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Bitgoblin
April 12, 2014, 08:47:54 AM
Instead of basing the repayment on the result of november and december, you should publish results from January, February and March and base the repayment on the total profit, not just the dividend, since some of the profit was reinvested back into the company.
- OR - just don't buy back since it's violating the contract.

You can't expect to say "your money was useful, now fuck off and die" and walk away clean...
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
April 12, 2014, 07:42:26 AM
Instead of basing the repayment on the result of november and december, you should publish results from January, February and March and base the repayment on the total profit, not just the dividend, since some of the profit was reinvested back into the company.
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Bitgoblin
April 12, 2014, 07:40:24 AM
If you are bankrupt, you have to declare bankruptcy... that's why there are laws regulating bankruptcy...

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Thank you for posting that, mine was in my spam folder...
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April 11, 2014, 06:58:16 PM
Why are we learning this essential information just now?!

Or did I miss some announcement?
thy
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April 11, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
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April 11, 2014, 10:38:51 AM
Good links there with the buyback clause from the listing on Mpex:

"2.2. The Terms of the IPO.

(a) The Directors have elected to divide BitVPS into 1`000`000 (one million) equal non-voting shares with a total equity value of 1`200 BTC (0.0012 BTC each). In the event of liquidation or breach of this Agreement they solemnly promise and warrant to repay all investors holding shares at this minimum value. The Directors through their elected representative solemnly promise and warrant never to issue more shares either on MPEX or any other venue nor in any way to dillute existing shareholders at any point in the future ;"

So it looks like 0.0012 BTC per share is the minimum BitVPS has to offer per share if they like to buy them back.

and the price structure for the first 150 000 shares looks like it was:
 
"(b) Based on the Statements of Profit and Loss published as per 2.1.b above, as well as on evaluation of market demand, future profitability and projected evolution, the Directors have elected to offer in this IPO a total of 150`000 (one hundred thousand) shares, as follows : one block of 30`000 (thirty thousand) shares at a price of 0.0022 BTC each ; one block of 75`000 (seventy-five thousand) shares at a price of 0.0024 BTC each ; one block of 45`000 (fourty-five thousand) shares at a price of 0.0026 BTC each.
(c) The Directors warrant that no further shares will be offered by them for a period of 30 days from the date these offered shares are sold. The Directors further warrant that they will never sell more than half the total shares."

If one assumes that the first 150 000 shares were sold out at there stated price then they raised 30 000 * 0.0022 + 75 000 * 0.0024 + 45 000 * 0.0026 = 66+ 180+117 = 363 BTC there and possibly 700+ btc more if the rest of the shares up to 419 306 that have been sold (accourding to outstanding shares on the link to the btct page) were at 0.0026 or higher price.

According to RG's original contract, at the time of sale, he was supposed to share the proceeds with the investors. We purchased the entirety of BitVPS for 100 BTC. This included simply a domain name, a handful of customers, and rental contracts for servers which were a huge burden as the company was not profitable at the time (BitVPS owned no assets at this time). RG failed to share the BTC he acquired from us, with the investors. At this point we had no obligation to continue supporting the investors.

On top of this, RG was in breach of his own contract for various reasons. BitVPS was de-listed from MPEX as a result. It is outlined in his contract what should be done, by him, in the case of his contract being breached.

We decided to keep paying out dividends while neglecting the fact that we had no real obligation to do so. We are trying to close this chapter in BitVPS's life in a way where we wont go bankrupt. I understand while this may not seem ideal for all, it is what BitVPS can realistically afford while basing the buyout on numbers from our recent financial statements.

We currently have ~$4,500 in the bank. Most of the money for the buyout was going to come straight out of my pocket. BitVPS is already in debt to me for over $8,000 which I decided to just forget about and start with a clean slate. As mentioned earlier there were two options we felt we had. One being this buyout, and the second option being to declare bankruptcy. As much as we wish we could pay 0.0012 BTC per share, it is literally not possible. This amount, unfortunately, would put us directly into bankruptcy. I shouldn't need to explain where bankruptcy would lead us.

To answer some of the other questions:
-0.025 * 1,000,000 = 25,000 (not 2,500!)
-We will grant a three day grace period (on top of the original 5 business days) to claim your shares. Final day for claiming your shares will be 4/18/2014 (typo, edited the date). We will process claims made after this date only under certain circumstances.
-If you need to find out the BTC address associated with your account just send us an email. As long as you email us within the 5 (8 days including grace period) day time frame, you will not be disqualified.

I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any further questions (and comments or suggestions) please ask. You will get a much faster response if you are able to msg me on freenode (nick: arij).
thy
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April 11, 2014, 07:21:18 AM
Good links there with the buyback clause from the listing on Mpex:

"2.2. The Terms of the IPO.

(a) The Directors have elected to divide BitVPS into 1`000`000 (one million) equal non-voting shares with a total equity value of 1`200 BTC (0.0012 BTC each). In the event of liquidation or breach of this Agreement they solemnly promise and warrant to repay all investors holding shares at this minimum value. The Directors through their elected representative solemnly promise and warrant never to issue more shares either on MPEX or any other venue nor in any way to dillute existing shareholders at any point in the future ;"

So it looks like 0.0012 BTC per share is the minimum BitVPS has to offer per share if they like to buy them back.

and the price structure for the first 150 000 shares looks like it was:
 
"(b) Based on the Statements of Profit and Loss published as per 2.1.b above, as well as on evaluation of market demand, future profitability and projected evolution, the Directors have elected to offer in this IPO a total of 150`000 (one hundred thousand) shares, as follows : one block of 30`000 (thirty thousand) shares at a price of 0.0022 BTC each ; one block of 75`000 (seventy-five thousand) shares at a price of 0.0024 BTC each ; one block of 45`000 (fourty-five thousand) shares at a price of 0.0026 BTC each.
(c) The Directors warrant that no further shares will be offered by them for a period of 30 days from the date these offered shares are sold. The Directors further warrant that they will never sell more than half the total shares."

If one assumes that the first 150 000 shares were sold out at there stated price then they raised 30 000 * 0.0022 + 75 000 * 0.0024 + 45 000 * 0.0026 = 66+ 180+117 = 363 BTC there and possibly 700+ btc more if the rest of the shares up to 419 306 that have been sold (accourding to outstanding shares on the link to the btct page) were at 0.0026 or higher price.
thy
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April 11, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
Thy my offer is serious, what stops you to actually auction your business for 10x+ more rather than scam everyone and face some sort of investigation?
I only have a small amount of shares, my concern is more about what others may loose here that invested in this stock if things isen't handled correct.
The second part of your sentence must be aimed to BitVPS/Nameworld.
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April 11, 2014, 05:28:33 AM
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    To this end we have calculated the price to be $0.025/share. This
was derived from taking the average of the final dividends paid for the
last 2 public statements of BitVPS, and multiplying it by 12, for 12
months. Then finally dividing it by one (1) million for the shares and
rounding to the nearest third (3) decimal place.

So they are buying the whole thing back for just $2500?! This implies that average monthly dividend is just $208.

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We’d like to express our sincere gratitude to all shareholders who’ve
been with us since the beginning. BitVPS could not have grown to the
multi-faceted hosting solutions provider it’s become without all of you.

Well, according to your logic, this "multi-faceted hosting solutions provider" is worth only $2500, so it looks like it haven't grown much, you don't need to thank us.

I bet domain name alone is worth way more than $2500.

I would like to correct your calculation, it is actually $25,000 paid total for the company. This is 0.025cents multiplied by 1 million

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April 11, 2014, 04:46:53 AM
Thy my offer is serious, what stops you to actually auction your business for 10x+ more rather than scam everyone and face some sort of investigation?
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April 11, 2014, 02:12:31 AM
nice SCAM
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April 10, 2014, 10:11:56 PM
Completely unacceptable.
thy
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April 10, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
Hello everyone,

We would like to apologize for the lack of communication that we have maintained with our investors over the last few weeks. There have been some big developments going on internally. We will email all investors before the end of March with some big news relating to shares and the future of BitVPS.

Sincerely,
BitVPS
It looks like you forgot to tell shareholders what the big development that has been going on internally was, did you strike a great deal with some big company or something ?
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April 10, 2014, 08:26:13 AM
Calculating purely from the dividends is bullshit. They were not paying out all profit as dividends, they were re-investing to grow the business. The buyout should be calculated from the assets the company has, plus the estimated upcoming dividends.

PS: Make sure you check your spam folder if you don't see the email in your inbox.
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April 10, 2014, 03:18:59 AM
Can I buy the whole thing for 2x that much ?
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April 10, 2014, 01:59:30 AM
I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back?
I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money."

You can keep your 20 dollars but I want you to remember every day that you screwed many investors who trusted in you.
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April 10, 2014, 12:29:42 AM
Quote from: the email
To whom it may concern,

     There have been many developments and changes in Bitcoin securities
sector. We have seen the closure of several Bitcoin Exchanges; from both
securities and FX platforms. This has given BitVPS reason to think about
how we proceed as a publicly listed company. After review with our
general counsel we have decided that the only viable method as a company
is to perform a share buy-back.
     Our goal is to make this process as simple and straight-forward as
possible ensuring you receive your money in an organized and timely
manner. This process will be supervised by the BitVPS management,
general counsel and administrative staff.
We’re offering a rate for buy back that was calculated from the average
of the last two months of BitVPS’ dividends paid, multiplied by 12
months and divided by one (1) million and rounded up to the nearest
three (3) decimal places.We have provided the calculations to obtain the
buy back rate and it is available at the end of this document.
To this end we plan to carry out the buy back in a timed fashion. This
means we will place a constraint on eligibility of inclusion. For
clarification purposes this has been set at five (5) business days from
the public release of this letter. If, after five (5) business days, we
have received no response your shares will enter forfeiture and be
returned to BitVPS.

We have placed this constraint to ensure we are not relying on
individuals to respond. This will ensure the deal can be completed
quickly whilst allowing people adequate time for consultation.

     To sufficiently prove ownership of the associated shares & email
address we will require you to respond from the associated email and
also provide a signed message with the address receiving dividends from
BitVPS.

     This may seem long winded but we are in no position to confirm
details based on information obtained from the previous Exchange
entities - working from a provided list is a difficult situation and one
we must handle appropriately. This method will offer us a level of
confidence we are dealing with the correct investor.

For interested parties, we’re also prepared to offer service credit for
BitVPS services at a rate of $0.035. Services with custom or promotional
prices are still eligible for this plan but they will be billed at the
standard price.

     To provide the correct information please ensure the following
details are provided upon your reply:

Associated Bitcoin address
Signed message “BitVPS Investor� should be provided with the
aforementioned address.
Confirm if the BitVPS investor email address is the address for which
you would like to continue to receive share buy back information from
BitVPS.
Payments will begin on April 14th 2014 and will be paid ONLY to the
signed, verified and previously provided Bitcoin address; there will be
no exceptions given for this.

Example of successful notification for repayment

1. Shareholder confirms the following:
a. That they’ve been receiving dividend payouts
b. Bitcoin address used for payouts
c. signature with associated Bitcoin address
d. E-mail address associated with the provided Bitcoin address
2. Shareholder is paid $0.025 USD for each share of BitVPS in their
possession via Bitcoin. To further provide an offer of a fair rate of
exchange we will use coinbase.com 24 hour average at the time of
payback.

Buy Back Calculations

To ensure this was calculated fairly we used a formula based on profit &
loss over the last 2 months. This ensured an average of recent turnover
to obtain a suitable price. Once this was obtained we performed an
upward rounding to the nearest three (3) decimal places.

     To this end we have calculated the price to be $0.025/share. This
was derived from taking the average of the final dividends paid for the
last 2 public statements of BitVPS, and multiplying it by 12, for 12
months. Then finally dividing it by one (1) million for the shares and
rounding to the nearest third (3) decimal place.

We’d like to express our sincere gratitude to all shareholders who’ve
been with us since the beginning. BitVPS could not have grown to the
multi-faceted hosting solutions provider it’s become without all of you.

     If you have any questions or issues, please do not hesitate to
contact us as soon as possible.

Regards,
The BitVPS Team
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April 09, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
I was seeking some sort of update, got a hold of arij on IRC:

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[12:36] there was an update which was going to be posted on the 1st, we felt it wasnt ready yet. it has been prepared and is ready now
[12:37] it is going to be sent out to all investors via email, and we will host a copy of it on our web server

[12:41] is it good news or bad news?
[12:43] i cannot comment on that
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April 01, 2014, 01:50:06 AM
was it March 2014 or March 2015?
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March 30, 2014, 11:14:39 PM
Checking in to say nothing was received in my inbox. Figured another work week's worth of patience may be due.
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