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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 10, 2022, 07:08:01 AM

Quote from: decodx on November 08, 2022, 02:16:50 PM

But, besides keeping your Bitcoins safe in a hardware or software wallet, you must keep your wallet's backup key and password at a secure place. The backup key is the most important part of your wallet, it can be used to restore your wallet when something goes wrong and if you lose your wallet. You must keep this backup key in a secure place like a safe so that no one can access it except you.

I don't know about this backup key. Is it an option they add in creating your wallet in a software wallet ..
I think I skipped or missed to add up a back up key to wallet

Then I suggest you create a new wallet, save the backup seed and simply move all your funds out of your old wallet and into the new one. This will prevent loss of funds and you can always restore your wallet later if you need to. It's a good practice to backup your wallet seed every time you make a new wallet.

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Quote from: decodx on November 08, 2022, 02:16:50 PM

But, besides keeping your Bitcoins safe in a hardware or software wallet, you must keep your wallet's backup key and password at a secure place. The backup key is the most important part of your wallet, it can be used to restore your wallet when something goes wrong and if you lose your wallet. You must keep this backup key in a secure place like a safe so that no one can access it except you.

I don't know about this backup key. Is it an option they add in creating your wallet in a software wallet ..
I think I skipped or missed to add up a back up key to wallet

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Quote from: decodx on November 09, 2022, 01:26:17 PM

That's right! While it's true that hardware wallets are the most secure way to store your cryptocurrency, they aren't without their drawbacks. It's certainly possible to make a mistake when using a hardware wallet, and remember, there is no customer service to call if you forget an important step or misplace a critical piece of information.

In some cases, someone who uses a desktop hot wallet may even be more secure than someone who uses HW, because they will not relax and think that they are completely protected just because they use HW. The biggest enemy that stalks crypto users is clipboard malware and fake wallets that try to convince the user to enter their seed for some false security reasons.

The advantage provided by HW is that the seed is generated on the device itself and the user is forced to check every piece of information before confirming it. However, many people take it lightly because they think that they will not be the ones who will have clipboard malware or something bad will happen to them with the backup. Every crypto user should always be on guard, regardless of the storage method they use.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

But the disadvantage is that this has led to many people loosing their Bitcoin in their wallet or should I say stuck with access to it.

If they will eliminate this security protocol you will make more disadvantages of the wallet.

I think this a good point because it would be a lot whole lot easier for hacker and scammer in the web to toil with your wallets and eventually your BTC

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At first place you are liable for your security and should protect your seed phrase, which is why it's clearly stated that you should copy down and save your phrase in a secret place where only you could have access to it or can be able to view in time to come.
Anyone who lost access to his wallet doesn't have any control to his assets, but what I does most at times is to store my assets on cex by then you don't have anything to worry about seed phrase, if password is forgotten you can reset and get back your account.

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Quote from: libert19 on November 08, 2022, 09:42:09 PM

If human forgets, it's human's fault and if wallets were to give such option, it would no longer be non-custodial wallet, basically against Bitcoin's ethios.

That's right! While it's true that hardware wallets are the most secure way to store your cryptocurrency, they aren't without their drawbacks. It's certainly possible to make a mistake when using a hardware wallet, and remember, there is no customer service to call if you forget an important step or misplace a critical piece of information.

With that in mind, it's clearly important that you understand how to use a hardware wallet properly. At the end of the day, your money is on the line and you owe it to yourself to do things the right way.

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If human forgets, it's human's fault and if wallets were to give such option, it would no longer be non-custodial wallet, basically against Bitcoin's ethios.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

I know for security and safety reasons thats why Bitcoin wallet have been set to have the seed phrase security.

For all i know, the seed phrase has more to do with the recovery process of a wallet than it does for security. If anything, in terms of security this could actually be a weak point of a btc wallet as you can not restrict access to a wallet as this is more like a master key.

Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

Which is supposed to be ones wallet security pin,but you know as humans forgetting and carelessness is a must in our nature.

They say to human is to error, and this is true and a weakness to such circumstances of owning crypto.
And with all these possibilities against us, I think the best option is to share with our loved ones such secrets to avoid carrying such responsibilities alone.

Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

But the disadvantage is that this has led to many people loosing their Bitcoin in their wallet or should I say stuck with access to it.
Since their is no way you can stair up a forgotten password option in the wallet app

This is one part about crypto that sucks, and the thing with crypto is its either you have the private key or not and if key isn't there... then access is entirely lost, which is why extra care is needed to keep keys well secured to return access to one's coins.
Sometimes I think crypto isn't for everyone as it requires a little extra to use it but with time we shall get it right.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

But the disadvantage is that this has led to many people loosing their Bitcoin in their wallet or should I say stuck with access to it.
Since their is no way you can stair up a forgotten password option in the wallet app

Why should anyone be responsible for the way you handled your wallet keys, don't you think this does not applies to bitcoin alone, just try to mishandled your money in other currencies and smell the taste of loosing them and the fact is that in most cases it is so difficult to regain any lost fund, introducing password or any means to secure your keys from the wallet being used is as if you're making a whole complications of it all because there's no guarantee that you can not forget or mishandled your password since you can take your keys with feeble hands, also savings the password with online storage services is more of a compilation of dangers to the whole thing, it's better not to constitute more problem when trying to solve one.

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In future, when I have a high amount of Bitcoins in it, then I would use more advanced wallet type but for now, I think a software wallet is enough for me to secure my bitcoins.

But, besides keeping your Bitcoins safe in a hardware or software wallet, you must keep your wallet's backup key and password at a secure place. The backup key is the most important part of your wallet, it can be used to restore your wallet when something goes wrong and if you lose your wallet. You must keep this backup key in a secure place like a safe so that no one can access it except you.

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I won't say it's a disadvantage since it's the user's responsibility to properly and safely back up his wallets. This is the most basic and simple thing you're supposed to know how to do if you want to be your own bank and enjoy the true financial freedom.

What about biometric authentication, can such technology be used to generate wallets' seeds? I'm not sure how or if this can be done but won't it solve this inconvenience? I suppose it will make creating and accessing wallets easier and without the need for backups.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2022, 10:47:20 AM

Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

I know for security and safety reasons thats why Bitcoin wallet have been set to have the seed phrase security.
Which is supposed to be ones wallet security pin,but you know as humans forgetting and carelessness is a must in our nature.
But the disadvantage is that this has led to many people loosing their Bitcoin in their wallet or should I say stuck with access to it.
Since their is no way you can stair up a forgotten password option in the wallet app

Seed phrase and pins are two different things, basically you can't memorize the seed phrase so you have to note it down in some format while creating the wallet and you hold the responsibility of keeping it safe cause you want to have your money so you only can access your money. While pin is just an encryption to the login which is a layer of security and you don't need the pin if you have recovery Seed since you can import the wallet into a new one.

And if you say your ignorance can be a reason to lose your money then you will be stuck in the centralized bank trap and broke forever.

Most newbies wallet user sometimes mixes up things between wallet keys, private key, and pin from the wallet phrase:
When you are a none wallet you need to know and be able to differentiate between each of them at whatever point, wallet phrase is the most powerful among them all since the wallet phrase is what holds access to the wallet. But many newbies fail to understand that and they easily believe that with their pin their good to go when the Bitcoin wallet is not the regular centralized bank account where a third party can access the security of the account and even make changes to them.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 08, 2022, 12:30:09 PM

There's been excellence in GUI; sending and receiving bitcoin is already a simple process. The reason why there is still "need" for custodial wallets is that people, not only do they recognize themselves as careless, but they're also irresponsible, and feel more appropriately if they hand over their custody to someone else.

Yes, GUI(specifically with UI) is almost sort of 'good enough', but the UX still needs a lot of work. We could probably say that the UX is 'good enough' when even our grandparents can handle the backup process and security well enough.

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It is our full responsibility as non-custodial wallet owners, so any efforts to back up personal phrases as well as possible with some of the things that have been suggested, the best is on a steel plate that will not fade or corrode, only we store it properly.

I know carelessness is human nature sometimes they forget or neglect to remember it but for me it can be reconsidered as long as saving the seed phrase is in a good place offline which must be done and I never save it online or any document.

I backed up the seed phrase in several places, steel plate, writing paper, more secure engraving all of that in different places that's what I did..

Some examples of how to properly store seed phrases: How best to secure your Private Keys and/or Seed phrase

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Quote from: mk4 on November 08, 2022, 01:08:42 AM

still hoping that some UX expert would find out a better way of handling backups for the typical layperson that would hopefully nearly eliminate the need for custodial wallets.

There's been excellence in GUI; sending and receiving bitcoin is already a simple process. The reason why there is still "need" for custodial wallets is that people, not only do they recognize themselves as careless, but they're also irresponsible, and feel more appropriately if they hand over their custody to someone else.

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Yes there is disadvantage of Bitcoin wallet and wallets in general in other cryptocurrencies. Wallet is absolutely control by you the owner, there is no second or third party in wallet control. So the safety of the wallet is in your hand. You have to write the private key down in 4 different places or more that is safe. Humans are not like computer so differently you will forget some of the words from the key but writing it down is the best option.

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I remember how I used to save private keys or wallet files instead of seeds and I didn't like it at all, but now it's much simpler and anyone can do it without having any advanced knowledge. The real problem is that some don't understand that non-custodial wallets don't have any insurance in case you screw things up, and those who are active in Wallet software could see dozens of cases over the years where new members asked for contact from Electrum developers, thinking that they could help them to recover lost seed or password.

Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

Which is supposed to be ones wallet security pin, but you know as humans forgetting and carelessness is a must in our nature.

It is human nature to constantly change and adapt to new circumstances, and if you want to be successful in something, then you have to change or face the consequences. Bitcoin is still a bit more complicated than taking a bank card and remembering a four-digit PIN, but still not so complicated that most people can't figure it out.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

I know for security and safety reasons thats why Bitcoin wallet have been set to have the seed phrase security.
Which is supposed to be ones wallet security pin,but you know as humans forgetting and carelessness is a must in our nature.
But the disadvantage is that this has led to many people loosing their Bitcoin in their wallet or should I say stuck with access to it.
Since their is no way you can stair up a forgotten password option in the wallet app

Seed phrase and pins are two different things, basically you can't memorize the seed phrase so you have to note it down in some format while creating the wallet and you hold the responsibility of keeping it safe cause you want to have your money so you only can access your money. While pin is just an encryption to the login which is basically a layer of security and you don't need the pin if you have recovery Seed since you can import the wallet into a new one.

And if you say your ignorance can be a reason to lose your money then you will stuck in the centralized bank trap and broke forever.

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The current state of non-custodial wallets definitely ain't for the careless type of person for obvious reasons. There has to be a better way of handling backups though; still hoping that some UX expert would find out a better way of handling backups for the typical layperson that would hopefully nearly eliminate the need for custodial wallets.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 07, 2022, 05:41:23 PM

I know for security and safety reasons thats why Bitcoin wallet have been set to have the seed phrase security.

Wrong. Seed phrases were introduced so that users have an easy way of creating a backup of their wallets by writing down the "entropy" that created that wallet in form of 12 to 24 human readable words.
It has nothing to do with "security and safety reasons".

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Which is supposed to be ones wallet security pin,but you know as humans forgetting and carelessness is a must in our nature.

You are not supposed to memorize seed phrases, you are supposed to create a physical backup from them and store that safely in a secure location.

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