Topic: [LIST] ANN threads that are using bumping services (Read 7294 times)

RaiseX: Daily signal for trading, access to the VIP club of traders is using bumping service account to create fake engagement in their thread.

Now given that trading signal groups are usually scamming, most people will definitely ignore RaiseX, but it's good to identify their bumping service accounts for future reference

Archive - https://ninjastic.space/topic/5456653

OP - Gatyre1
1. BreDvarD
2. PancherSh
3. Aptekary
4. MidnightWolf
5. AngellSky

Well, funny you should say that, because these were oddly reminiscent of the ones I see over at the Altcoin section. So, you might be onto something there. I've never really taken a look at where they're coming from, but they use the same techniques, same patterns, and well could well be the case that they have a monopoly over this forum in the bumping department anyway.

I've asked another member of staff to take a look into this in more detail, but I've cleaned up the majority. Just need to clean up the replies to the now deleted posts.

My guesstimate is that they are responsible for at least 90% of the thread bumping on bitcointalk in the last couple of years (nutildah was the first who identified them back in 2019), basically having monopoly on this.


They are doing the same thing on every possible platforms, from reddit and and Facebook to LinkedIn and Medium. You can check full overview here.


Yeah, gotta appear as professional as possible to attract the clients.

In the process of cleaning it up. Their posts were very low quality, generic questions, and all basically have only posted in this thread recently. They also strategically answered each other, i.e waiting 10-20 minutes to assure that the thread stayed near the top of the section. Also, taking a further look, they all woke up around the same time, and also changed their passwords around the same time. I suspect these were either compromised around the same time. However, quite clearly owned by the same person/group. If they've been compromised like I suspect, I imagine this is a bumping group which advertises they bump via aged accounts.

Interesting, they have their own website dedicated to this sort of service, they're probably raking in the money, yet most bumping services (pretty much every single one of them) are of such low quality, that they're usually obvious. These guys are not only neglecting the forum rules, they're likely doing this other places, so they have a complete disregard for other communities, but are getting paid pretty sweetly, and doing the bare minimum of effort.

I didn't realise we had already got to the stage of people creating their own website with fancy wording for fake conversations.

Yep, no doubts that those are sock puppet accounts whose only purpose is to fake interest in Coinslotty thread. The only question is whether they hired bumping service or are they are doing it by themselves. Using very old accounts is Vitor Services ( who is behind the biggest thread bumping service) M.O, but they are usually active in other threads as well, and not only one like in this case.

Gonna tag those sock puppet accounts and lets see if they bring more.

Something suspicious has been going on in this thread in Gambling Board: Coinslotty.com | Up to 20% Cashbacks | Crypto casino | Multi currency wallet

Several newbie accounts have been bumping the thread over the past few months (from the very beginning) with mostly useless one-line comments or questions about casino. Especially suspicious is that all of these accounts began posting exclusively in Coinslotty thread after an extended period of inactivity in their posting history.

List of suspected accounts:

BrandonMarshall   
aqzqai001      
l0ck3   
jeep.jeep      
duffy22   
mrtornado   
predix   
Sergey2013   
JonasBros      
inthea      
cookiewise   
Mr_New      

As GamblingBro noticed first, I also believe the casino has hired a bumping service or bought some old accounts that are being used to create fake activity in their ANN thread.

I don't know. It probably warrants taking a look into it further. Although, bumping bots are quite common, I do believe even Howey coin has been subject to these types of bumping bots, I'm not entirely sure why that is, and why they've done that, but I do believe I've seen it, and I don't mean the sarcastic remarks about it, but rather the exact same pattern of bumping groups.

It definitely isn't good, but I like to operate on a innocent until proven guilty, and while it doesn't look great correlation doesn't equal causation. If anyone wants to take a further look into it, and can find any other supporting information, it might save a lot of spam in the future.

Yeah, seems like the Copper Membership was a ploy to prevent getting spotted as quickly, since not all staff can ban them. Obviously, they can remove the posts, but banning them is the real preventive measure. Obviously, these bumping groups are usually within the hundreds of accounts, so banning isn't the absolute solution, but it definitely slows them down more than just deleting their posts.

Sup @GazetaBitcoin (and other fellas)

I've been reluctant so far to tag OPs of the threads that are using bumping services as I wasn't 100% sure that they were part of it. The only time (iirc) when I tagged them if they were doing the same thing as the other bumping  accounts, like it happened recently with that bumping group that consisted of Copper Members.

What I sometime do though is that I try to communicate in their thread and explain them how bad and pointless what they are doing actually is, like I did in Ownr Ann group recently and from what I can see they stopped with that so I guess it worked.

Sup fellas


It's been a while since my last post here... In this time I bumped accidentally into another topic initiated by btcltcdigger, this being the reason for quoting the above-mentioned posts. The topic in question is [ANN][ICO] ⚡ ZEEX ⚡ ⚡ CRYPTO TO PRODUCT ⚡ NO FIAT, NO FEES ⚡ and it was also full of spam. After reporting 1764 posts from it, it still has 48 pages remaining. OP is again btcltcdigger and he allowed again all the spammers paid for bumping services to act free inside his topic.

If at first time I was just wondering how that was even possible, considering this user's reputation, seeing that it happened twice already raises more question marks. Is btcltcdigger accepting payments for initiating such topics? Is he creating these topics being aware of their "evolution"? I don't know if he uses any notification bot, but I see that he never replied here, after the earlier posts. Maybe he will do it now. However, I, on my side, intend to check all his topics... I am curious to see if I will find other similar ones. I am not sure yet if the user needs any tagging for performing these activities but, however, having (at least) 2 topics created by him for the sole purpose of spam is, certainly, not good.

Yeah, we've mostly caught up with the problematic threads, now its just old, and mostly redundant threads. Reporting in actively posted in threads is always more beneifical, but the bumping changes that theymos made has pretty much prevented these types of threads being viewed by the majority of the forum, since a lot will only check the first few most recent pages.

I'm actually going through the entire sections of announcements, and just removing spam as I go along, as well as cleaning up threads which don't fit. I'm also sorting out a userscript to see if I can sort of spot things a little easier than before. Although, still haven't worked out the best way of implementing it.

It's been kinda quiet on the thread bumping scene lately, but looks like I stumbled upon another case, coming from the thread that is known to many, OWNR Wallet! Buy, exchange and store crypto. Order Visa prepaid card. They even had signature campaign going on for some time but I guess they thought that way of promotion is too expensive so they turned to something far cheaper, but way less effective. I can somewhat understand shitcoins going for this "marketing technique" as creators of those are completely clueless about how things work around here, but didn't expect that from wallet that's been on bitcointalk since 2019.

Sock puppet accounts appeared somewhere around February 5th (page 30 on their thread) writing those classic one-liners and asking redundant questions. Their shillers are not only writing in their thread, but are promoting OWNR in others too, as seen in the examples below:

The Decent thread definitely had a lot of spam in it, however it wasn't really related to this thread in terms of bumping services. It was mostly low quality posts, for example "decent is great because it has this feature", or "This is interesting!" posts. So, while it wasn't bumping spam that we've come across in the other threads here, it still needed cleaning up a bit.

I do think there was quite a few alt accounts mixed in the thread, that did generate conversations, since they tended to either talk the same, talk about the same topic over, and over or they simply just kept a never ending conversation up, which basically had no substance behind it. So, I do have my suspicions on a few users.

Yeah, the answer would likely go down to at the discretion of the moderator. There's no hard rules about moderating older posts. Some moderators might see it as beneficial, some might see it as necessary, and others might think it effects the workflow on moderators on more recent issues, so therefore think it's unnecessary.

While, I can sort of understand the latter to an extent, I tend remove spam whenever possible. I basically never factor in the time it was posted, and when I was reporting regular I don't think I ran into this issue either unless it wasn't all that big of a problem, and I forgot about it. It could be another reason the reports were handled bad, like I suggested a few of them could have been seen as borderline, and its down to interpretation then. Although, for me I think a few of them should have definitely been removed.

For me, I wouldn't handle them any different. I'd either comb through them right then, and there or I would put it on my todo list, and comb through it later. I guess some moderators might prefer to be directed to the spam one by one. I guess this is down to the reporter, at worst as long as your report is accurate it should be left as unhandled, in the worst case scenario, however some moderator willing to delve deeper should pick up that unhandled report, and turn it into a good one, as I said as long as it's accurate. Actually, I think this is a decent example of when the unhandled status, is the best option. Since, the report might be accurate somewhat, however it's not specific enough for the moderator viewing it, so they leave it as a soft bad.

If you report the original thread, and it sits unhandled, I at the very least should be able to see it within the sections that I'm a moderator or if the thread owner is a newbie.

Oh, right. That spam was deleted before I started to clean the topic, probably this is why I did not see it.


Clusterfuck? Looooooooooool! That's a great word, describing perfectly the situation.


Oh, I see now... Yes, this is true.

But what I was saying in my previous post was if it would be a good move to start a topic in Meta and ask this question bluntly: what are the oldest posts that can be reported and not be automatically left unhandled or marked as bad? Is there a timeframe? Like -- all posts made until June 30th 2017 are accepted to be moderated. Or -- all posts until Dec 31st, 2017 are accepted to be moderated. Do not report older posts as they will be ignored or marked as bad.

Thus, having this information, all reporters would know how far they can go in the past. And there would be an official statement for that. As it is now, some mods would moderate reports for old posts and some won't -- remember the discussion from posts #273 and #274 of this thread.

From what I remember, only the last few pages of DECENT thread were basically 100% spam done by one of those bumping services. That is, at the moment I identified the same group of accounts working across six different threads.The rest was indeed the mix of shitposts, rants and the occasional constructive posts.


Yeah that's a common "issue", that while some mod might delete the post you reported, some might mark it as bad or even leave it unhandled. It happened to me more than once and it's not an issue if it's just about a single post, but it can become an issue like in your case when you are not sure anymore whether to continue reporting posts in that thread or not.


You basically described 99% of the altcoin board threads, it's a total clusterfuck there. That whole section needs either big revamp or just to be locked.


No, I referred to @Welsh suggestion about reporting only the first post and then mods clearing the rest of the thread. And I tried that in the past, I reported just the original post on the thread saying that it mainly consists of bumping spam as I hoped that might be enough for mods to take a look and just clear the thread without me reporting each post separately. Nothing happened of course, report remained unhandled.

Sup Rikafip! I totally agree


Yes, that's true, Decent topic did not use bumping threads, as I mentioned in my previous post. However, there were thousands of zero-value posts (otherwise I could not have 1200+ posts reported and deleted and Welsh more than 2000), most being useless "pyramidal quotes" or various fights between some users saying Decent is scam and others saying it's great. Some were also swearing. I reported all those posts, until those from June 2017 and they were deleted. So all had same pattern. This is why I think that, mostly, the mod which flagged those as bad was thinking differently than Welsh regarding spam or not constructive posts or he considered them as being too old for bothering to moderate them...

Furthermore, if you actually read the topic, not just those examples posted by me, you'll see those posts (given by me as examples but also most of the other ones as well) as being even less constructive. For example, to understand better what I am saying, look at all posts made by user holmes70. This guy is delusional and I believe he lost a ton of money with Decent. If you read the remaining of his posts, you'll see that all of them are made in Decent thread and you will notice also how often he changes his mind, calling Decent great a few times, calling it scam other times and so on. And insulting also the other users of the respective thread. I reported about 100+ posts of this user and they were deleted and Welsh deleted also 200+ posts made by holmes70. I saw a post inside the topic saying he had more than 700 posts and all made there. And, a post made by holmes70 himself is proving me that, indeed, he is delusional because he lost a lot of money:

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Do you mean you tried to start a discussion about clearing things out regarding what posts can be reported (and have a chance to be deleted) based on the year when they were made? Sorry, I did not understand exactly what you meant here.

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Sup holydarkness,


As both Rikafip and Welsh said, leaving a proper comment when making a report is very important. Otherwise it would look like a guessing game between you and the mod. And, excepting posts which are crystal clear for everybody that they have zero-value (but even those need a proper comment), you may want to report other posts as well, some for very complex reasons, such as plagiarism. In all these cases you should indicate why you make the respective report. Some posts may actually be constructive, but off-topic. If you'd report such posts, mods would not know your reason.

And, exactly as Rikafip suggested, you can see most of your previous comments only by clicking on the comment field when making a report. In this manner you do not actually have to stay and write manually, each time, your comment. Just left-click once with the mouse on the comment field, then select (also with the mouse) the appropriate comment, from the list of your previous comments.

Besides, reading post #187 of this thread may give you some useful suggestions

I can only speak for myself. If I cant act on a report, I usually leave it in the queue. For example, if it's for plagiarism, but involves a higher ranked account that I can't nuke, but it was reported within a section I moderate, I usually leave them in anticipation that a staff with the appropriate permissions looks into it further. While, this example is a little different to what we have here, I would expect that a similar process might happen.

I can't for definite tell you the best way, personally I think indvidual reports can be good at times, especially when a thread isn't covered from top to bottom in spam, however when most of the thread is spam, or it's overwhelmingly congested with spam, I think reporting the original thread could be best, indicating that there's several posts that need to be removed or maybe not the original thread itself, but a spam comment in that thread. Users do this for bumps, instead of reporting every bump individually, they report the most recent one that needs to be removed, and indicate that several others have been made. I think a workflow similar to that might be beneficial, otherwise the moderator reviewing the report might think your expecting action to be taken on the original thread itself, which wouldn't be the case.  

Personally, for me I don't see too many problems with the suggestion, although I'd willing to listen to anyone who has any ideas on the best workflow. I think the amount of reports we've recieved the last few months is rather unprecedented, and isn't something that usually happens, and since this thread has mostly been exhausted, I don't think we'll be seeing it too often in the future either. So, the issues really only start to seep in when we have exceptional cases like this, otherwise reporting as you normally would is probably fine.

Not sure if that makes sense to you guys at all. However, I think when there's a thread covered in spam, and I mean top to bottom, and it would result in hundreds of reports, I think potentially reporting just a few, and indicating there's more could be the best idea to prevent spamming other moderators report queues, that might want to be dealing with more urgent matters.

This is kind of the reason I'd like to see the report page with the ability to filter, so that things like this would not affect those that don't want to see it. Also, would be useful for local sections.

Most users include some sort of comment, however if you report is pretty much self explanatory, or is pretty obvious to identify then you probably don't need to go into much complexity. Most users use a copy, and paste approach, and just use the same comments.

However, for more complex cases then adding a bit of an explanation will increase the chances of the report being handled correctly.
If users are interested in having buttons which correspond with every guideline on the unofficial guidelines with mprep, then let me know as I've whipped something very rough up. However, it's rather messy, and probably more likely to give you annoyance, and information overload than be useful.

Well of course that some description helps, I don't remember ever leaving the comment blank (at least not intentionally) instead letting moderator to figure out what's wrong with the reported post. Thing that helps us with that is that forum "remembers" the comments that we use so it's not like you have to enter the description from scratch, at least not when you are mass reporting thread bumping posts as when you click on the comment space, you get descriptions you used offered.

What you might consider using is suchmoon's [HACK] One-click mod report, not for the faint of heart that makes reporting faster, even though many of the active spambusters are still doing it standard way.

Well... first thing first: sup fellas, LOL.


Been wondering, how important is the comments made on each report and/or how big is it on helping to make your work easier? Is a blank comment as useful as the one with some description?

Sup fellas (this should really be the mandatory thing to write here lol)


Looking at the posts, I can understand why some of those reports are marked bad. Don't get me wrong, they are mostly not very constructive posts and I have nothing against posts like that getting deleted, but they don't look like a regular bumping spam either but just a bunch of people arguing and complaining. From my experience, posts like that often end up as unhandled

To be honest, I prefer mods handling cases like this, rather than leaving reports like that as unhandled which is extremely annoying, at least for me. I mean, if its bad then its bad, as unhandled post that is older than 2 weeks is euphemism for "soft bad" but I guess mods sometime don't wanna ruin people's reporting percentage which could cause people being reluctant to report posts. At least that's how I see leaving posts unhandled indefinitely.


While that sounds good on paper, would it actually work? I mean, do moderators work like that or this is just your suggestion how this could be sorted in the future? Iirc, I tried something like that year or two ago, with no success so I just gave up on that approach.

Sup fellas


I was sure about that But thanks for confirming me.


With all due respect, Welsh and, you probably sensed by now that I respect you a lot for your intense work you do on the forum, what you said above is just politically correct, but you know that, in practice, nobody (probably excepting you) takes care of a full thread if only one post is reported (no matter if that post contains a comment similar to "please take a look at the entire topic"). Many of us saw that this kind of action leads to no results -- take Rikafip for example, but not just him. However, in this case, your suggestion was taken and, as a consequence, this very thread was created. The result was the following: all the spam remained intact until I intervened and reported all the zero-value posts, from each topic mentioned inside Rikafip's topic.

Excepting this example there are many others from the past; sometimes other users opened threads in Meta related to this problem; and all said that whenever they reported a single post with a comment to be taken care of the entire thread, that post was flagged as good, but the remaining topic was left intact. This discussion also touched, in those topics, the subject of reporting only one post of a reporter which has all his posts being spam, and report only one post of such user with a comment similar to "please review entire user's posting activity".

It simply does not work. I know that your approach is best though (logically thinking); it would be great if it would have the impact you say; but, sadly, probably excepting you, none (or very few) of your mod colleagues share the same vision. If they see a report for a post and that post is spam, they delete it and do not look at an entire thread, although the comment associated with that report indicates that the entire thread to be reviewed...

However, I will cease here from making further reports from Decent thread, although I had prepared already a few more hundred reports. I will look for other topics which need to be cleaned.


I totally understand what you mean about prioritizing chores in this case. It's normal to focus first on topics where spam is active. But this does not mean to (as we say in Romania) hide the trash under the carpet. Meaning to flag as bad some reports only because they are made on older topics. Such post should never be considered as bad. In this case, I think that logical approach would be to leave unhandled for a while the reports made for older topics; take care first of the ones where spam is active; then return to what was previously left as unhandled.

Another option would be to have a clear statement (probably in Meta) saying something similar to the following: "reports made for posts older than XXX date will automatically be considered bad, no matter they are made for posts which really deserve to be reported". In this manner, all reporters would have a clear guideline and they would know what to report and what not.

But flagging some reports as bad although they are supposed to be good, only because some mod is too busy to take care of them may be felt as a deception by the ones which are active reporters and this should raise an alarm, as these people are too few anyway.

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After the long wall of text from above, let me share with you some of the most weird / funny posts I ever seen, both being from Decent topic.

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I updated also the list with the topics where spam is still active. I also deleted a few topics, where last activity was in January-February.

{ANN} Income Finance 20% Reflection rewards paid in BUSD! - spam active
[ANN] My Crypto City (MYCTY) Mobile game using Solana infrastructure spam active

🚀 [ANN] Stabila Public Chain (STB) | Decentralize the financial system. 🚀 - spam active topic active
🚀 WINZ.IO 🚀 $150,000 WINTER BONANZA QUEST ❄️ UP TO 300 FREE SPINS BONUS 🎁 - OP active topic active
✅ Paradice.in | 🍀 Provably Fair 🎲 | Rain☔| 30 sec Faucet | 1% House Edge 💰| - OP active topic active
[MASS] Decentralized HARD DRIVE mining cryptocurrency | PoC | Low Energy cost - topic barely active
TimeCoinProtocol - decentralized sharing economy protocol - OP active
[ANN] Work Quest - Global End to End Jobs Marketplace Powered on Smart Contract - spam active OP active
[ANN] EDC Blockchain - global platform with its own cryptocurrency - OP active a few times per week
[ANN] Gentlemen's Baby Club [GBC] NFT CLUB #ETH #blockchain - topic OP barely active last spam was on Feb 9th
[ANN] V SYSTEMS - Blockchain Database and App Platform by Sunny King [SPoS/Mint] - OP active rarely
[CRP]Self-funded and Released Utopia P2P ecosystem and Crypton privacy coin - OP active once per month
[ANN] Minereum - 🔥 🚀 Minereum World Metaverse Land Pre-Sale LIVE! 🚀 - topic inactive since Jan 23rd + project cancelled

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And this is the status for the "sup fellas group". It seems that half of them got tired of spamming.

[ANN]✨✨✨ Nexum (NEXM) ✨✨✨ Unbanking Shipping - spam active
[ANN]✨✨✨ Predict Vision ✨✨✨ Decentralized A.I - spam active
[ANN]✨✨✨ CLIME Finance✨✨✨ The Climate Ecosystem - spam active
[ANN]✨✨✨ Z1 FINANCIAL ✨✨✨ Investment Opportunity for Real Estate Investors - OP / topic inactive since March 10th
[ANN]✨✨✨ YachtX Coin ✨✨✨ The high-end exclusive yacht life currency - OP / topic inactive since March 8th
[ANN]✨✨✨ $GOGE ✨✨✨ DogeGaySon - OP / topic inactive since March 1st