Topic: BTC price manipulation - page 2. (Read 437 times)

What are you saying? based on the data, around 2-3% Bitcoin address are own 90% of total Bitcoin [1] although one address doesn't mean it's controlled by one person and those address might be come from centralized exchange hot wallet, but there's a high chance whales are own 40-50% of total Bitcoin.

But why does we need to worry if the whales are bought most of Bitcoin? It do increase Bitcoin price and make it more scarce, the whales will get benefit if they can pump Bitcoin price and at the same time many retail will get benefit too due to bullish market.

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[1] https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

The possibility of manipulation of bitcoin by whales is very small. If they can manage this, then they will most likely be able to play the price of bitcoin, but in reality this cannot be done in the course of bitcoin, although it is possible to do and bitcoin is very different from altcoins. The amount of Bitcoin in circulation should be held 40-50% by the pope, and this is impossible. So no need to think about this, do the right trades, so that we can get maximum profit, don't worry about this problem.

It's a simple explanation, there are too many things that happen in the market, not just manipulation, fundamentals have sometimes a reason.
It's normal that every market has a whale even though stocks, but I don't know if there's a manipulation in the crypto market, it seems you need a large fund for this, in order that you can manipulate the market price.

Whales are whales, they didn't need to respect the market.
Once the opportunity of making a profit is there, they will grab it, and they will laugh when they saw a weak hand selling their Bitcoin during the correction time.

There's no need for them to respect the market, if they can move it with what they have, they're going to move it all together so that it will be moving in their favor.
But just like us, they have to deal with the market's behavior and it will cost them money to having it move even a bit. Well, I believed that before that the whales were working all together to make the price move on the likes of them. But these days, it's all about the news that they'll be doing to the market to affect even the tiniest investor to make a move like panic selling.

There is no so called respect when a particular whale is going to sell or buy again and vice versa or simply manipulating the market. Mostly whales that only sells or buys hundred of bitcoin doesn't do much actually in bitcoin market.

Unlike if its an institutional investors who sold their particular holdings then do the PR what they did, although this isn't market manipulation but price will be much affected.

It was already been a practice a long time ago. Honesty, it was easy to manipulate the market if you have a lot of money and the capability to do it. But despite this situation, I have to complain about it because of the reason that these whales are also helping the market to keep alive and also for us to make a profit. Just I imagine that without their participation I can't expect such volatility and great development.

As we are in this market where money is involved, certainly expect manipulations exist.

Is BTC price manipulation possible? Maybe, but it would likely take a very large sum of capital, or multiple people working in conjunction to do it. For all of the worry and concern, it is unlikely that any one person or organization really has any significant power to impact Bitcoin's overall value significantly. While BTC price may still be possible to manipulate, movements are far less pronounced than they were a few years ago. In the end, I think it is important to remember that someone will always be working to manipulate the market. But when it comes to Bitcoin, this is not an issue worth losing sleep over.

there are many things going on in the markets

a true market of true user buys/sells.. would have different sentiments per platform.

EG the group of buyers on a british market would want to buy at different times to that at a american market. so you would see peak volumes and offers at different times

also english mining costs are different to that of american miners. so the sentiment of 'values' would be different. meaning the willingness for miners to sell for profit would differ to american miners selling for profit. and same for buyers,

yet many markets price graph line up too coincidentally. they match each other too consistently

this is where arbitraging comes in. these are not normal willing buyers and sellers. but traders in the middle playing each market against each other, using sidechans and stablecoins to move funds from one exchange to another instantly to take advantage of any price discrepancy to profit from the different spreads in each market
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ontop of this there are the 'futures'/options markets
when they do 'shorts' they sell the market causing a price drop to then buy cheaper. when enough do this they can make the price decrease. there are groups that act together doing this in a form of opposite to a pump and dump

then there are the influencers. groups of people trying to push regular users to sell or buy at certain times that suits the influencers, not the users

lastly, there are the exchanges that could but shouldnt insider trade.
this can be done by simply seeing how many deposits totals they have per hour/day to calculate the possible market orders that may hit that day. some exchanges use silly KYC/AML requirements to delay peoples orders hitting the market by setting a delayed exchange time that suits the exchange, rather than let users insta-swap.
they can also shadow trade. by putting small orders in before regular users orders so that the exchange itself always gets the best deals

the last are not "whale", but instead "wall" traders. yes they have whale volume. but their game is to create walls of resistance a few orders below the spread to force the sentiment that the price wont go below or above certain levels pushing users to play within the walls


ways to solve this could be that traders internal and external have to pay a fee to make an order. rather than charged a fee for having an order filled. i dont mean  an extra fee, just a change of when the fee is charged
that way it would stop all the fake orders, wall orders and shadow orders that try to sway the markets

because most market control is done not by regular traders that just buy due to their personal sentiment. but due to the wall orders and arbitrage shadow trading that sets and cancels orders to sway the regular normal users

The presence of whales is the volatility in decentralized assets like Bitcoin, and if you talking about Bitcoin price volatility, whales have a high influence on the price of Bitcoin but we must also know that some other factors that influence Bitcoin price news also have a high influence on the price.

But to say the market is constantly manipulated by whales alone is like limiting other factors that affect the price of Bitcoin as I mentioned above.

There is no respect that is going to be expected from the whales. The whales hodlers are their to make additional profit from the time they have bought the coins. We need to know that the whales are there to make additional profit and so we can expect manipulation for that to happen. The market is not regulated and it is a free market happening in cryptocurrency

One man can send markets either way with a Tweet............ So Musk or Saylor don't have influence?

Powell is whale.

Bitcoin is still small potato's to the markets.

There's always fees to transactions, trades, exchanges with crypto. There will be manipulations and swings with any market, but it is not profitable in most circumstances.

If you are discussing about any market, there are whales.

Whales can be personal to institutional or governmental. You can not exclude governments from manipulations. So far we don't know who is or are Satoshi Nakamoto and even it is not a government, government still engage in the market with suspicious activities.

It is no chance for coincidence when market needs big news to move, governmental news ready to be released very on time. Governments are ready to make it happen on time. If you participated in market long enough that should be more than four years, I think you should be doubtful about governments.

Right now it's mostly manipulated by stock traders. You can see that by watching nasdaq index and comparing it to bitcoin.
When there's a run up on stock indexes some people buy a few thousand bitcoins on exchanges and when indexes fall down the same people sell and bitcoin moves up 5% and down 5% sometimes it's 3% up and down or 2% but it looks like the same money is moving in and out.

In the past market manipulation used to take place in a much simple way. The crypto whales used to move large volume of fund's. This is common, and other forms include fake volume on the Exchanges which shows the project high on the market. The major manipulation trap is through creating fear among the common users.

When something negative about cryptocurrency is spread around, common investors tend to sell fearing it'll not grow again. Nowadays this kind of manipulation isn't giving hands as everyone are aware of the market and know well about it.

Whales are not the ones controlling the bitcoin market price by any means, infact they also work by the volatility dip to set in for a buy, fonsider the bitcoin network as a large open market where everyone participate in daily to buy and sell and including individuals, whales, and institutions, you could get more of this fact in considering the market volume of bitcoin, majorly the price is determined by the proportion of demand from supply and is as simple as the application of the general economics demand and supply in determining coddity price.

it's hard to say that the price of BTC can be manipulated, if there really is a big whale of course he needs to hold at least 20% of the amount of BTC available, I think it could be the market being manipulated, but the fact is with the current price value it takes a lot of money to make price manipulation, we are facing a recovery from a bear market at the moment and you need to read a lot of news in your home to know more about current economic problems in the world, it is better to take advantage of this bear market to invest rather than say the market is being manipulated

Of course they do and that's the way it works. Oil, stocks metal bitcoin or anything can and is manipulated.

JP Morgan get busted doing it and the fine is less than the take.

Do not have the believe that whales are manipulating the market,  holders and traders can make profit if they follow the right direction.

It is bitcoin, not altcoin with low marketcap. Manipulation would be hard if compared.

How are traders manipulating the market when they are only looking for ways to make profit from trading? Simple signal like? Traders are not manipulating anything in my opinion.

It probably depends. If you're going to believe that whales manipulate the market as much as had been suggested in the past (and still do it) then for larger coins like bitcoin they'd probably wait for times to do it when the market has low volatility, low volume and little order book depth so they know they'll push the price far enough in a direction to get a reaction.

For smaller coins, all they really need is an order book without much depth and to work out how cheap it is to pump a coin if no one cares to buy it once it's been pumped.

There's not a bad chance people who are bad at trading or annoyed they made a loss where they think they shouldn't have blamed whales and also a time where whales have been blamed for price manipulation and it was still speculated about long after as to whether it was whales or not. (the best way to tell would be to look at tiny timeframes of a second or 10 to see if all the move came quickly or didn't and only if it comes quickly would it confirm it's necessarily a whale).