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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

There are bumping related rules which restrict a user from bumping the sales thread before fixed time. But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads. They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

If you claim that the threads are bumped using their alt accounts then you should also provide the valid evidence that the account belongs to the same person, if you did then all the accounts involved is at the risk of getting temp or permanent ban for violating the 24 hour bump rule.

In general the threads are bumped using freshly created random newbie accounts so its not really possible to provide any solid evidence in that case you can make a reply about the inappropriate way of bumping in the thread and also report it to mods to see anything further can be done in such case.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads.

Link the proof, I really wanted to check if they alt. If you have proof then feel free to post it somewhere on a reputation board as I believe they deserve attention. But if you have no evidence, then it is a false accusation.

It is such an assumption accusation. Op can be correct or should I say he is correct, but since there is no evidence, his accusation is generic and hence does not hold water. The benefit of this post is that if the persons doing that would see this post, they will tend to refrain or reduce the rate at which they do such. It could be called an awareness campaign.

If OP so have a concrete evidence, they can produce, I know the moderators don't joke with any issue of spamming or bumping on the service thread.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads.

Link the proof, I really wanted to check if they alt. If you have proof then feel free to post it somewhere on a reputation board as I believe they deserve attention. But if you have no evidence, then it is a false accusation.

Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

There seems to be no rule that prohibits someone from owning alt especially if it is used legally for things that do not violate the rules and norms that apply in society. The shilling service is definitely there, and sometimes you'll just be made irvisible by posters unrelated to the project like just a question or two or a review. If you find it ^{[don't want to reveal it]} then report it to moderator. Let them handle it.

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Quote from: skarais on August 30, 2022, 11:26:30 AM

Quote from: Despairo on August 30, 2022, 11:18:11 AM

It's called shills since they're a group who only have a purpose to promote their project by doing everything that they can even it's an illegal way. This forum has no rule about shills, but most project which using this method often an exit scam project or high risk of losing money. That's why their accounts got tagged due to shills a project, it's also warn to people for carefully before use their service or invest.

It's true, I think shillers have been flagged before because they get paid just to hit a different thread and offer a fairly dubious product or something. They have no other task than just doing the shill across multiple threads, so it's very different if they're done in the same thread.

So that's the case, I know shiller but I guess the case is different based on what the OP described.

Some groups offer shilling services which I believe those services are done on social media especially Telegram while some people also bump sale threads either but they are not shiller. They are called ANN threads bumping services and an issue like this once happened some years ago and once discussed here.
Meanwhile, OP needs to provide an evidence though.

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Quote from: Despairo on August 30, 2022, 11:18:11 AM

It's called shills since they're a group who only have a purpose to promote their project by doing everything that they can even it's an illegal way. This forum has no rule about shills, but most project which using this method often an exit scam project or high risk of losing money. That's why their accounts got tagged due to shills a project, it's also warn to people for carefully before use their service or invest.

It's true, I think shillers have been flagged before because they get paid just to hit a different thread and offer a fairly dubious product or something. They have no other task than just doing the shill across multiple threads, so it's very different if they're done in the same thread.

So that's the case, I know shiller but I guess the case is different based on what the OP described.

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Quote from: skarais on August 30, 2022, 10:49:42 AM

But to be honest, I don't know if that can be considered as abuse if they are actually partners.

It's called shills since they're a group who only have a purpose to promote their project by doing everything that they can even it's an illegal way. This forum has no rule about shills, but most project which using this method often an exit scam project or high risk of losing money. That's why their accounts got tagged due to shills a project, it's also warn to people for carefully before use their service or invest.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads. They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

As other users have said, you can report them to a moderator and you can actually tag them for alt if you can show valid evidence. I don't know which user you're talking about, but if you don't mind, it's best to tell us about them and which thread they're abusing.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 30, 2022, 10:01:34 AM

It could in reality be different people who have decided to partner up and bump each other's threads. It will be difficult to prove it's the same person if they are careful. Maybe the registration dates of the alleged connected accounts can shed some more light on whether or not there is a connection.

It must be difficult if they are not the same person but have the same duty to maintain the above thread. But to be honest, I don't know if that can be considered as abuse if they are actually partners.

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Quote from: aysg76 on August 27, 2022, 08:30:30 AM

The forum don't have any specific features for checking this out but you need to do a manual check like if you are suspicious that alt account are bypassing this rule by bumping up the thread you can report them in this thread : Re: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q1)

I think that should only be used if there is supporting evidence like blockchain data or same social media accounts registered and provided from all connected accounts. Having a hunch that the accounts are connected or operated by the same individual is not enough to be considered evidence.

It could in reality be different people who have decided to partner up and bump each other's threads. It will be difficult to prove it's the same person if they are careful. Maybe the registration dates of the alleged connected accounts can shed some more light on whether or not there is a connection.

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He is not active from two days and we need to wait for some time so that he can submit the thread or the account he was actually pointing out to because till then we can't decide what he is saying is right or not.

The alt account is allowed on the forum if you keep work according to the rules as many members have them but if you are bumping up the thread or meriting from your alt then it's violation of the rules and can get your account banned if you report it to the threads or moderators.

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This is something the forum administration has already addressed. Certain subs are ordered based on the activity/merit that people who have posted in the thread during the preceding 7 days, along with the activity/merit of those who "super bump" threads. See the above thread for more specific information about how threads are ordered.

I understand that only certain boards are ordered this way, largely due to the prevalence of the exact problem mentioned in the OP. If there are example of this happening in subs not ordered this way, it would be best to bring specific examples of this kind of activity, even if explicit evidence is unavailable, and these subs may be considered to have threads ordered via the above means.

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I don't think you have enough proof of your claim. But if you have enough proof, it's a serious accusation. Bumping with main account or alt account is same. You can't bump with your alt within 24 hours.
Can you please link the thread/service you are talking about or at least put some clues? If you have problem posting with main account, consider creating an alt account.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

There are bumping related rules which restrict a user from bumping the sales thread before fixed time. But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads. They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

Apart from it being unethical leaving positive review(s) on personal thread(s) with an alt, I don't think it's even an issue bumping one's thread with an alt. Alts are frown at when there's a motif to cheat or circumvent a process as it would be when leaving positive reviews judging with this alleged case, otherwise it shouldn't matter. Beyond that, I don't know why anyone would want to bump their thread with an alt when they can do it from their original account. All one has to do is just make sure it's at least 24hrs before repeating the bump by also deleting their previous. However, OP, if you notice an abuse of this process; report it to a moderator by hitting the link on the down right side of the post. It's that easy.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

Is there any way to put a check on this ?

• Create a thread or reply (here), with evidence that the accounts are related.
• Report the thread to moderators and in the report, link the connected accounts and the thread(s) they are bumping.
• You can also leave a tag on the account (preferably neutral).

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

Is there any way to put a check on this ?

The forum don't have any specific features for checking this out but you need to do a manual check like if you are suspicious that alt account are bypassing this rule by bumping up the thread you can report them in this thread : Re: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q1)

The other way around is reporting to the moderator and delete that post but you need to provide evidence in each case so you can check if they are using same address, telegram account or something similar in them which needs some investigation.As on mere speculation any action can't be taken.

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If you have a proof that the OP of the sales thread is using alt account to bump the thread, Just click the report to moderator button on the post so that admin can delete the post and punish the op for violating the bump rules. You should attached the link of the sales thread that you are accusing so that forum member can investigtae because it’s so easy to spot them by checking the post history of each account.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2022, 05:56:30 AM

There are bumping related rules which restrict a user from bumping the sales thread before fixed time. But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads. They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

The best way to deal with such posts is to report them to the moderators as low value spam. If they are excessive, some newbie accounts might even be banned for such behavior.

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First, it would be good if you can update your first post with examples of what you are talking about so we can take a look. To prove that some sellers are using alts, you will have to provide some evidence of it (which won't be easy).

Least you can do is to report couple of posts (explain why exactly you are reporting them) and see whether they get deleted.

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There are bumping related rules which restrict a user from bumping the sales thread before fixed time. But some members are bypassing this by using alt accounts to bump their threads. They just some question related to the service or leave a positive reply on the thread. Is there any way to put a check on this ?

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