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sr. member
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February 13, 2013, 03:35:39 AM
#65
The supply of Gold is nigh infinite with electric powered particle accelerators. 

And you would spend how many millions of $ to produce one ounce of gold?

Or do you believe that gold can go above 1M$/ounce and make the process profitable? If that happens, do you understand how much this gold-producing equipment would cost? And who would care about $ anyway in such a case?

Gold's supply is limited and will be for at least the lives of our generation and our children's generation.
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February 13, 2013, 03:19:15 AM
#64
I'm not too educated on the topic... but from what I've heard gold isn't exactly rare but controlled. I guess the same applies for Bitcoin in a way with hoarders, but Bitcoin is transparent. We know how many there are and we know there are limits (there are no secret deposits of Bitcoins 10000s of feet into the ocean or in some undiscovered area of land), whereas with gold it's  matter never truly lost or destroyed since it's constant... simply broken down into smaller pieces to be discovered later. Bitcoin, however, if you lose a wallet the coins are gone forever not broken up to be rediscovered. I hope the gist is somewhat gotten, I'm not the best at defining thoughts and I'm tired..

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see the point of really comparing the two in the long run.

Agreeing with you, but I would say diamonds' price are more supply controlled than gold realisitically.  The supply of Gold is nigh infinite with electric powered particle accelerators.   Even a Dyson sphere can only mine for so many original coins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_synthesis
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February 12, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
#63
I'm not too educated on the topic... but from what I've heard gold isn't exactly rare but controlled. I guess the same applies for Bitcoin in a way with hoarders, but Bitcoin is transparent. We know how many there are and we know there are limits (there are no secret deposits of Bitcoins 10000s of feet into the ocean or in some undiscovered area of land), whereas with gold it's  matter never truly lost or destroyed since it's constant... simply broken down into smaller pieces to be discovered later. Bitcoin, however, if you lose a wallet the coins are gone forever not broken up to be rediscovered. I hope the gist is somewhat gotten, I'm not the best at defining thoughts and I'm tired..

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see the point of really comparing the two in the long run.
legendary
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February 12, 2013, 09:07:31 PM
#62

d silver a well undervaluated.. The gold price should be arround 33 000$ / ounce if it has followed the last 40 years of inflation, the the CPI supposed inflation.. My guess is gold @ more than 5k$ before 2015 !

I'm a bitcoin-bull like you, but one must not lose perspective. Anyone who bought gold at the 1980 peak has only just got their money back, in inflation adjusted terms, 32 years later! Maybe gold has languished for the reason that bitcoin has so much potential. Gold is useless for remote payments - which is a massive part of the modern world economy.



legendary
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February 12, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
#61
evolve only cares about being right, he will never modify his position even if bitcoin continues its track of success. there will be people like this every step up. same exact thing happened as gold went from $200 to $2,000

Don't tell anyone, but precious metals are overvalued right now too. Wink


IMO, Gold and silver a well undervaluated.. The gold price should be arround 33 000$ / ounce if it has followed the last 40 years of inflation, the the CPI supposed inflation.. My guess is gold @ more than 5k$ before 2015 !
legendary
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Bitcoin
February 12, 2013, 08:17:09 PM
#60

Real nice to read !  This summarize all my points, and I agree with most of them.. Many good points/reason why the BTC price will still under-valuated unless it hit 100$, maybe much more in case of a major economic crash, that have a lot of chance to happen !
ajk
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February 12, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
#59
ill put 250 USD  on that,

im on the over saying that we will be over 20+, can go into finer detail if wanted but i am saying any number of 20+ if your saying under, 20.00/20.01 included,

also would be willing to do a 2:1 type payout to whoever can get closest to the price 3 months from now? this is up to you,
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Borsche
February 12, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
#58
I can say with certainty that bitcoin price would get down at least to $20 in three months timeframe. Would be willing to bet some expensive lunch money on that. We can use betsofbitco.in to avoid the need for escrow Wink
ajk
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February 12, 2013, 06:33:03 PM
#57
no sorry I only participate in bets that I'm certain I'll win, and predicting btc price is not one of those Wink

Well thats no fun, that kind of eliminates you most/all bets considering most things in life have no certainty,

your guess is as good as mine if you want to throw a bet down i can match and I will pay out,
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Borsche
February 12, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
#56
no sorry I only participate in bets that I'm certain I'll win, and predicting btc price is not one of those Wink
ajk
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February 12, 2013, 05:37:05 PM
#55
am I late to this bet? since I've seen 24.60 transactions several minutes ago...

Ya man your not to late ill sill take bets and pay out even though it already happened....(Sarcasm)

No this is no longer a live bet since it dropped to 24.50, only person to reply to me didnt want to wager 2 btc,

You care to set a stake and go for the 250 that i stated originally?
legendary
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February 12, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
#54
am I late to this bet? since I've seen 24.60 transactions several minutes ago...

Got down to 24.50  Smiley
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Borsche
February 12, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
#53
am I late to this bet? since I've seen 24.60 transactions several minutes ago...
ajk
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February 12, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
#52
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February 12, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
#51
Alright im pretty sick and tired of this greed shit, You think that bitcoin is being manipulated heavily right now? are you willing to wager, I will put 250 USD bet on the fact that Bitcoin will not go below 24.75 in the next 5 days, even with the RSI as high as it is, I believe right now most news is good and relative stability is what we have been seeing,

You want to talk shit or put money where your mouth is because if you want to wager more im willing to.

Edit:

Looks like a good time as we are seeing some drops but the bet is still live,

I am allways in for a good bet.  Ok to wager 1 BTC against me?
ajk
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February 12, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
#50


What does greed have to do with this at all? or the reference with musical chairs?

...

Bitcoin is going up. Why ? Because fundamentally it has to just like gold and silver did,

this is true. but greed is a quantifiable thing. take that the bitcoin market behaves in an extremely volatile manner compared to commodities with massive market caps:

the basic hypothesis is that people are irrational and will overestimate rewards vs risk. this will manifest itself in a game of musical chairs where everyone plays along until we reach a really unstable state where everyone rushes to sell sell sell. last one out loses (net loss) because trading is a zero-sum game. this state is "unstable" as the price exhibits extreme volatility, which sometimes can hide the underlying deflation.

while this occurs in all markets, with bitcoin it is exacerbated by the smallness of the market cap. the mechanism for this is related to the interplay between the relative sizes of the trade volume and the market cap. (if mean volume is large in proportion to the market cap, single buys and sells more drastically affect the market).

in other words, this rally could be a 'fluctuation' much larger than the underlying deflationary nature that gold and silver exhibit. the btcusd rate should increase over time, but that does not necessarily mean that this price event is due to that effect.

it could just as easily be musical chairs...

also

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I dont understand how greed would come into play here, and like most who have followed bitcoin the situation we are in now is 100000000000x different than the crash we experienced 1 year ago

>the situation we are in now is 100000000000x different
>100000000000x different



Alright im pretty sick and tired of this greed shit, You think that bitcoin is being manipulated heavily right now? are you willing to wager, I will put 250 USD bet on the fact that Bitcoin will not go below 24.75 in the next 5 days, even with the RSI as high as it is, I believe right now most news is good and relative stability is what we have been seeing,

You want to talk shit or put money where your mouth is because if you want to wager more im willing to.

Edit:

Looks like a good time as we are seeing some drops but the bet is still live,
legendary
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Borsche
February 12, 2013, 06:10:29 AM
#49
possibly because bank transaction is reversible, unlike BTC transaction, so they are trying to minimize risks.
legendary
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February 12, 2013, 05:53:04 AM
#48

That is true, but you should not forget that BUY limit on coinbase is 100 btc while SELL limit is 10x more - 1000 BTC,


That seems crazy. Is there a reason?
legendary
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Borsche
February 12, 2013, 05:45:23 AM
#47
I think there's another component to the recent price rise that I never hear mentioned: it's simply easier now for anyone to buy bitcoins.  Coinbase in particular lets anybody sign up and buy coins immediately with a direct bank transfer.

That is true, but you should not forget that BUY limit on coinbase is 100 btc while SELL limit is 10x more - 1000 BTC, so once this bubble starts normalizing, the same easy method of trading coins would guarantee descent 10 time as fast as the climb up.
sr. member
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February 12, 2013, 05:42:04 AM
#46
BTC $25.22, Facebook $28.26

Facebook is going to crash tomorrow!!!
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