university's work go by in a day instead of a year...
id like to see how many projects someone can complete a day with a 10 ghash rig.
oh.. and its really easy to use too... only took about 20 minutes to start processing on my first project.
the points you get i think are not able to trade, but just like a WOW account you could probably sell your accounts to someone who wants to donate to the cure project. then that person could pull up a web page and show their friends his bought account and say "i paid for this guy to complete this many projects".
sounds like a win win for someone with hashing power to spare.
compatible with ati stream and cuda... donate your hashing power to cure cancer and other diseases.
im taking a break from mining for a couple days to do this... looks like a 7850 can complete this first project i found in 13 hours ( using 55% of my gpu power)
and you get points for your efforts! tell your friends you helped find cures and get brownie points with the ladies! who can resist a guy trying to cure cancer with his super computer setup???
im guessing this has been posted b4, but it should be brought up again. if the whole bitcoin world took a break from mining every once in a while... we could make stanford university's work go by in a day instead of a year...
id like to see how many projects someone can complete a day with a 10 ghash rig.
oh.. and its really easy to use too... only took about 20 minutes to start processing on my first project.
the points you get i think are not able to trade, but just like a WOW account you could probably sell your accounts to someone who wants to donate to the cure project. then that person could pull up a web page and show their friends his bought account and say "i paid for this guy to complete this many projects".
sounds like a win win for someone with hashing power to spare.
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