Btc price sideways not what the traders want

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Quote from: justdimin on December 29, 2021, 01:25:46 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG

At the same time, if the market should start going low, you’re still going to be the one to complain that the market has been going low. You know for sure that the market would not go high all the time, and since we have already seen it go up and now the bull run is over, if the market should steady keep going down are you going to be happy about that the sideways (or stable) price that you’re seeing now signifies that the market is growing and the demand is matching with the supply at the moment. There will always be time the market would go up, and there will be times it will go down and times for it to calm down and be stable.

Complains about the movements of the market are very common, however right now people are complaining about the ranging market because they were expecting the bull run to speed up at December but it did not happen.

So people are disappointed that the market did not moved in the way they were expecting and are mad that instead we are seeing a ranging market, it seems they forget that ranging conditions are extremely common and all markets spend most of their time going nowhere with no strong trend, but when money is involved many people simply forget about things like that and only think about their own needs, not understanding the markets do not care at all about what they want or need.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

How about scalping in derivative markets with high leverage during sideways markets? Will not be profitable?
If you are concerned about high fees for frequent trading then I guess you must switch over to spot trading for sideways market conditions and then when you are making the higher number of trades, you may get better discounts in your fees.

Quote from: BuNga_cute on December 29, 2021, 02:25:50 PM

it's not easy to invest or trade Bitcoin. But everything will be fine as long as we believe in the future of Bitcoin

No, if you are confident about the future of bitcoins then investing may not remain a harder one. But, trading bitcoin may never remain easier due to its high volatile nature hence sideways market are not a concern for most bitcoin traders as they have been used to such fluctuations in both long and short duration.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 29, 2021, 12:09:34 AM

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG
Perhaps something for SEC to deal with the finance regulaters want to regulate...well here thing they can regulate now need to stop sideways moves on the markets.
Solution here: we make CME work everyday not just sunday to friday !!
Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

For start let those regulaters sec and those kind of guys who eating donuts do it something useful for traders.
Every trader want this

That will never happen because if the price just moves in upwards or downwards direction the it will be relatively easy to predict the trend.
If it becomes easy to predict the trend then it will become highly volatile since everyone will be doing the same thing.
The pump and dump will take place in huge fluctuations and to be honest we cannot really control the market movements.
It has to occur naturally so that traders can do analysis on real movements and not regulated manipulations.

I would say you can predict the market trend to some extent seeing the trading charts and candlestick patterns but nobody could perfectly time it as the market may respond in unexpected ways which could pump or dump it directly so we need to be extra careful with it.We have to make plans according to the market sentiments not what we feel because there are lot of other factors which can deviate the market prices of any coin which doesn't include personal one's so keep that in mind.

No matter how good the results of our analysis of the movement of Bitcoin, there is still no guarantee that the predictions we make are 100%
accurate. That's why we really have to be careful when deciding whether to invest or trade Bitcoin, we have to plan well. Including preparing
a plan for the worst case scenario that will happen to the movement of Bitcoin, it could be that the price of Bitcoin fell very deep all of a sudden.
The key to success is how we make the right decisions, so it's not easy to invest or trade Bitcoin. But everything will be fine as long as we believe
in the future of Bitcoin, because we will be patient through the process to be able to make a profit from Bitcoin.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 29, 2021, 01:25:46 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG

At the same time, if the market should start going low, you’re still going to be the one to complain that the market has been going low. You know for sure that the market would not go high all the time, and since we have already seen it go up and now the bull run is over, if the market should steady keep going down are you going to be happy about that the sideways (or stable) price that you’re seeing now signifies that the market is growing and the demand is matching with the supply at the moment. There will always be time the market would go up, and there will be times it will go down and times for it to calm down and be stable.

Complaints would be a never ending story.

Pump -- THey would warn that dont get yourself about FOMO
Dump/Crash -- Its the end of crypto market
Sideways movement -- They dont like it because they couldnt make out sure position.

Wherever you do place yourself on such conditions, you would still really able to say something which it isnt surprising.
So as a trader then you should really be versatile.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG

At the same time, if the market should start going low, you’re still going to be the one to complain that the market has been going low. You know for sure that the market would not go high all the time, and since we have already seen it go up and now the bull run is over, if the market should steady keep going down are you going to be happy about that the sideways (or stable) price that you’re seeing now signifies that the market is growing and the demand is matching with the supply at the moment. There will always be time the market would go up, and there will be times it will go down and times for it to calm down and be stable.

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Quote from: pawanjain on November 20, 2021, 08:59:16 AM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG
Perhaps something for SEC to deal with the finance regulaters want to regulate...well here thing they can regulate now need to stop sideways moves on the markets.
Solution here: we make CME work everyday not just sunday to friday !!
Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

For start let those regulaters sec and those kind of guys who eating donuts do it something useful for traders.
Every trader want this

That will never happen because if the price just moves in upwards or downwards direction the it will be relatively easy to predict the trend.
If it becomes easy to predict the trend then it will become highly volatile since everyone will be doing the same thing.
The pump and dump will take place in huge fluctuations and to be honest we cannot really control the market movements.
It has to occur naturally so that traders can do analysis on real movements and not regulated manipulations.

I would say you can predict the market trend to some extent seeing the trading charts and candlestick patterns but nobody could perfectly time it as the market may respond in unexpected ways which could pump or dump it directly so we need to be extra careful with it.We have to make plans according to the market sentiments not what we feel because there are lot of other factors which can deviate the market prices of any coin which doesn't include personal one's so keep that in mind.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 26, 2021, 04:59:35 PM

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End of year lull.
No worries!

No worries indeed but if you do make yourself to be that hopeful then you would really get stressed out. Cheesy

As a trader then expect the unexpected and this had been always the typical thing that you would experience in the market and based up on experience
then i do agree that moving sideways is the most hardest situation on where you do decide whether you do buy or sell specially if you arent seeing
those sentiments around then you would really be finding it to be a big problem.

Being a trader, we need to adapt to the market changes, and the more we become sensitive. Traders will prefer to have an active market where prices move up and down (as naturally, we see in crypto). If the market dump, traders will tend to relax or instead buy more and hold. Because a life of a trader is not always buying and selling, they also have to learn to hold. It wasn't a daring strategy for the traders but can't just avoid it since the market is not always bullish and we can also make a trade every day. That something it change depending on the market situation.

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Quote from: Hobo66 on December 22, 2021, 12:13:24 PM

Actually profit can be made each and every time just it matter that what is the recent price of the coin. Perhaps you have purchase your coin at smaller worth but when few days later you see it the worth will be double therefore it is really fantastic for you. So it does not matter that price is sideways. Some people just focus on crypto signals but i think that not all of these can operate well.

Many traders are still making money even if its on the sideways though of course many are also stop from doing since they prefer a much more active market and that’s fine as long as you know what you are doing you can be good. In trading, we have to timing the market no matter what the situation is, so don’t just panic seeing the sideways, get used to it and trade accordingly.

While I am not in favor of using leverage as I think people take too much risk when they do so, a ranging market that does not seem to be going anywhere seems like the perfect moment to use it.

After all the movements of a ranging market are limited and this puts a ceiling to the profits you can get as well, however if you use some leverage this can be more than enough to allow you to generate some profits during those conditions, which is not bad if we consider that many traders can only generate profits when the market is showing a strong trend.

When it comes on touching leverage on ranging or sideway movements in the market then i do find out on very risk move to make but there are some people who do see it as a perfect opportunity to get
but honestly this is the hardest part even you do know in indicators or technicals on where it could possibly go but still wont be an assurance and if you do compared out on
on a trending kind of situation then you could make out some confidence on making out such move but well this is really varying on someones risk taking thing
plus having good grasps and experience towards leverage.

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Quote from: Hobo66 on December 22, 2021, 12:13:24 PM

Actually profit can be made each and every time just it matter that what is the recent price of the coin. Perhaps you have purchase your coin at smaller worth but when few days later you see it the worth will be double therefore it is really fantastic for you. So it does not matter that price is sideways. Some people just focus on crypto signals but i think that not all of these can operate well.

Many traders are still making money even if its on the sideways though of course many are also stop from doing since they prefer a much more active market and that’s fine as long as you know what you are doing you can be good. In trading, we have to timing the market no matter what the situation is, so don’t just panic seeing the sideways, get used to it and trade accordingly.

While I am not in favor of using leverage as I think people take too much risk when they do so, a ranging market that does not seem to be going anywhere seems like the perfect moment to use it.

After all the movements of a ranging market are limited and this puts a ceiling to the profits you can get as well, however if you use some leverage this can be more than enough to allow you to generate some profits during those conditions, which is not bad if we consider that many traders can only generate profits when the market is showing a strong trend.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 26, 2021, 04:59:35 PM

i do agree that moving sideways is the most hardest situation on where you do decide whether you do buy or sell specially if you arent seeing those sentiments around then you would really be finding it to be a big problem.

I do not call that sideways market is the hardest part of bitcoin market for both traders and investors. Because, traders might love the range bound markets to buy and sell at same kind of levels to profits on daily basis whereas for investors who have been holding bitcoin for years definitely might have seen similar situations where bitcoin usually launch its bullish rally after a sideways market.

Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

This is the reason always spot trading must be a good one for any trader. I have seen many cons of leveraged market and this time that is not a good to go with even for sideways market as well.

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End of year lull.
No worries!

No worries indeed but if you do make yourself to be that hopeful then you would really get stressed out. Cheesy

As a trader then expect the unexpected and this had been always the typical thing that you would experience in the market and based up on experience
then i do agree that moving sideways is the most hardest situation on where you do decide whether you do buy or sell specially if you arent seeing
those sentiments around then you would really be finding it to be a big problem.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

Why you are too much concerned about leverage? Because, you could make profit from crypto trading even without availing leverage. I agree in sideways market, you cannot make big profits still bitcoin market is giving enough movement to make profits for all day traders. Overall in my opinion, leverage here is simply out of context.

Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

For start let those regulaters sec and those kind of guys who eating donuts do it something useful for traders.

Like bullish trend and bearish trend sideways trend also part of every market hence no one could do anything about. You cannot expect market to move wildly at either direction; market also must need some rest Grin

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Quote from: redsun114 on December 22, 2021, 04:45:06 PM

Honestly long term traders do not care about high volatility because it doesn't change much, they care about their entry point and they care about whenever they exit, many long term people who got in VERY early into bitcoin got out, they do not care if it is higher now.

Imagine you got in with 10k dollars back when it was just 100 dollars, you bought 100 bitcoins, now you sell and you have 5 million dollars, I am not entirely sure if people would care their 10k becoming 5 or 6 or 7 million. Sure that's a big change but they are already quite happy so that extra one million may not change so much. Which means there are some people who do not care if it goes sideways or highly volatile, for us, it's the same.

there are only a few people who are able to hold it and not sell it until now. But most people have targets below ATH. nowadays bitcoin is capable of achieving incredible and unpredictable ATH. high volatility will not affect long-term traders, because they enter at the lowest price and then sell according to their long-term target. ATH bitcoin will still happen again, Holders keep holding until now.

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Quote from: Mahanton on December 07, 2021, 05:58:38 PM

I dont see the point or the favoritism of traders on a sideways or consolidation market knowing that there are no volatility or movement in price then i dont see for it to be that good looking since you couldnt really find any entry whether you do buy or sell because you would be having a hard time on telling on where the price
could possibly heads up.

I dont really prefer this kind of condition and i do rather see those high fluctuations yet you could really make out some positions and take
risk on making trades and get those considerable profits if you do succeed.

Honestly long term traders do not care about high volatility because it doesn't change much, they care about their entry point and they care about whenever they exit, many long term people who got in VERY early into bitcoin got out, they do not care if it is higher now.

Imagine you got in with 10k dollars back when it was just 100 dollars, you bought 100 bitcoins, now you sell and you have 5 million dollars, I am not entirely sure if people would care their 10k becoming 5 or 6 or 7 million. Sure that's a big change but they are already quite happy so that extra one million may not change so much. Which means there are some people who do not care if it goes sideways or highly volatile, for us, it's the same.

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Quote from: Hobo66 on December 22, 2021, 12:13:24 PM

Actually profit can be made each and every time just it matter that what is the recent price of the coin. Perhaps you have purchase your coin at smaller worth but when few days later you see it the worth will be double therefore it is really fantastic for you. So it does not matter that price is sideways. Some people just focus on crypto signals but i think that not all of these can operate well.

It varies depending on what trader you are but having these sideways movement wont really bother out those scalpers out there which they dont really care about of being sideways because they could make out moves
on those price volatility which is really a very hard thing to do and this is why im not really that a fan of making scalps because this is something a very hard to be done if you arent that experienced enough.
On this case on where you do see these sideways movement or something that less in volatility then all the thing you do need to do is to wait up.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on November 20, 2021, 05:01:26 AM

Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG
Perhaps something for SEC to deal with the finance regulaters want to regulate...well here thing they can regulate now need to stop sideways moves on the markets.
Solution here: we make CME work everyday not just sunday to friday !!
Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

For start let those regulaters sec and those kind of guys who eating donuts do it something useful for traders.
Every trader want this

You are really pushing it with your posts, what you say makes no sense, the majority of the markets spend most of their time going sideways, and a strong trend, whether it is upwards or downwards, is the exception and not the rule.

There is nothing to fix, this is not an issue and if you cannot obtain profits in the current market conditions then you are the one that needs to do something about it and change your strategy accordingly, and if you cannot do it then that is fine, you can just wait until the market begins to show a strong trend to trade the markets again.

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Actually profit can be made each and every time just it matter that what is the recent price of the coin. Perhaps you have purchase your coin at smaller worth but when few days later you see it the worth will be double therefore it is really fantastic for you. So it does not matter that price is sideways. Some people just focus on crypto signals but i think that not all of these can operate well.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on December 07, 2021, 04:20:47 PM

Quote from: mk4 on November 20, 2021, 06:06:08 AM

There's a reason why leverage exists; so traders can actually increase upside/downside even if prices are fairly flat.

And in the first place— while traders are an important aspect of markets(for liquidity, etc), everything doesn't and shouldn't revolve around them.

It all depends upon the market trend and the trend of the traders. Remember I always say that markets are always uncertain and no one can exactly predict the next step of the market. The rise and fall depend upon the behavior of traders.
Markets can never be controlled artificially. Also, in my opinion, the traders are more interested in scalping trading due to the fact of small quick profits.

I dont see the point or the favoritism of traders on a sideways or consolidation market knowing that there are no volatility or movement in price then i dont see for it to be that good looking since you couldnt really find any entry whether you do buy or sell because you would be having a hard time on telling on where the price
could possibly heads up.

I dont really prefer this kind of condition and i do rather see those high fluctuations yet you could really make out some positions and take
risk on making trades and get those considerable profits if you do succeed.

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the crypto market can go up and down at any time and sometimes it is not according to the wishes of traders. it's okay, it's a normal thing and as traders we must be able to handle it well and how to keep our assets safe and profitable in the future. not everything that we want can happen, we all hope that the crypto market is always good so that we can trade well and the results are also good. but not so, this ups and downs crypto market actually makes traders have to be more challenged and smart to take advantage of the moment.

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Quote from: mk4 on November 20, 2021, 06:06:08 AM

There's a reason why leverage exists; so traders can actually increase upside/downside even if prices are fairly flat.

And in the first place— while traders are an important aspect of markets(for liquidity, etc), everything doesn't and shouldn't revolve around them.

It all depends upon the market trend and the trend of the traders. Remember I always say that markets are always uncertain and no one can exactly predict the next step of the market. The rise and fall depend upon the behavior of traders.
Markets can never be controlled artificially. Also, in my opinion, the traders are more interested in scalping trading due to the fact of small quick profits.

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