[BUG] Satoshi Nakamoto moving his coins at this moment !!! - page 2.

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Quote from: Amitabh S on August 04, 2015, 10:22:48 PM

How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.

I think they were sybil attacked. My idea of how they were attacked is as follow:

Somehow bc.i was disconnected from all of the nodes they had previously been connected to. Then an attacker proceeded to perform a sybil attack by attempting to make sure that bc.i's node was connected only to the attacking nodes. The attacker then created an orphan chain starting at block 1 and fed that to blockchain.info. Then they included several transactions which spent the early coins and made it seem as if Satoshi had moved his Bitcoin. Since many people use bc.i, they were tricked into thinking that Satoshi had moved his coins.

What I posted above is absolutely what happened, but is what I think is most likely to have happened.

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Quote from: Amitabh S on August 04, 2015, 10:22:48 PM

How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.

there is no bug in bitcoin.. there was however a bug in the website known as blockchain.info where it displayed data wrong.. this is more evidence that people should stop trusting centralised services.. because even if they have good morals and ethics, they can still mess up

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Quote from: franky1 on August 04, 2015, 09:32:35 PM

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Quote from: errornone on August 04, 2015, 06:03:45 PM

satoshi only has 50 BTC? Huh

I thought he has 1 million of them.

He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.

nope.. its far less than 1million.. in the first few days he was throwing away addresses purely for debugging. so lots are just lost. then people like hal finney joined him in mining along with another 6 in those very early days.. by the end of 2009 there were more than a dozen people mining..

so not that much stayed in satoshi's hands

How did this bug happen? I haven't seen any details by bc.i.

Somehow bc.i showed a fake tx. How? Whats the tx hex? Wat this signed properly? etc etc.. May questions.

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Quote from: achow101 on August 04, 2015, 08:30:12 PM

Quote from: errornone on August 04, 2015, 06:03:45 PM

satoshi only has 50 BTC? Huh

I thought he has 1 million of them.

He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.

nope.. its far less than 1million.. in the first few days he was throwing away addresses purely for debugging. so lots are just lost. then people like hal finney joined him in mining along with another 6 in those very early days.. by the end of 2009 there were more than a dozen people mining..

so not that much stayed in satoshi's hands

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Quote from: Za1n on August 04, 2015, 09:28:15 PM

About time he gets around to spending them. The sooner those mystery coins are in circulation the sooner they can get priced in the market and Bitcoin can take off. There is probably a lot of fear that if the market got too high in the future, say in the $10,000 per BTC range those millions would suddenly be shaken loose and the market dump.

Very good point they hang over the heads of all of us like the sword of Damocles .

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About time he gets around to spending them. The sooner those mystery coins are in circulation the sooner they can get priced in the market and Bitcoin can take off. There is probably a lot of fear that if the market got too high in the future, say in the $10,000 per BTC range those millions would suddenly be shaken loose and the market dump.

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Quote from: errornone on August 04, 2015, 06:03:45 PM

satoshi only has 50 BTC? Huh

I thought he has 1 million of them.

He has a lot, estimated to be a little more than 1 million. However, his Bitcoin is spread over several hundreds, maybe thousands, of addresses when he was mining Bitcoin in the early days.

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"Funds attributed to Satoshi Nakamoto have not moved. They are unconfirmed by the Bitcoin network and likely spoofed. More details to follow."

Source: https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/628615828997586945

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satoshi only has 50 BTC? Huh

I thought he has 1 million of them.

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Quote from: unamis76 on August 04, 2015, 01:47:52 PM

It seems blockchain is releasing statement later today. Meanwhile they're only connected to 22 nodes. Maybe they're systems crashed and somehow some nodes were relaying fake info and they got those? Or maybe they were "trapped" connecting to nodes relaying fake information? Is this possible?

Yes it's possible to take fake info. But it's not possible pool them because you need "digital signature"...

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Quote from: unamis76 on August 04, 2015, 05:16:10 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on August 04, 2015, 05:10:50 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on August 04, 2015, 05:07:11 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on August 04, 2015, 04:55:10 PM

This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains. This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy

Downsides in everything, I guess

Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

Quote from: coinpr0n on August 04, 2015, 02:41:49 PM

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

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Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz 2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

So it seems, but that's not an official blockchain source...

Yep, until now no official reports from blockchain.info. Makes me wonder what is really happening with their service and block explorer.

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Quote from: dothebeats on August 04, 2015, 05:10:50 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on August 04, 2015, 05:07:11 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on August 04, 2015, 04:55:10 PM

This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains. This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy

Downsides in everything, I guess

Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

Quote from: coinpr0n on August 04, 2015, 02:41:49 PM

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

Quote

Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz 2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

So it seems, but that's not an official blockchain source...

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Quote from: unamis76 on August 04, 2015, 05:07:11 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on August 04, 2015, 04:55:10 PM

This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains. This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy

Downsides in everything, I guess

Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

Yeah the problem seems to be persisting and targeting the assumed addresses of Satoshi, which might cause some excitement and whatnot over the folks that are too eager to know who he/she is. I thought it's a pushtx API problem?

Quote from: coinpr0n on August 04, 2015, 02:41:49 PM

There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

Quote

Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz 2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

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Quote from: americanpegasus on August 04, 2015, 04:55:10 PM

This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains. This is a ridiculous issue to have.

If the coins really moved and it was unknown they did, the market wouldn't have the chance to move down so everyone could buy more coins... Cheesy

Downsides in everything, I guess

Still waiting for that statement from blockchain, genuinely curious about what happened.

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This is exactly why we need Monero and private blockchains. This is a ridiculous issue to have.

--Encrypted--

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hee-ho.

Quote from: spazzdla on August 04, 2015, 03:20:20 PM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on August 04, 2015, 02:12:13 PM

blockchain and their issues. I don't feel safe storing my btc there anymore. time to switch to electrum.

You only use one wallet type... why?

Blockchain.info is the perfect "spending" wallet. Using it for cold storage is a terrabad idea though, terrabad.

I don't have any reason to use a cold storage at the moment (because I always spend my btc) so one wallet type is fine. and I've been wanting to switch to electrum for a while now, anyway.

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Quote from: --Encrypted-- on August 04, 2015, 02:12:13 PM

blockchain and their issues. I don't feel safe storing my btc there anymore. time to switch to electrum.

You only use one wallet type... why?

Blockchain.info is the perfect "spending" wallet. Using it for cold storage is a terrabad idea though, terrabad.

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https://cryptoworld.io

i was excited like my first date and going to the first base Cheesy

at the end it's better that those coins remain unspent

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#Free market

Now it seems that the problem has been resolved. Check the bitcoin address(es):

- https://blockchain.info/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX
- https://blockchain.info/address/1JfbZRwdDHKZmuiZgYArJZhcuuzuw2HuMu

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There seems to be a problem with blockchain.info's (pushtx) API...

https://twitter.com/maraoz/status/628628997211996160

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Manuel Aráoz ‏@maraoz 2h
Just managed to "spend" block reward from block 1000 https://blockchain.info/tx/2e6832a424b1984005deb0a9b7a32a557828677c4078d16986870171dde813ec … - confirming it's a problem with bc.i pushtx API

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