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legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1031
September 02, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed already. I've been out of circulation for a fortnight with almost no web access.
I'm curious about the economic effect of the ipo.

Ethereum has been blamed for sucking btc out of the system and causing a brutal bear market in the alts. Would this be the reverse of that? Btc used to buy selected anon-alts, significantly boosting their prices. Plus the supply/demand effect of tying up thousands of btc-worth of coins in cold storage. Alts like Litecoin get hit both ways - sold as a vehicle to buy SuperNET shares and then excluded from joining the network.

Thoughts?


i think coins lacking innovation will suffer, which is good in my opinion. like you said, coins that aren't part of SN might be sold by people looking for funds to invest with. some people will reject this, ie hodlers of forks. they will write off SN as some giant "ponzi scheme" or whatever terminology. which is also good; the crypto world doesn't need people who are afraid of change.


we're seeing technological innovation in this specific sector happening extremely fast (EXTREMELY!!). i think we'll see a fair amount of people and coins get flushed out with the advent of SN


adapt or perish...
The market should start doing the following:
1. evaluate the coins they own to see if it has any unique features and if not, then I apologize to them for what is about to happen. If they are reading this, then hopefully they can get better price.
2. they can then look for coins with good unique features and a good community to target the coins most likely to become part of SuperNET CORE. it is risky as all the coins look like they will be saying they will get into the CORE, but the people that can properly evaluate the odds, could make some good money
3. they can just buy at IPO and wait for only the actual deals, which SuperNET benefits from and also collect the future dividends.
4. Some NXT assets will also become part of the CORE, and could well start trading on some exchanges

The expected size of offering and thus the userbase of SuperNET is getting pretty large. With the expected value of the future dividends being proportional to the number of users, the larger the IPO, the more the expected value and the higher the expected book value multiple upon trading (up to some saturation limit if it really goes crazy high, but this is not so likely as there is no fancy marketing stuff, just my ramblings)

James

P.S. for those who are worried that SuperNET will somehow compete with BTCD, I hope you are understanding properly now.

People should know , SuperNET does not compete with BTCD. BTCD is heart of SuperNET. is there a competition between the body and heart? Never

always a healthy heart keeps body in the best condition. Cheesy


Sorry - there's been a misunderstanding about my post (not surprising, I was exhausted after travelling all day when I wrote it on my phone - never the best time or way to make a point clear).
The idea was that the SuperNET IPO would actually benefit various coins, in exactly the reverse way that Ethereum had damaged them - over and above any intentional effect it had on a coin's value. By pulling money into bitcoin via Coinomat, purchasing key alts and restricting their supply by hodling, it aims to do almost the exact reverse of what Ethereum did in its IPO.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 506
September 02, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Got some BTCD out of Cryptsy this morning and late this afternoon withdrew the rest
and they seem to be stuck  Roll Eyes
Im done with that place.
newbie
Activity: 64
Merit: 0
September 02, 2014, 11:54:06 AM
Apologies if this has been discussed already. I've been out of circulation for a fortnight with almost no web access.
I'm curious about the economic effect of the ipo.

Ethereum has been blamed for sucking btc out of the system and causing a brutal bear market in the alts. Would this be the reverse of that? Btc used to buy selected anon-alts, significantly boosting their prices. Plus the supply/demand effect of tying up thousands of btc-worth of coins in cold storage. Alts like Litecoin get hit both ways - sold as a vehicle to buy SuperNET shares and then excluded from joining the network.

Thoughts?


i think coins lacking innovation will suffer, which is good in my opinion. like you said, coins that aren't part of SN might be sold by people looking for funds to invest with. some people will reject this, ie hodlers of forks. they will write off SN as some giant "ponzi scheme" or whatever terminology. which is also good; the crypto world doesn't need people who are afraid of change.


we're seeing technological innovation in this specific sector happening extremely fast (EXTREMELY!!). i think we'll see a fair amount of people and coins get flushed out with the advent of SN


adapt or perish...
The market should start doing the following:
1. evaluate the coins they own to see if it has any unique features and if not, then I apologize to them for what is about to happen. If they are reading this, then hopefully they can get better price.
2. they can then look for coins with good unique features and a good community to target the coins most likely to become part of SuperNET CORE. it is risky as all the coins look like they will be saying they will get into the CORE, but the people that can properly evaluate the odds, could make some good money
3. they can just buy at IPO and wait for only the actual deals, which SuperNET benefits from and also collect the future dividends.
4. Some NXT assets will also become part of the CORE, and could well start trading on some exchanges

The expected size of offering and thus the userbase of SuperNET is getting pretty large. With the expected value of the future dividends being proportional to the number of users, the larger the IPO, the more the expected value and the higher the expected book value multiple upon trading (up to some saturation limit if it really goes crazy high, but this is not so likely as there is no fancy marketing stuff, just my ramblings)

James

P.S. for those who are worried that SuperNET will somehow compete with BTCD, I hope you are understanding properly now.

People should know , SuperNET does not compete with BTCD. BTCD is heart of SuperNET. is there a competition between the body and heart? Never

always a healthy heart keeps body in the best condition. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1031
September 02, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Does anyone know how much Ethereum's IPO has raised? I think it's over 30k BTC now but am not sure.
Would be nice to have a benchmark...
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 10:57:56 AM
how many anon cards should we preorder?
we found a real mastercard with $500+ per day, $15K/mo
cost of about $40 per card (not sure on exact!) mailed anywhere in the world

so this is not a binding commit, just to get some sort of idea
you can get more than on card
some of the fees I am not liking, but we are still negotiating


Hi James what are the costs per withdrawal? That would made a difference at 500 a day.
there are many plans
just the first one I see is having one withdraw per month free
then 2%
it is a lot of complex options and this is just the standard plan
we are negotiating as good of a deal as possible
this is with different bank, other one was too slow!

Sometimes when you go for shopping, shops ask for ID to confirm the card is yours. What will happen if there is no name on the card?
Should I say I am "nobody"? Cheesy

They ask for ID when there is a name on the card to verify a match.  When paying with prepaids with no name, no ID is necessary.  I have used prepaids all kinds of places and never been asked for ID.
full member
Activity: 149
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
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>> I don' t like the name too. "Dark Bitcoin" could have been a better choice

>>> I don't really like the name "Bitcoin" to be honest

Don't worry.  If Crypto Currency gets widely adopted in 10-20 years then you won't even know what's behind the scenes. 
There will likely be some world currency the masses use with a name that has nothing to do with the underlying technology.  A technology that is far, far different than anything in use today.

BTCD is just another stepping stone on the way to that future.  It likely won't exist in it's current form in 1-5 years... and that's a GOOD THING!
Progress will completely reshape this crypto world numerous times.

sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 02, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
I would like a debit card aswell. Let me know how & when  Smiley
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
September 02, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
I don't really like the name "Bitcoin" to be honest, but if we're stuck with it the best alternative/complement is definitely BitcoinDark Smiley



hero member
Activity: 635
Merit: 500
September 02, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??


I personally can't login into my old account (got some BTCs stuck there). No response from support, make your own conclusions.
you need to create new account with same email as the first time, and you will see your owed balance in few days
Thanks Tommy.

Just saw your post. Thanks Smiley
hero member
Activity: 635
Merit: 500
September 02, 2014, 08:18:16 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??


I personally can't login into my old account (got some BTCs stuck there). No response from support, make your own conclusions.


Same here I just tried logging in with my details but no good Sad
sr. member
Activity: 256
Merit: 250
September 02, 2014, 08:17:46 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??


I personally can't login into my old account (got some BTCs stuck there). No response from support, make your own conclusions.
you need to create new account with same email as the first time, and you will see your owed balance in few days
Thanks Tommy.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 08:16:54 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??


I personally can't login into my old account (got some BTCs stuck there). No response from support, make your own conclusions.
you need to create new account with same email as the first time, and you will see your owed balance in few days
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 500
0_0
September 02, 2014, 08:16:27 AM
Kristov Atlas briefly mentions BTCD on the World Crypto Network's "Bitcoin Group" show last Friday.  He doesn't like the name, but is intrigued with the dark paper and the ability for Teleport to make BTC go dark.  Thought I'd share Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ZRzzTMABM&list=UUR9gdpWisRwnk_k23GsHfcA#t=1h22m45s

To be honest I don' t like the name too. "Dark Bitcoin" could have been a better choice although I don't like it either.
sr. member
Activity: 256
Merit: 250
September 02, 2014, 08:14:44 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??


I personally can't login into my old account (got some BTCs stuck there). No response from support, make your own conclusions.
legendary
Activity: 1206
Merit: 1000
September 02, 2014, 08:12:35 AM
Kristov Atlas briefly mentions BTCD on the World Crypto Network's "Bitcoin Group" show last Friday.  He doesn't like the name, but is intrigued with the dark paper and the ability for Teleport to make BTC go dark.  Thought I'd share Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ZRzzTMABM&list=UUR9gdpWisRwnk_k23GsHfcA#t=1h22m45s
hero member
Activity: 635
Merit: 500
September 02, 2014, 08:12:13 AM
Wot Cryptorush back!!!
They owe 20k potcoin!!!
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 500
0_0
September 02, 2014, 08:08:27 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??

I tried once to use cryptorush a few months ago.
I got scammed big time there. I couldn't withdraw anything and I had to convert to some panda coin to send to another exchange.
Since then I blocked access to cryptorush and if I try to go there, my computer goes to google  Cheesy
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 07:56:07 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??
nope not yet, but balances from before are now viewable, soi suppose they need time, they managed to resurect the exchange
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1126
September 02, 2014, 07:52:48 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in

cryptorush??? did they pay everyone back  yet??
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 07:40:02 AM
BTCD is also added on cryptorush.in
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