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rjk
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1ngldh
This is sweet, I see that you are considering using existing rights-of-way along the highway medians. I think this is the perfect way to do a new high speed rail system, anywhere.
legendary
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For anyone who is curious, I uploaded the old business plan (for the multi-billion dollar project), and my old Executive Summary that I wrote for my Entrepreneurship class, to the website here: http://www.tozonimaglev.com/files
The files are GAZA-6-BUSINESS PLAN- WITH CHANGES BY DMITRY.docx and Executive Summary (OLD).docx
The first file is a rather long and detailed read. The second I will have to change some and add a business plan to before I can submit it for consideration for grants/loans.
legendary
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Playing the investor without reading other posts: might be redundant
I’m not convinced that this will make me money. Why should I invest my money in fancy trains(on stilts?)for cargo? will the advantage gained be really worth the billions it will cost to set this up? Why will you succeed where many others have failed? Why should I believe your numbers? magnets->rare earths;how will this affect the world market/price ?

Thanks for letting me practice my pitch:
Using this tech you can change shipping from the current accepted practice - having to load as large of containers and trains as possible - to JIT small fast trains that only go when you need to send a package or two. You don't need to wait for everything to be loaded, and don't need to wait for the driver to be ready. As soon as your train with the small cargo rolls over the section with the linear motor embedded in the track, it will get whisked away to its destination automatically. Amazon is pushing heavily for same-day delivery, currently relying on opening up more and more storage centers around the country. Using this system they can have one main hub handling a huge area, with these automated lines extending to much smaller hubs further out. I believe this system, although a bit more expensive to build than wheel on steel, is a heck of a lot more efficient than anything else out there, and operating costs for power will be much smaller as well (on top of the savings from almost no moving parts, no friction wear, and no driver). Should gas prices increase, trucking and diesel trains will become even more expensive, as will airplane flights, and this may end up being the only viable fast transport system. This system can also be used by NASA or the military to launch small satellites into space using electrical assistance (think giant rail gun). I heard that 20% of a rocket's fuel is used up just to get it moving on takeoff. This can accelerate a rocket to tremendous speeds before it has to fire off it's own propellant.
I believe the other MAGLEVs have failed because their technology is woefully inadequate. It's both too complex with all the redundant computer control systems, and way more expensive (and dangerous). The extremely high cost (~$45m/mile) of the Transrapid electromagnetic MAGLEV system was the main reason MAGLEV projects never took off anywhere; governments are excited about planning to build a MAGLEV until they see the price tag, and once they do, the projects/ideas get delayed indefinitely. My system costs about 1/4th that of Transrapid.
I have very detailed spreadsheets that calculate the costs of all the materials, even including volumes of raw materials required based on SolidWorks CAD designs. I can share the spreadsheet and you can check my assumptions. As for rare earth magnets, they are only required on the train cars, not the rails, and a large cargo carrier (30 ton capacity) I think uses about $120k worth of them. Building this system will increase demand, and thus price, but probably not substantially. Plus with newer and more powerful magnets coming out, smaller magnets can be used.

after reading other user posts:
“following issues will be eliminated: most maintenance costs.” sceptical about that claim. you will have to pay for everything since it’s private property. after some years you would be in a constant replacement cycle repairing tracks and everything else. whats the expected lifetime of tracks? 30 years?
Hmm, good point. No idea what the expected lifetime is. There's no friction, but no doubt a bit of flex as the trains pass over. I think the cement will get worn out first though. The rails are actually not that expensive, and can be taken out and replaced, since they are just bolted in in long sections. There will also be a slow moving maintenance vehicle that will go over the rails to test them for any issues every once in a while. Testing for what kind of stresses will be experienced is part of what the initial model will be used for.


I would like to read the actual business case when you have it since I like the idea of maglev and it’s difficult to work with just a few sentences.
most important! will I get some free company shares for my awesome input when this takes off?   Smiley

I'll have the old business plan up (Gaza Land bridge) some time this week. As for the newer one, I have to write it up and submit it by October 15th. Hopefully I'll have it way before then.
legendary
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I got an idea, Rassah. Name the investment arm of this endeavor LevPirate, stating at the onset that investors are by invite only. That should attract some capital.

~Cackling Bear~
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Playing the investor without reading other posts: might be redundant
I’m not convinced that this will make me money. Why should I invest my money in fancy trains(on stilts?)for cargo? will the advantage gained be really worth the billions it will cost to set this up? Why will you succeed where many others have failed? Why should I believe your numbers? magnets->rare earths;how will this affect the world market/price ?
after reading other user posts:
“following issues will be eliminated: most maintenance costs.” sceptical about that claim. you will have to pay for everything since it’s private property. after some years you would be in a constant replacement cycle repairing tracks and everything else. whats the expected lifetime of tracks? 30 years?

I would like to read the actual business case when you have it since I like the idea of maglev and it’s difficult to work with just a few sentences.
most important! will I get some free company shares for my awesome input when this takes off?   Smiley
legendary
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Set up a business account at 1TZMG7L8iN7SgtTC2ZVguxzdxkLKCwuqy  (TZMG = TozoniMaglev). Contributed capital: 61.807520BTC. So far spent $150 on a company logo design ($75 now, $75 in accounts payable). Current company profit: -$150USD. Good start!  Grin
legendary
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I guess these questions are regarding my tech?

Is there a loss over distance, electrically?
Are the rails levitation susceptible to interference induced currents generated by something like solar magnetic storms, static electrical fields, an EMP, or microwave radiation?
Is it possible to discharge a rail intentionally or unintentionally?

1) No more than over regular wires. If the lines running parallel to the track are high voltage, feeding the track itself through transformers every few kilometers, it should be ok (no different than electric trains)
2 & 3) There is no current in the rail other than what little is generated at the instant the train passes over it, and the levitation itself is done by magnetism - permanent magnet attracted to steel - not by electricity. I guess maybe a very powerful EMP can disrupt the levitation, and that may be enough for the train to shift and scrape/crash on the rails. I don't know how powerful it would have to be. Nice idea for something to test in the lab Cheesy (and gives us an excuse to build one legally)

Another point, the entire line would be limited in acceleration time, 0-350mph, by the most acceleration sensitive items. A tomatoe may only handle an accelration of 0-350mph in 15 seconds while a refrigerator could withstand accelration from 0-350mph in 7 seconds. Therefore, the entire lines shipping time doubles by adding tomatoes to the shipping line.

I suspect a bigger factor will be keeping the motor from overheating, or the motor wiring from getting bent or ripped out from too much exertion from high acceleration. Also, hopefully, most of the rail line will be travel at constant high speed rather than fast starts and stops. Honestly, though, I haven't considered high G acceleration for anything other than a gas gun for space launches (uses exploding gas behind the train rather than electric motor)

If you had multiple load and unload points in between start of line and end of line, how would you handle shifting cars, or cargo, on and off of tracks?

Platforms will be difficult to remove due to their attraction to the rails. I was thinking the platforms would just be flat cars, and cargo will be removable boxes that lock on top of them. Cars can also be shifted between tracks, though at low speed.

How would you handle track length, if your not shifting cars off?
The track would have to be 3x the distance of the actual start and end transportation points.
A loop would be more efficient I guess, but would that work with the electrical systerm in the rails?

A loop, or a low speed shift  where a train comes in front-forward, then shifts and leaves back-forward can work (trains are symmetrical, so can travel forward and backward). Trans that simply slow down while overhead traveling cranes that take off or deposit cargo can work too.

How about Canada's logging, mining industry? Or even there great expanse of wild from east to west?

Good idea about Canada. I'm looking for a place with a lot of really cheap unused land, since that is the most expensive part of building this. Though logs and mined ore aren't perishable, so moving that slowly and cheaply is still best. Perishables like food, or people, moved across the country would work better. Thanks for the Canada idea.
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:shakesfist: Phinnaeus, you used my idea which I got from somewhere else. Cheesy
It is amazing tech, so can't really blame you.

In the Bloom Box videos, the CBS version, there is a BTVC who got the $400Million for Bloom Box, 4x the initial projection. You could argue it was over funded.

Is there a loss over distance, electrically?
Are the rails levitation susceptible to interference induced currents generated by something like solar magnetic storms, static electrical fields, an EMP, or microwave radiation?
Is it possible to discharge a rail intentionally or unintentionally?

Another point, the entire line would be limited in acceleration time, 0-350mph, by the most acceleration sensitive items. A tomatoe may only handle an accelration of 0-350mph in 15 seconds while a refrigerator could withstand accelration from 0-350mph in 7 seconds. Therefore, the entire lines shipping time doubles by adding tomatoes to the shipping line.

If you had multiple load and unload points in between start of line and end of line, how would you handle shifting cars, or cargo, on and off of tracks?

How would you handle track length, if your not shifting cars off?
The track would have to be 3x the distance of the actual start and end transportation points.
A loop would be more efficient I guess, but would that work with the electrical systerm in the rails?

How about Canada's logging, mining industry? Or even there great expanse of wild from east to west?
rjk
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1ngldh
Awesome, I love the concept and I'm always interested in how it proceeds.
legendary
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(bump?  Embarrassed)

Registered TozoniMAGLEV, L.L.C., so tax time should be way more interesting this year. Building a web page at http://www.tozonimaglev.com (still missing a lot). Got a business partner who is very eager to work with me. Deadline for submitting applications for funding is October 15th, so will have an Executive Summary and business plan before then. In the mean time, continuing to build out the site, and am setting up accounting stuff for the new Corp (giving GnuCash a try). Will hold company assets in Bitcoin, partly because it's easier than opening a business account at a bank, and partly because Bitcoin. Nice to have a partner to work with for a change.

Signing off.
legendary
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Bump because I see Rassah is online and I would be interested in an update.

I didn't get anything out of that Clean Energy Challenge thing, but was pointed to a few programs within University of Maryland that I should interview with and apply for. I met with the representatives of those programs around mid May. They suggested I apply for one of their tech development grants in the fall, but to do that I need to incorporate, since grants are not given out to individual people directly. Working on incorporating now (by which I mean I have been sitting on my butt for the last few weeks, enjoying the free time since I graduated, and just now thinking "Oh crap! Summer's half way over!"). Since it's summer vacation, the university hasn't been any help with that process, so having to figure that out on my own.
Also, Dr. Tozoni, the inventor (and my grandfather), passed away on June 1st, so that kinda sucked Sad
On the plus side, one of his students, who since coming to this country has refused to help and maybe saw Dr. Oleg as competition, attended the funeral and the commemorative dinner last night, and we actually became acquaintances. My parents seem to have gotten very friendly with him and his wife, too, in part because he used to be Tozoni's long time friend, and spent many years with him back in USSR (my mother has interest in someone who knew her father so well). The huge benefit of that is that he was Dr. Tozoni's student, understands all the tech behind the invention, recognizes just how big Dr. Tozoni was, AND he's a high ranking professor at University of Maryland, with a lot of recognition and awards. Before, I avoided mentioning him completely during my discussions with university out of fear that he would sabotage my progress. Now, maybe I will be able to use him as a reference, and a word from him would be a HUGE benefit. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

So, in summary, need to incorporate, then apply for funding, and in the mean time maybe polish the website a bit.
rjk
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1ngldh
Bump because I see Rassah is online and I would be interested in an update.
rjk
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1ngldh
Very nice site, hope you are able to get somewhere with this as it appears to be an excellent design/idea.
legendary
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Just an update on what's going on.
I met with my University's "Entrepreneurship Center" on March 9th (http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/dingman/). Got some good feedback there. They also asked why not people, since cargo doesn't need to be fast. Good point about cargo usually not requiring fast transport, but sadly people here just don't really use trains. Other suggestion is to focus on perishables (apparently McDonalds has distribution networks, too, for example), or on Just-In-Time manufacturing places.
The three areas of development to possibly focus on are as a:

Feature - sell it as a distribution component for an already established distribution system around a campus, such as the Detroit car parts and assembly campus
Product - sell it directly to Wal-Mart as a replacement for their current trucking system
Platform - develop it as an independently owned transportation network, and let whoever needs to transport things use it. Other businesses can develop then their business around this platform.

Next steps are to assemble a team, and pitch to things like Wal-Mart Business Challenge, MIPS, and one I am currently pursuing, ACC Clean Energy Challenge (http://www.accnrg.org)
I'm in the process of looking for team members (found at least one) and using a very nice resource called CoFoundersLab (http://goo.gl/dLKab) to look for people. Submission deadline for ACC is the 23rd, so I'm kinda scrambling.
A website (very basic) for the tech is set up at http://www.amlevtrans.com/, and final draft of Executive Summary is here http://sg.sg/GDIDKT. I really need to update that site though (never have the time), and probably upload the "manual" for the tech, which we had to keep off the site until our patent was approved.

I also need to come up with a different name. My grandparents called it Amlev (American Type of Maglev), but this system really shouldn't be limited to America, and despite by grandparents' patriotism, I really think the name should reflect the inventor, Tozoni, rather than the country he liked. So, I'm thinking Tozoni MAGLEV, or something simple/similar would be good.
legendary
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A mile of freeway through an urban area costs approximately $39 million, while a mile of freeway through a rural area costs approximately $8 million.
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-14011-28076--F,00.html

Ooh, thanks for this! Definitely useful info for me!
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At the very least there should be a "drunk lane", lined with tires so it's like bumper bowling. Student drivers could use it as well.

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Drunk driving creates a total loss of $9 billion per year or 16 cents per mile driven in the U.S.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7888

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A mile of freeway through an urban area costs approximately $39 million, while a mile of freeway through a rural area costs approximately $8 million.
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-14011-28076--F,00.html

Not financially viable though.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Personally, I think that divided highways should not be split by direction, but by the type of traffic it carries. Professionally driven truck trains on one side and the drunks driving SUVs on the other. just sayin.
legendary
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In case anyone is interested in following the development (or total catastroflunk) of this project, I'll keep posting updates here.

Executive Summary is fleshed out. I wasn't able to meet with VCs this past Friday due to not being able to take off from work, so will try again next Friday. I fully expect costs ("especially in this economy") will be the main barrier to fight against to get this started. Hopefully I can get the university interested enough without giving up too many patent rights. The sad thing is, the actual inventor of this system is in pretty severe stages of Alzheimer and cancer, and will probably not survive the rest of this year, so one of my main goals also involves getting someone else involved in this well enough that they can understand and continue to develop this system. Although the basic construction and design are simple, the math involved is very complex and specialized, and it would be a tragedy if this system disappears from our collective knowledge for decades until someone rebuilds it from (admittedly badly) written instructions.
In the meantime, here's the finished Executive Summary:

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The Pitch.
The internet is a great way to deliver digital goods, bouncing data along wires from hub to hub. Wouldn’t it be great if we had a similar system for physical goods? Turns out we already have the hubs – Wal-Mart’s distribution centers are an automated technological wonder – but the “wires” connecting these centers are slow, inefficient roads manned by cumbersome, expensive trucks. Our ultra-high-speed transport system will connect the already established distribution centers, with direct, fully automated, efficient, and cheap to operate lines.

Product.
Currently, to transport goods to distribution centers, trucks have to drive from one to the other by roads and highways. This method is slow, and susceptible to traffic issues, driver fatigue, and high costs of maintenance, fuel, and taxes. We (Tozoni AMLEV) propose to design and build customized high-speed transport lines between distribution centers. The system will consist of small, fully-automated cargo platforms, only big enough to carry a large refrigerator or a 3,000lb aircraft shipping container. The platforms will be gliding on the track using magnetic levitation technology, flying at 350 miles per hour, completely automatically. Once reaching their destination distribution centers, the cargo will be automatically offloaded and routed through the distribution center’s internal conveyor system to its next destination. Once multiple distribution centers are connected, the cargo will be able to bounce from center to center, being transported over vast distances cheaply, very quickly and completely automatically.

Value Proposition.
Tozoni AMLEV system is cheap to design due to using analytical calculations for all of its components (all aspects can be fully simulated on computers instead of on physical models). The system is also light and cheap to build, due to it being fully automated by design, as opposed to relying on complex control systems. Since the cargo platforms do not touch the track, and very few moving components are involved, there is very little maintenance required for the system. The system is also very energy efficient, using only electricity for propulsion, without friction, of small light platforms. Since the platforms can reach speeds of 350mph and beyond, it makes it possible to quickly ship only products that are needed, instead of waiting for a large truck to load up on everything that may be necessary in the direction it is going. Using smaller cargo platforms also means it is possible to use much lighter and cheaper track construction, including possibility of stacking tracks to reduce the land footprint.

Competitive Advantage.
Tozoni AMLEV system, including both suspension and propulsion components, is fully patented. Dr. Tozoni has many years of experience in mechanical and electrical engineering, was the Head of the Department of Electrodynamics at the Cybernetics Institute of the Academy of Science, USSR, and has published many books on mathematics and electromagnetics. The Tozoni AMLEV levitation system differs from all other levitation systems in that it is based on attractive force of permanent magnets, that all aspects of it can be fully analytically calculated and designed, as opposed to relying on trial and error, and is suspended automatically, without need for monitoring and control systems. The system is also fairly well known, and has a team of scientists and engineers very interested in being involved with or helping with its construction.

The Marketing Plan.
The Immediate goal is to build a single transport line between two distribution centers separated by desert or farm land (to keep the costs of land down). (Example: Wal-Mart distribution Center in Chyenne, Wyoming to one in North Platte, Nebraska, 200 miles down center of highway). Our target segment is any market interested in transporting small to medium physical goods. Initially, the system will target retail distribution centers, allowing the first two connected centers to operate as one. This means cargo trucks will only be required to deliver their goods to the distribution center closest to their point of origin, instead of having to go to both centers. Eventually, once we connect more distribution centers, the interconnected automated network should be able to support delivery of all of the retail goods among the centers, and the center operator should be able to take on outside business, such as mail and parcel delivery, or any delivery of physical goods.

We believe that despite the high initial cost of construction, the finished product, with its very high speed and extremely low operating cost, will be able to easily compete with existing delivery methods, and make up the cost of construction through high profit margins.

The Financial Plan.
Tozoni AMLEV will need approximately $400,000 to build the initial proof-of-concept test model within 6 months of initial funding. The system design and parameters have already been analytically calculated, and the initial funding will go to consulting services for Dr. Friedman of Drexel University (he is a student, of a student, of Dr. Tozoni), and for engineering and manufacturing of the test model by Oceaneering Inc., a local MD engineering firm familiar with the project. Once the physical test model verifies the analytical calculation results, a further $500,000 will be required to design and engineer the platforms themselves. During that period, we will scout locations of potential distribution centers 100+ miles apart, secure required land, and negotiate deals with the distribution center operators. In the first half of 2013 we will build a 2 mile test track, preferably on the location where the final track will be used. The system costs approximately $4MM per mile of track, and approximately $90,000 per platform, although we think we may be able to reduce costs by using cheaper support materials (estimates are based on a 30ton cargo container system requiring heavy concrete support). During that time, funding will also be needed for final design tests, which should be completed by the end of 2013 or earlier. Construction of the finished line should be completed by mid-to-end of 2015. At initial launch of the system, the system is expected to be used at near capacity, working as both a bridge between two distribution centers, and a bridge between two parts of the country (trucks can save money by dropping goods off at one center, and have them be picked up by another truck at the next center, even if the final destination for the goods isn’t one of the two centers). After proof of concept and a strong positive revenue stream, a portion of the revenues will be used to secure and develop lines between other distribution centers.

Dingman resources will be used, along with Maryland Technology Commercialization funding, to set up a lab at the University of Maryland, where students will participate in further developing the system, including building the initial test model. Part of the funding for the main project will be raised from the government’s technology research and green initiative programs, and the rest through private funding. We also expect to get local government tax subsidies for providing a system that will ease traffic on their roads.
legendary
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I think stamping and shipping things like plastic forks, spoons, and knives would actually still be cheaper than printing them at home. There is a lot of savings in customized specific production hardware over the universal generic one. Manor will eventually change that, but that won't happen for at least another 20 years.

Update on my project: I was going to meet with a VC group this Friday, but due to my state's budget going through legislation this week I can't take this Friday off, and need to stay in the office "on call." I am going to try to meet with them over Skype, but whoever is handling email at that department is very unresponsive. If that fails, I'll try again next week.
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I'm quite aware of 3D printing, and have followed it since it started with modified ink jet printers years ago. How long do you think it will be until we can print something like an iPad at home from scratch?

Before modified ink-jets they used a laser, to initiate polymerization in a bath of polymer, at the surface.
With the $$ that apple makes in ipads wouldn't expect that to happen soon.  But I have no idea.

With MEMS and other tech. like that it's conceivable that it goes past the printing paradigm and goes to a programmed additive engineering. Probably already a clever name for it. Similar to how a gene codes for an elbow tendon. Only all done via nano-bots. nanotech seems to have bored most people but it is likely the most disruptive tech. right now. It allows control of synthesis in amazing ways. Going a little astray.

Shipping things all over is very wasteful.  But apparently tptb like shipping.  I always thought that shipping music,movies in cds, dvds etc. was so odd.
Why didn't they just have a cd/dvd burner in a shop and burn a copy on an as-needed model. Now they wanted to retain control of the IP so shipping was their answer I guess. But they could have saved billions by having a cd/dvd burning kiosk that was physically secured.

My long winded point is that the politics of any large project is so complex now that tech. can leap over the initial idea.
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