Topic: BUSTABIT.COM fraud and illegal hold of funds. (Read 201 times)
@Devans I’m waiting for the proof that I am those people and I did in fact begged to be muted so please show the proof that you don’t have. If you can’t , stop holding my funds and release. As much as I don’t want to take this to the next level I will. Also an apology for accusing me of having hundreds of accounts and apology to the community.
those are not me wtf this is why you got the wrong person. All. My acc is justabadhairday, justabadhairdayy, caplocks , swifter , tutorials. Those above is not my account. Wrong person sir ! I can show proof of more accounts I had and you know damn well those are not my account. Next time check from my IP even the account everlasting9699 you muted as well. The rest of those is not my account but so stop with the bs
I'm confident that they are your accounts, but I'm not surprised that you have more. On a side note, all of the accounts you listed are muted and JustABadHairDay alone was muted seven times for asking for money.
In any case, as I said we are way past debating whether you deserved to be muted in the first place or not. Whether you think it's justified or not, I permanently banned you from bustabit's chat on September 7, 2021 and told you I would lock your account if you ignored your ban. You ignored your ban, so your account was locked. You can refer to my initial response for details, but those are the key facts.
those are not me wtf this is why you got the wrong person. All. My acc is justabadhairday, justabadhairdayy, caplocks , swifter , tutorials. Those above is not my account. Wrong person sir ! I can show proof of more accounts I had and you know damn well those are not my account. Next time check from my IP even the account everlasting9699 you muted as well. The rest of those is not my account but so stop with the bs
I'm confident that they are your accounts, but I'm not surprised that you have more. On a side note, all of the accounts you listed are muted and JustABadHairDay alone was muted seven times for asking for money.
In any case, as I said we are way past debating whether you deserved to be muted in the first place or not. Whether you think it's justified or not, I permanently banned you from bustabit's chat on September 7, 2021 and told you I would lock your account if you ignored your ban. You ignored your ban, so your account was locked. You can refer to my initial response for details, but those are the key facts.
https://prnt.sc/MnkISLDEUwbF I have all the proof in the world showing all the unfairness I’ve dealt it. I can back up EVEYTHING IM SAYING. Whether if I own the account I can back it up. And the ones you showed isn’t me. Allow me to withdraw my money !!!!AND FOR PEOPLE THAT SEE “begging” I didn’t beg anyone. He thinks I’m someone else and say I’m muted for begging when in fact I didn’t beg anyone. REFUND ME !!
those are not me wtf this is why you got the wrong person. All. My acc is justabadhairday, justabadhairdayy, caplocks , swifter , tutorials. Those above is not my account. Wrong person sir ! I can show proof of more accounts I had and you know damn well those are not my account. Next time check from my IP even the account everlasting9699 you muted as well. The rest of those is not my account but so stop with the bs
I'm confident that they are your accounts, but I'm not surprised that you have more. On a side note, all of the accounts you listed are muted and JustABadHairDay alone was muted seven times for asking for money.
In any case, as I said we are way past debating whether you deserved to be muted in the first place or not. Whether you think it's justified or not, I permanently banned you from bustabit's chat on September 7, 2021 and told you I would lock your account if you ignored your ban. You ignored your ban, so your account was locked. You can refer to my initial response for details, but those are the key facts.
those are not me wtf this is why you got the wrong person. All. My acc is justabadhairday, justabadhairdayy, caplocks , swifter , tutorials. Those above is not my account. Wrong person sir ! I can show proof of more accounts I had and you know damn well those are not my account. Next time check from my IP even the account everlasting9699 you muted as well. The rest of those is not my account but so stop with the bs
I'm confident that they are your accounts, but I'm not surprised that you have more. On a side note, all of the accounts you listed are muted and JustABadHairDay alone was muted seven times for asking for money.
In any case, as I said we are way past debating whether you deserved to be muted in the first place or not. Whether you think it's justified or not, I permanently banned you from bustabit's chat on September 7, 2021 and told you I would lock your account if you ignored your ban. You ignored your ban, so your account was locked. Those are the key facts.
those are not me wtf this is why you got the wrong person. All. My acc is justabadhairday, justabadhairdayy, caplocks , swifter , tutorials. Those above is not my account. Wrong person sir ! I can show proof of more accounts I had and you know damn well those are not my account. Next time check from my IP even the account everlasting9699 you muted as well. The rest of those is not my account but so stop with the bs
I'm confident that they are your accounts, but I'm not surprised that you have more. On a side note, all of the accounts you listed are muted and JustABadHairDay alone was muted seven times for asking for money.
In any case, as I said we are way past debating whether you deserved to be muted in the first place or not. Whether you think it's justified or not, I permanently banned you from bustabit's chat on September 7, 2021 and told you I would lock your account if you ignored your ban. You ignored your ban, so your account was locked. You can refer to my initial response for details, but those are the key facts.
I'll address your complaints in order of significance.
On September 7, 2021 I gave you notice via email that you were permanently banned from chatting on bustabit and bustadice and that I would permanently lock your accounts and funds if you disregarded your ban:
If you've lost your password you can reset it without delay by requesting a password reset email. If you neither know your account's password nor have access to its recovery email address then bustabit cannot authenticate you as its owner. If I give someone access to an account regardless I do so at my own risk, so the waiting period is standard in these cases, as anybody who has ever needed my help to regain access to their account can attest. It is also standard when you lose your 2FA device, for example.
As you are permanently banned from chatting on bustabit we are way past the point of debating whether you deserve to be muted, but I'll address it anyway. Neither I nor chat moderators are infallible. Sometimes we get it wrong. So if someone is muted once or twice it might just be a misunderstanding like you claim.
But you breaking the chat rules is not a one-off accident and you were certainly never muted "just for raining". It's a pattern going back years. bustabit's chat is better off without you in it and banning you from it was absolutely justified. Here is a list of mutes I was able to find for your accounts after a cursory search. It's not exhaustive and I'm sure I've missed a lot of accounts, but it's enough to make my point:
Now this is where it gets interesting. He froze my funds without any warning / emails stating I can’t depo in said account. Nothing in his toss says he can freeze deposited funds. Even after x amount of mutes. And then forcibly asked me to agree to if I use chat “shiba bot” which allows to check balances he’ll lock my account and freeze my funds (not In his policy’s to do so )
Proof here - https://prnt.sc/HXgwI_JeQGQm
Proof here - https://prnt.sc/HXgwI_JeQGQm
On September 7, 2021 I gave you notice via email that you were permanently banned from chatting on bustabit and bustadice and that I would permanently lock your accounts and funds if you disregarded your ban:
Now ever since then I’ve dealt with being muted just for raining and every time it’ll say muted for begging. Now another occasion he knew it was me and I forgot my password and I was forced to lose because he wouldn’t help me fix talking about “security of users “ but he knew it was me just being spiteful. Proof here - https://prnt.sc/JVJ4qZiU5SEI
If you've lost your password you can reset it without delay by requesting a password reset email. If you neither know your account's password nor have access to its recovery email address then bustabit cannot authenticate you as its owner. If I give someone access to an account regardless I do so at my own risk, so the waiting period is standard in these cases, as anybody who has ever needed my help to regain access to their account can attest. It is also standard when you lose your 2FA device, for example.
As you are permanently banned from chatting on bustabit we are way past the point of debating whether you deserve to be muted, but I'll address it anyway. Neither I nor chat moderators are infallible. Sometimes we get it wrong. So if someone is muted once or twice it might just be a misunderstanding like you claim.
But you breaking the chat rules is not a one-off accident and you were certainly never muted "just for raining". It's a pattern going back years. bustabit's chat is better off without you in it and banning you from it was absolutely justified. Here is a list of mutes I was able to find for your accounts after a cursory search. It's not exhaustive and I'm sure I've missed a lot of accounts, but it's enough to make my point:
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2018-10-22 00:54:36+00 TheSupremeKye
2020-10-23 17:34:12+00 PleaseLucky
2020-11-25 23:02:29+00 FuckGlasscock
2020-12-01 17:49:03+00 snapcode
2020-12-08 19:01:24+00 Obese
2020-12-09 17:02:26+00 Thagamegivesback
2021-02-04 19:36:58+00 Hankisayounglegend
2021-02-04 20:19:47+00 ImAtWork
2021-02-04 20:55:17+00 Godsesh
2021-02-06 01:19:41+00 imupnext
2021-02-06 07:49:57+00 InLoveWithTheDevil
2021-02-06 09:31:49+00 Ineedxmascash
2021-02-06 14:29:04+00 dodamage
2021-02-06 18:39:57+00 1ktothemoon
2021-02-09 16:12:54+00 wincondition
2021-02-09 17:24:07+00 Mygirlneedsthis
2021-02-13 16:27:23+00 OffWhiteShoes
2021-02-13 16:52:28+00 Danielisacunt
2021-02-13 23:20:51+00 FuckSamFuckTaylor
2021-02-15 07:13:26+00 Ineeddough
2021-02-22 17:53:12+00 flytoajuan
2021-02-22 22:37:22+00 700Bits
2021-03-01 02:49:12+00 haventgambledinyears
2021-03-03 06:48:05+00 Ineedcoinz
2021-03-05 01:37:35+00 Flytoamilli
2021-03-08 03:13:25+00 Forgaby
2021-03-31 04:39:37+00 Tan_11
2021-03-31 04:40:19+00 FuckItDoit
2021-04-01 01:42:03+00 actuallydepressed
2021-04-02 01:50:55+00 Cantdealwiththishurt
2021-04-03 01:12:21+00 whyyoucryingmama
2021-04-03 01:13:46+00 Newgraphs
2021-04-04 06:14:53+00 4321istheway
2021-04-04 16:39:20+00 5for5
2021-04-07 01:08:40+00 thelastsesh
2021-04-13 21:43:16+00 Oncemoreforgaby
2021-04-15 03:26:56+00 beforeisleep
2021-04-20 03:40:41+00 JonsDownBad
2021-04-21 02:53:48+00 highvaluechad
2021-04-22 05:20:20+00 Downbadd
2021-04-23 16:59:26+00 Greedycunt
2021-04-25 21:22:41+00 Formyson
2021-04-30 05:02:45+00 Lassaksmoney
2021-05-02 03:17:55+00 Paracata
2021-05-06 00:46:09+00 Tan-1107
2021-05-08 22:08:22+00 Ineedtoflip
2021-05-15 16:55:28+00 iworkatacarwash
2021-05-16 23:46:50+00 Irubbedthebuddha
2021-05-27 03:28:58+00 paybacklollaticket
2021-05-29 00:25:48+00 pleasepayme
2021-05-29 13:29:58+00 Thecopdidntstopme
2021-05-29 15:18:35+00 danielhacks
2021-06-02 22:35:56+00 AMC-APE
2021-06-04 15:56:27+00 formyuncle
2021-06-08 22:58:07+00 freesesh
2021-06-10 17:40:05+00 fiending
2021-06-14 21:46:29+00 Kyegotusasesh
2021-06-19 05:51:26+00 cargonnablow
2021-07-02 10:40:35+00 biggerdick
2021-07-02 16:53:43+00 4thOfJuly
2021-07-04 11:15:51+00 Jonispussy
2021-07-04 14:15:47+00 horri
2021-07-04 14:25:03+00 ThanksForMuting
2021-07-05 17:42:35+00 pleasedanielmanplz
2021-07-05 17:44:35+00 nyanpussy
2021-07-08 20:26:27+00 Fuckingpussy
2021-07-08 20:54:25+00 retardedpussy1
2021-07-08 21:12:37+00 FuckDaniel1010
2021-07-17 21:15:37+00 Downbaddd
2021-07-23 20:40:20+00 EasyMoneySniperr
2021-07-26 18:07:30+00 farzo
2021-08-07 16:34:55+00 Another40
2021-08-07 16:35:23+00 Forourancestors
2021-08-07 17:05:53+00 Danielabitch
2021-08-08 00:24:18+00 Arielthegoat
2021-08-10 02:50:05+00 Kriegler
2021-08-10 04:20:03+00 Shlabbamahnob
2021-08-10 16:33:47+00 Ineedsomebarts
2021-08-10 16:54:30+00 Needablessingor2
2021-08-10 22:06:48+00 Alexisadouche
2021-08-14 03:31:18+00 Whorefat
2021-08-15 15:52:09+00 Crazy222iloveyou
2021-08-17 05:36:49+00 Lollapalooza
2021-08-20 10:33:02+00 CumShit
2021-08-25 15:20:08+00 Alexdagoat
2021-08-26 14:39:22+00 Plz1moretime
2021-08-27 06:25:53+00 Alexthegoat
2021-08-28 04:02:51+00 Arielmahboi
2021-08-30 20:02:19+00 Bro000
2021-08-30 20:06:38+00 Brody000
2021-09-03 21:40:03+00 Uh000
2021-09-04 14:35:18+00 IsKaylaForMe
2021-09-07 03:44:51+00 gabygonerubdabuddha
2021-10-06 07:02:15+00 SquidW
2021-11-16 21:52:21+00 JustABadHairday-_-
2021-11-17 16:06:25+00 JustAbadHairDay0
2021-11-17 16:13:52+00 JustABadHairDay-
2021-11-19 12:21:38+00 SP0nbGeB0b
2022-01-03 16:29:57+00 Monopolyy
2022-02-06 08:39:00+00 Itismybirthday
2022-02-06 08:54:13+00 Itsmybrithday
2022-02-20 18:16:36+00 232allin
2022-02-23 06:48:23+00 4kbitsenuff
2022-02-23 06:48:56+00 Spidernigger
2022-02-25 21:19:48+00 Pressingcharges
you’re judging everything based off a loan that was years ago. If you want to say I broke the rule by loaning. There’s so many people would’ve been had their accounts frozen. People talk about loans all the time I can send proof of that too but they’ve never been through what I did secondly I never spammed in public or private chat. I think you should read everything carefully. There’s no safety concerns over my own deposited money that’s fraud holding it. There’s no special policy that should be for one person that’s like signaling one
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
Again, no. I am judging everything based on a fact that you violate their chat room rules and ToS by begging for money. If you read carefully, I didn't include the case of defaulted loan --removed from the topic as stated by the last sentence of my previous post-- and earlier I said that your case is a two different situations, whereas I judged everything on situation number 1 --the banning and withdrawal restriction-- based on their rules that you've agreed to.
Not spamming the chat, ok, I stand corrected, I've striked the section from my sentence. But it doesn't change the fact that you still violate their rules.
Here, I dived deeped into their site just to get a better view of the bottom of this case, and present you their chat rules, archived here but unfortunately I was the first who archive it, so any changes prior to this date is unknown. I am somewhat sure the dev didn't change it recently, though.
You violated rule number 1, asking for money, and number 3, mute-evasion.
https://i.ibb.co/GQm84ZT/Chat-rules.jpg
This should clear the case number 1, why you and hundreds of your alt accounts kept being banned, while others don't: they didn't make hundreds of new accounts.
As for case number 2, the fund freezing, wasn't two of your accounts "PrtScr" and "CapsLock_" already unlocked by the dev? Proof: here, as the latest reply on February 6th after on the 5th, you burst emailing him about deposit while being banned? Were you saying that the unlocked accounts are not the one you currently use to deposit and/or held any balance?
If that is the case, then I would have to agree with what actmyname said that the fund should be returned at the fullest and then you should be agreed to leave for good due to the violation of multiple mute-evasion
you’re judging everything based off a loan that was years ago. If you want to say I broke the rule by loaning. There’s so many people would’ve been had their accounts frozen. People talk about loans all the time I can send proof of that too but they’ve never been through what I did secondly I never spammed in public or private chat. I think you should read everything carefully. There’s no safety concerns over my own deposited money that’s fraud holding it. There’s no special policy that should be for one person that’s like signaling one
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
Again, no. I am judging everything based on a fact that you violate their chat room rules and ToS by begging for money. If you read carefully, I didn't include the case of defaulted loan --removed from the topic as stated by the last sentence of my previous post-- and earlier I said that your case is a two different situations, whereas I judged everything on situation number 1 --the banning and withdrawal restriction-- based on their rules that you've agreed to.
Not spamming the chat, ok, I stand corrected, I've striked the section from my sentence. But it doesn't change the fact that you still violate their rules.
Here, I dived deeped into their site just to get a better view of the bottom of this case, and present you their chat rules, archived here but unfortunately I was the first who archive it, so any changes prior to this date is unknown. I am somewhat sure the dev didn't change it recently, though.
You violated rule number 1, asking for money, and number 3, mute-evasion.
This should clear the case number 1, why you and hundreds of your alt accounts kept being banned, while others don't: they didn't make hundreds of new accounts.
As for case number 2, the fund freezing, wasn't two of your accounts "PrtScr" and "CapsLock_" already unlocked by the dev? Proof: here, as the latest reply on February 6th after on the 5th, you burst emailing him about deposit while being banned? Were you saying that the unlocked accounts are not the one you currently use to deposit and/or held any balance?
If that is the case, then I would have to agree with what actmyname said that the fund should be returned at the fullest and then you should be agreed to leave for good due to the violation of multiple mute-evasion
there’s other emails and parts of him and me going back and forth with everything I’ve explained.
Also that’s me right there explaining the unfairness that you have no knowledge something is disabled and you can still deposited funds and won’t be refunded.
I have looked at your other screenshots and none are relevant to the point I had quoted.Also that’s me right there explaining the unfairness that you have no knowledge something is disabled and you can still deposited funds and won’t be refunded.
One email chain is in Sep 2021, the other continues in Jan 2022 about a 14-day wait, and then ends with something about "you should know why you were muted on dozens of accounts". And then there's the one I quoted with only your replies: what am I missing here?
I don't even know whether your funds were frozen for the reason you specified.
Terms number 4 specifies that the site owner has every right to temporarily halt withdrawals if he deemed it necessary for the funds' safety or for other important reason. The important reason being used as the base here, which they'll be justifiedly took, is the violation of chat rules --no begging for money-- and a disruptive behavior --spamming the chat room-- multiple times.
I would call it a bit of a stretch to enforce balance freezes that were intended for "funds' safety" to be used to prevent spam. One could make an argument based on the implemented system (i.e. funds can be used to create alts and create more spam) but that would be a flaw of the design to fix and not another level of complexity to add.If there is anything that has not been provided, now would be a good time to do so. Fragments of emails are insufficient to draw meaningful conclusions.
Whatever the case is, if funds have been returned then the scam accusation is nil - it comes down to a matter of chat restrictions and those have arbitrary enforcements with random discretion. Otherwise, any deposited amount should be returned to the player who will remain muted. That's all.
there’s other emails and parts of him and me going back and forth with everything I’ve explained.
Also that’s me right there explaining the unfairness that you have no knowledge something is disabled and you can still deposited funds and won’t be refunded.
I have looked at your other screenshots and none are relevant to the point I had quoted.Also that’s me right there explaining the unfairness that you have no knowledge something is disabled and you can still deposited funds and won’t be refunded.
One email chain is in Sep 2021, the other continues in Jan 2022 about a 14-day wait, and then ends with something about "you should know why you were muted on dozens of accounts". And then there's the one I quoted with only your replies: what am I missing here?
I don't even know whether your funds were frozen for the reason you specified.
Terms number 4 specifies that the site owner has every right to temporarily halt withdrawals if he deemed it necessary for the funds' safety or for other important reason. The important reason being used as the base here, which they'll be justifiedly took, is the violation of chat rules --no begging for money-- and a disruptive behavior --spamming the chat room-- multiple times.
I would call it a bit of a stretch to enforce balance freezes that were intended for "funds' safety" to be used to prevent spam. One could make an argument based on the implemented system (i.e. funds can be used to create alts and create more spam) but that would be a flaw of the design to fix and not another level of complexity to add.If there is anything that has not been provided, now would be a good time to do so. Fragments of emails are insufficient to draw meaningful conclusions.
Whatever the case is, if funds have been returned then the scam accusation is nil - it comes down to a matter of chat restrictions and those have arbitrary enforcements with random discretion. Otherwise, any deposited amount should be returned to the player who will remain muted. That's all.
The way I see it, there are three different cases of two different situation here.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
the loan is what caused me to be muted but I’m not worried about the loan. I’m pointing out how my funds are frozen and won’t refund me that’s all. The situation with Luke is almost a year and ever since then I’ve been muted by just playing the game literally. Now he’s took it personally and just ignoring me asking for a refund. Also when anyone speak up on how unfair I’m being treated they get muted too. He doesn’t want me speaking up. He can just just refund me and tell me never come back and I’d be happy ! 1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
No, what caused you to be muted is not the loan, it's your persistence to spam their chatroom begging for money --to be paid back, true, but we've established that it's a tomato-tomahto-- which violate their ToS, as evidenced by your own proof, archived here in case we needed them for some reason.
As for the refund --well, actually... I read them for the whole case-- I decided to dedicate my time to read their ToS page, archived here by someone from one and a half years ago so we can conveniently ruled out the idea --suppose there's this wild idea popping out from nowhere-- that he recently modified their ToS specifically for you.
You might want to read what you've actually agreed to, multiple times:
https://i.ibb.co/xjMPh4t/DnW.jpg
Terms number 4 specifies that the site owner has every right to temporarily halt withdrawals if he deemed it necessary for the funds' safety or for other important reason. The important reason being used as the base here, which they'll be justifiedly took, is the violation of chat rules --no begging for money-- and a disruptive behavior --spamming the chat room-- multiple times.
https://i.ibb.co/M1fP5V4/Chat.jpg
You also inadvertently violated point number 3 --although they only discourages it and not prohibits it-- by dealing with other players.
I've PMed devans to give his side of the story and to see if he has a special policy and decision for you. Let's hope he would come here to give us another side of the coin. But, the way I see it, removing the case number 3 --the defaulted loan-- as you've said it didn't worries you, they took a rightful action that you've agreed to.
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
The way I see it, there are three different cases of two different situation here.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
the loan is what caused me to be muted but I’m not worried about the loan. I’m pointing out how my funds are frozen and won’t refund me that’s all. The situation with Luke is almost a year and ever since then I’ve been muted by just playing the game literally. Now he’s took it personally and just ignoring me asking for a refund. Also when anyone speak up on how unfair I’m being treated they get muted too. He doesn’t want me speaking up. He can just just refund me and tell me never come back and I’d be happy ! 1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
No, what caused you to be muted is not the loan, it's your persistence to spam their chatroom begging for money --to be paid back, true, but we've established that it's a tomato-tomahto-- which violate their ToS, as evidenced by your own proof, archived here in case we needed them for some reason.
As for the refund --well, actually... I read them for the whole case-- I decided to dedicate my time to read their ToS page, archived here by someone from one and a half years ago so we can conveniently ruled out the idea --suppose there's this wild idea popping out from nowhere-- that he recently modified their ToS specifically for you.
You might want to read what you've actually agreed to, multiple times:
https://i.ibb.co/xjMPh4t/DnW.jpg
Terms number 4 specifies that the site owner has every right to temporarily halt withdrawals if he deemed it necessary for the funds' safety or for other important reason. The important reason being used as the base here, which they'll be justifiedly took, is the violation of chat rules --no begging for money-- and a disruptive behavior --spamming the chat room-- multiple times.
https://i.ibb.co/M1fP5V4/Chat.jpg
You also inadvertently violated point number 3 --although they only discourages it and not prohibits it-- by dealing with other players.
I've PMed devans to give his side of the story and to see if he has a special policy and decision for you. Let's hope he would come here to give us another side of the coin. But, the way I see it, removing the case number 3 --the defaulted loan-- as you've said it didn't worries you, they took a rightful action that you've agreed to.
person while everyone else can do it. That’s wrong. You can’t pick and choose who the rules applies to and that rule you stated has to do with funds that is probably not confirmed. I’m the only one that ever went through this ever. And all I want is a refund so I can stop going to the site. Noting states I can wait 3 months in his policies either so why does he want me to wait 3 months for my money when his site doesn’t say it. Just refund me
The way I see it, there are three different cases of two different situation here.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
the loan is what caused me to be muted but I’m not worried about the loan. I’m pointing out how my funds are frozen and won’t refund me that’s all. The situation with Luke is almost a year and ever since then I’ve been muted by just playing the game literally. Now he’s took it personally and just ignoring me asking for a refund. Also when anyone speak up on how unfair I’m being treated they get muted too. He doesn’t want me speaking up. He can just just refund me and tell me never come back and I’d be happy ! 1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
No, what caused you to be muted is not the loan, it's your persistence to
As for the refund --well, actually... I read them for the whole case-- I decided to dedicate my time to read their ToS page, archived here by someone from one and a half years ago so we can conveniently ruled out the idea --suppose there's this wild idea popping out from nowhere-- that he recently modified their ToS specifically for you.
You might want to read what you've actually agreed to, multiple times:
Terms number 4 specifies that the site owner has every right to temporarily halt withdrawals if he deemed it necessary for the funds' safety or for other important reason. The important reason being used as the base here, which they'll be justifiedly took, is the violation of chat rules --no begging for money--
You also inadvertently violated point number 3 --although they only discourages it and not prohibits it-- by dealing with other players.
I've PMed devans to give his side of the story and to see if he has a special policy and decision for you. Let's hope he would come here to give us another side of the coin. But, the way I see it, removing the case number 3 --the defaulted loan-- as you've said it didn't worries you, they took a rightful action that you've agreed to.
Edit: recanting statements via strikethrough and adding a sentence based on latest evidence, marked in italic.
The way I see it, there are three different cases of two different situation here.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
the loan is what caused me to be muted but I’m not worried about the loan. I’m pointing out how my funds are frozen and won’t refund me that’s all. The situation with Luke is almost a year and ever since then I’ve been muted by just playing the game literally. Now he’s took it personally and just ignoring me asking for a refund. Also when anyone speak up on how unfair I’m being treated they get muted too. He doesn’t want me speaking up. He can just just refund me and tell me never come back and I’d be happy ! 1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
The way I see it, there are three different cases of two different situation here.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
1. The banning
2. The withdrawal restriction
3. The default of lukemac123
I have to side with them on the decision to mute and ban you under the accusation of spamming and begging for money --and multi accounts that I think people will universally agree that it is uncalled for. Even if you defended that you're not begging for money and instead asking for your loan to be paid, objectively speaking, it's a case of tomato-tomahto.
Both the site owner, the chat room community, and the website themsleves are not facilitating or directly invoved in your loan, the transaction happened between the borrower, lukemac123, and you. Thus, the dispute should be done internally and it is not necessary --more precisely, dreadfully not wanted-- to bring this to the web's chat that specifies the rule of "no begging". For this case, I think you actually do violate their ToS.
For the case of withdrawal restriction, from what I gathered from the pieces of information you gave --which also rather scattered here and there-- they'll agree to unfroze your assets once you agree to stop talking about your banning, or if we re-word them to be a tad bit lengthy but more specific, they'll unfroze when you stop begging for your loaned fund on their chatroom --which ToS has a rule about this-- and got banned for it only to create another account to repeat the process. Again, I think it seems fair.
As a side note, bustabit has their official ann thread and Daniel has an account here. In attempt to hear the story from their side about this whole "they laughing at me" and deposit issue, I'd notify them about this accusation.
Lastly, for the case of unpaid loan by lukemac123, it actually should be a whole separate topic. You have two different --yet simulataneous-- situation here, with bustabit on account freezing, and with lukemac123 for defaulted loan.
Nonetheless, if we have to addres them, just like bustabit, the harsh truth is, there were nothing this forum can do about it, unless if they have an account here and you know their UID. If you can bring enough evidence of the defauted loan, namely the tx receipt of you lending your money to them that's never paid back, the account can be tagged and --if necessary-- flagged.
It is a common knowledge that lending funds to people --let alone those you only met online and barely knew-- poses a risk of default. That is why you need a collateral.
Well, If I think from your side. Then it's unfair that they disabled the account but still, you were able to make a deposit. The fund is stuck now. What was the answer from them about that funds? Is it confiscated? Or they will return you after a certain period?
Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
and you’re right. If it’s disabled they should emailing stating you can’t deposit in it or should be refunded. I was given no warning , no emails. I had to email him first to know my account couldn’t play/withdraw/tip. Everyone saying how unfair it is for me to have my funds frozen so I wanted to bring awareness over here. Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
Well, If I think from your side. Then it's unfair that they disabled the account but still, you were able to make a deposit. The fund is stuck now. What was the answer from them about that funds? Is it confiscated? Or they will return you after a certain period?
Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
to answer about the multiple accounts. Whenever I make a new account I always use the shiba bot to make random rains in chat. But eventually I get muted and it says “for begging “ even when I don’t use the chat or anything. I still get muted and this is the case now. He’s frozen my funds before and wanted me to agree if I discuss my ban again I he’ll lock my account. Basically wanted to silence me. Then begin laughing at me saying how stupid I was to agree. If I didn’t have funds I would’ve never agreed and I stated it’s not in their toss to make such rules for a single person. He wants me to wait 3 months instead of refunding me my deposited funds and again nothing states in their policy they can freeze funds unless the account is deleted. Much less make you wait 3 months Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
Well, If I think from your side. Then it's unfair that they disabled the account but still, you were able to make a deposit. The fund is stuck now. What was the answer from them about that funds? Is it confiscated? Or they will return you after a certain period?
Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
Also, if I think from the Bustabit side, They are partially right. As I understand from the conversation, You have violated the rules countless times so they have the right to ban you. Also, Based on their Statement, You have created dozens of accounts (maybe a hundred). I don't know if that's allowed. if so, Then you can create more accounts. For now, What they did wrong is Frozen your funds. You should not be able to deposit if you are not able to play or withdraw. Let us know what they have said about that fund.
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