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sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
April 14, 2015, 10:15:06 PM
#45
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 75.565% / 89.085% / 98.621% / 96.570% / 97.444% / 90.168% / 96.891%
3 day is weak no catchup still behind.

the last several days have sucked donkey balls. i keep telling myself to move on... then i think the luck has to change soon. just added another THs today.... added it and 7 hours plus nada... c'mon btcguild. let's start shitting out coins and make daddy happy.

i really should point these across several pools.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
April 14, 2015, 04:43:49 AM
#44
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 75.565% / 89.085% / 98.621% / 96.570% / 97.444% / 90.168% / 96.891%
3 day is weak no catchup still behind.
legendary
Activity: 3578
Merit: 1090
Think for yourself
April 09, 2015, 06:56:35 PM
#43
Pool Luck* (24H ): 152.921%

Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
member
Activity: 64
Merit: 10
April 09, 2015, 12:08:03 PM
#42
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W):  124.459% / 83.921% / 90.956%

Guess they are catching back up...
legendary
Activity: 3578
Merit: 1090
Think for yourself
April 09, 2015, 07:16:45 AM
#41
Pool Luck* (24H): 103.959%
legendary
Activity: 3578
Merit: 1090
Think for yourself
April 08, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
#40
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.


Glad to have your expert opinion on the subject.
Thanks,
Sam
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Credits [CRE] - Community Manager
April 08, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
#39
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.


Harsh, I think OP was voicing how people wouldn't use that pool seeing a 2% fee.

Hence why I prefer Antpool for my S4's.
OP?  LOL... the original poster started this thread in July of last year and was asking about BTCG luck and if all pools used PPLNS.  Somebody (BCwinning) decided to revive this post from the dead and buried to show that BTCG luck is still bad.

LoL I didn't see the dates.....had no idea this thread was that old!

Pretty old, and BTCG still the same :p I mined with them in 2013 and never since lmao
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
April 08, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
#38
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.


Harsh, I think OP was voicing how people wouldn't use that pool seeing a 2% fee.

Hence why I prefer Antpool for my S4's.
OP?  LOL... the original poster started this thread in July of last year and was asking about BTCG luck and if all pools used PPLNS.  Somebody (BCwinning) decided to revive this post from the dead and buried to show that BTCG luck is still bad.

LoL I didn't see the dates.....had no idea this thread was that old!
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1023
Mine at Jonny's Pool
April 08, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
#37
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.


Harsh, I think OP was voicing how people wouldn't use that pool seeing a 2% fee.

Hence why I prefer Antpool for my S4's.
OP?  LOL... the original poster started this thread in July of last year and was asking about BTCG luck and if all pools used PPLNS.  Somebody (BCwinning) decided to revive this post from the dead and buried to show that BTCG luck is still bad.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Credits [CRE] - Community Manager
April 08, 2015, 12:09:01 PM
#36
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.


Harsh, I think OP was voicing how people wouldn't use that pool seeing a 2% fee.

Hence why I prefer Antpool for my S4's.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
April 08, 2015, 10:01:34 AM
#35
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
you fucks think your so intelligent you're fucking stupid.
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
April 08, 2015, 07:16:32 AM
#34
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
Depends on if the luck% takes the fee into consideration ...

If it does, then the pool block luck is higher than that.
If it doesn't, then the payout PPS% is lower than that.

... also depends on what orphans are counted as ...

So luck could really be 64.888% or 60.888%.  Hmm, it's still bad luck.
What's the CDF[Erl] of that 24hr number?

It seems quite common for people to see a low luck number and not take into consideration how often that is expected to happen.
If one was to assume they got 3 blocks with an average luck of 63% (i.e. mean diff% of 1.59%) - the CDF[Erl] is ... 0.85 ... so very roughly once a week, 3 blocks are expected to be below 63% luck Tongue

Of course at 3 months, 91% luck certainly seems pretty bad for their hash rate ...
Assuming average about 4 blocks a day for 90 days - 360 blocks luck 91% (i.e. mean diff% 109.9%) - the CDF[Erl] is ... 0.967 - ouch Tongue
So since that's 3 months worth, you expect that or worse about ... once every 7.5 years Tongue

Of course the above is assuming I've calculated them correctly and properly understood organofcorti's explanations of how to calculate them Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
April 07, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
#33
Our 3-month luck is 100% the fault of the block withholding.  That effect will keep our 3-month luck down until that activity (most of May and early June) is no longer a part of the 3-month average.
With all due respect, that's ridiculous.  Guild's 3-month luck will never reach 100% (99% + orphan) or above if the daily, weekly, and monthly values are sub 99% consistently, which they have been for months now.

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The group that did the withholding is the ONLY EVER PROVEN block withholding to take place.  And what happened?  Their accounts were frozen with what few coins were not yet paid.  They were notified, and after days of communication the problem was found.  Their explanation and looking at their share history clearly pointed it was a software glitch related to a 32-bit integer overflow.  It was discarding shares with a difficulty greater than 2^32 due to the overflow.  48 hours later they resumed mining on BTC Guild and after finding multiple blocks they had their accounts unfrozen.
And you put your thumbs in your ears yelling at everyone saying "everything is fine".  Low and behold there was a withholding attack underway even though it was innocent.  I don't believe that there aren't similar issues, either intentional or otherwise, currently taking place on Guild.  However, I'm well aware that detecting those actors and isolating them is near impossible.  Don't take it personally, but shit is happening on your pool whether you'd like to admit it or not.

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We are at 91.6% out of ~99% expected (orphans make 100% unlikely) for the month.  That 1-month average has varied from 91% to 97% over the last 2 weeks.  All it takes are a few long blocks to drastically change the averages.  All it takes are a few really fast blocks to drastically change them right back.
This is true, but I'm watching the long term luck continue to drop.  Previous to early 2014 Guild was always a good percent or two above 100.  I know there's been suggestion from users/talk of removing that stat all together.  I'm glad you haven't because that would reek of sweeping the facts under the carpet.

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They are going to swing more drastically and more wildly as time goes on, because public pools will be gone within a year unless something changes drastically in the mining ecosystem.  All the major public pools are now under 20% of the network combined.  
Short term variance is expected, especially in smaller pools.  However, we all know the common arguement to the contrary is that the variance over time evens out.  In this case, "over time" is showing that there are problems and the organic balancing of variance isn't occuring.



Before you lose your shit as usual, I'd like to sympathize with you.  I love Guild, and I greatly appreciate you as an operator, full stop.  I've been mining with you since Jan of 2012 and hate to leave, but it is what it is.  

I thought Eligius froze and confiscated @400BTC from a block withholding miner? ( not sure if those coins where ever paid out to the miners that got ripped off)
legendary
Activity: 3578
Merit: 1090
Think for yourself
April 07, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
#32
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
Depends on if the luck% takes the fee into consideration ...

If it does, then the pool block luck is higher than that.
If it doesn't, then the payout PPS% is lower than that.

... also depends on what orphans are counted as ...

So luck could really be 64.888% or 60.888%.  Hmm, it's still bad luck.
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
April 07, 2015, 07:48:37 PM
#31
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
Depends on if the luck% takes the fee into consideration ...

If it does, then the pool block luck is higher than that.
If it doesn't, then the payout PPS% is lower than that.

... also depends on what orphans are counted as ...
legendary
Activity: 3578
Merit: 1090
Think for yourself
April 07, 2015, 07:16:05 PM
#30
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee

That luck would be better with a 0% fee?  Bad luck is bad luck regardless of fee's.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
April 07, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
#29
Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 62.888% / 76.267% / 88.769% / 90.841% / 95.706% / 91.032% / 96.847%

very lame.. especially with a 2% fee
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
July 09, 2014, 05:39:18 AM
#28
Got it, so you're using extremely short term figures.  Good thing you didn't try BitMinter during their 3 day long block, you might've had 0%!


90.275% 1-month luck
91.472% 3-month luck (which includes the 1 month where there was a proven block withholding attack, meaning it includes the worst month in the entire history of the pool)
98.137% luck since September 2013.

These are out of 99%, which would be the target assuming a 1% orphan rate.

Midterm figures don't look so great either...

Approximate Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 72.854% / 79.282% / 81.896% / 81.844% / 90.275% / 91.472% / 98.137%


Something is broken. I've supported BTCGuild for a long time but the pool will soon die if this doesn't turnaround very soon.

At under 10% of the network, calling 2 weeks "midterm" is one hell of a stretch.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1004
Glow Stick Dance!
July 09, 2014, 05:28:23 AM
#27
Got it, so you're using extremely short term figures.  Good thing you didn't try BitMinter during their 3 day long block, you might've had 0%!


90.275% 1-month luck
91.472% 3-month luck (which includes the 1 month where there was a proven block withholding attack, meaning it includes the worst month in the entire history of the pool)
98.137% luck since September 2013.

These are out of 99%, which would be the target assuming a 1% orphan rate.

Midterm figures don't look so great either...

Approximate Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 72.854% / 79.282% / 81.896% / 81.844% / 90.275% / 91.472% / 98.137%


Something is broken. I've supported BTCGuild for a long time but the pool will soon die if this doesn't turnaround very soon.
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
July 09, 2014, 05:24:00 AM
#26
Got it, so you're using extremely short term figures.  Good thing you didn't try BitMinter during their just-under 3 day long block, you might've had 0%!


90.275% 1-month luck
91.472% 3-month luck (which includes the 1 month where there was a proven block withholding attack, meaning it includes the worst month in the entire history of the pool)
98.137% luck since September 2013.

These are out of 99%, which would be the target assuming a 1% orphan rate.
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