Topic: BUYER BEWARE: BITCO MINERS SCAM - page 3. (Read 18918 times)

OMG...........I wish I found this sooner.   I am really disgusted to hear this news.  Enough to make me feel sick.

I am such a fool.......this is the 2nd scam I have gone through dealing with bitcoins and mining equipment.  I bet everything I had on this stuff and lost it all.   Might as well pack up a suitcase and become a homeless bum.  Bitcoins have become a curse to me.......they really have.   I've lost all this money and still don't have a single bitcoin in my wallet.  Makes me wanna cry.

 

Yes groupbitcoin.com

I happen to know it's genuine because I run it !

Hi
Any purchased equipment arrives to the customers ?

Greets everyone.

Wow, I'm glad I decided to check on this company.  I was about to plunk down some serious USD's with them.  I've read all that's been said here & till this very moment they are still emailing me.  I've been pretty upfront with them & their e-mails are at best broken english replies, (as if mine were any better if it wasn't for spell checker magic you'd know).

Here's a bit of my correspondence with Mr. Brian Lewish:


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(1st -email)

To: H. Santi
Sent: 01/21/2014


Hello Sir,

We are manufacturers of this miners.
Bitco Forcer 4TH/s miners comes with embedded Raspberry Pi control module, pre-installed Linus OS and miming software. Of course each unit has independent power supply.
To start mining, you only need a monitor, keyboard, mouse and internet connection via Ethernet. In fact, you need 5 minuted to setup and start mining.
Power consumption of Forcer 4TH/s miner is 2550 Watts.

Our miners can be used for Bitcoin mining only and do not support other cryptocurrencies.

For our wholesale buyers (5+ units) we provide 24/7 tech support.
Other customers can contact our tech specialists via email.

Please pay attention, at this moment we have only 12 of Forcer 4TH/s units available in stock.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining





On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:07 AM, H.Santi <[email protected]> wrote:
Greetings.  I'm interested in one of your Bitco Forcer 4TH/s Miners if indeed you have one in stock.  I have a few questions first, though if you would.

I need to know if this is plug & play upon receiving it besides configuring the pools?  
What else would I need to get this going? Do I need to purchase any additional hardware such as power supplies & how many?  
What is the overall wattage use?  I'm asking because I didn't seem to find this information on the website.
Which miner software is it compatible with?

Does it come with miner software as part of the setup ready to get mining within minutes of receipt?

Does it support Litecoin mining?

Do you have a link as to where the specifications of this model  on a website?

Are you a reseller?

Can I call someone if & when I purchase it & I have problems that require almost immediate attention for support?

Thank you for your time?




Regards,


H. Santi

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(2nd -email)

To: H.Santi
Sent: 01/21/2014
Picture of Bitco Miners Sales
Sir,

Our miners support only Bitcoin mining and will not have possibility to be upgraded for mining of other cryptocurrencies.
Power supply is build-in.
Each unit comes with power switch adapted, so you can use it with 115V or 220V standard.
All important facts about miner provided on the product page (http://www.bitcominers.com/shop/bitco-forcer-4-ths-rack-mount-asic-miner/). If you need additional specifications, please let me know what exactly you need to know.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:24 AM, H.Santi <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for the response. Mr. Lewish.

I am paying attention.
That's ok if you run out of stock. I won't irresponsibly spend my money without asking the proper questions.
Now, I have more questions.
I don't believe all of my questions were answered on my 1st email. Please re-read it.

Is there any possibility of this miner being upgrade-able in the future to support Litecoin or any other coins?

Is the power supply built-in?

Is this power supply provided in the unit using a 115V or 220V? ( I hope not 220V).

Is there a web page listing all the facts about this miner? I can't find one.

Thank you for understanding.

Regards,
H. Santi
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(3rd -email)

To: Bitco Miners Sales
Cc: H. Santi
Sent: 01/22/2014

OK thank you for the information.  I guess clientele, like myself, ready to buy are not serious enough for your company.  
This is a bad business practice to assume that a potential client is not serious just because, I, as a potential customer, am asking valid questions of a business, yours, before I give you my money, especially an unsecured way, via wire bank transfers.  
If my questions are in anyway putting you of your way. Let me know & I'll just stop looking at your company as a serious business like KncMiners.
As you said to me before in an e-mail, pay attention to how I'm writing to you since this is the way you're writing me.  
I don't know if it's a language barrier you have in English in expressing yourself, but this e-mail I'm responding to was in bad taste coming from you.

Again, if it's a language barrier, then my apologies.

PS: If we're to continue to attempt a possible transaction between us please answer the following:

What is your address info in the U.K?  I need to research your company before monies of this magnitude can exchange hands.
I have friends over there that maybe could make a direct purchase from you.  I'm in the U.S. states.  Are you?

Can I pay you via a check or credit card?  I will not do do a bank transfer unless the money can be placed in escrow.

Good day. & thank you for your time.


Regards,
H. Sant.

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So are there any legitimate mining contract companies?

Hi there, I just sent these guys my one and only bitcoin and now realise I've probably been scammed too, I'd love to know what exactly you said to them and how many emails you had to send to get your BTC's returned.


 

It's always better to buy Bitcoin and hold it

You're right it wasn't aimed at me, sorry about that, I just needed to lash out at someone in my childish anger. Someone posted earlier that BitCoin is a world full of speculators, scamsters and idiots, well I guess I know which camp I'm in. Ouch

Sorry. Typically miners don't ship for a long time and most of those are scams too.

The only legitimate company i know is knc and they could flip any time.

Paulvis, I don't think that was aimed at you or in reference to you...that seemed to be a comment on the first post, which was to do with buying machinery. The poster is laughing that a company trying a scam and getting caught out.

Sorry for your loss mate, it hurts worse when you are starting out, even though the amount may be smaller :/

Well I'm glad you think me losing my cyber grubstake is funny but I don't even know what you mean by that "in stock" comment.

I do realise I'm a total newbie in a very wild west world and I should have known better, I guess I'll have to  mark it down as a very expensive lesson.

Oh gee whizz,  I've just gone and spent my one and only BitCoin on this scam today, is there really nothing I can do to get my money back?

Lol you should have known it's a scam when it says in stock

It changes every few minutes, the headers are not true, and are generated off a proxy chain, you will find over 1,000 different ip's if you continue to communicate with them.

Below is one of the first emails I received from [email protected]

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IP Address:  50.198.47.195
Hostname:  50-198-47-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net
IP Address Country:  United States
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IP Address City Location:  Kankakee
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Then a a day or so later I checked the header and did a trace on another one.

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Looks like they are bouncing around to hide their true location.

Oh well, nothing new in bitcoin economy. Still bunch of speculants, scammers and idiots.

Already contacted google, which ultimately owns ebay and paypal if you dig super deep enough through the corporate vale. As far as they were concerned Advertising dollars are advertising dollars. If you made a bogus website offering to sell ferrari's for $1.00 but would only accept bitcoin and never delivered a single one and the will still let you advertise. They said that they would need a court order to take it down before they would.

This is a great post, thanks Terra Hasher.

We've had lots of our customers get scammed by Bitcominers. One guy I spoke to on our live chat said he'd sent them just over 100,000 USD!! How are so many people still finding their site?! Is there no way to contact Google about fraudulent sites ?

I've had private investigator style investors look into me which doesn't feel very nice when you're legit but it's understandable with these kind of scams out there, its just a shame to see and will ultimately harm Bitcoin.

I found the info because it looked too good to be true and did a search.    Always a good idea for everybody!

I don't work due to the Cluster headaches I get, (kinda like a day long migraine packed into 30-120 minutes, then repeat up to 10 times a day. clusterheadaches.com if you are curious)  They have slowed down recently so I'm doing better, but you're right.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't run a group like that, even though I don't have a job.  I could help, but not run it by myself, I couldn't be reliable enough. But I really do need something productive to do, going stir crazy.  I have a hard time even leaving the house because I'm so light sensitive. And I never know when they will ramp back up and wipe me out again.  

I actually first got interested in bitcoin 3 years ago and had a 5970 at the time, but before I figured out how to get started my headaches ramped up and made it impossible to even think, so I didn't actually get started until very recently.    I could have been bitcoin rich too.  Oh, well, that's life.  Nothing I can do about it now but get started.  Maybe bitcoin will go over $10k each and at least make me less poor.  lol.  I don't have enough yet for even that to matter though, so I gotta get cracking.     I ordered a few antminers I found for a not too terrible price, hopefully I can squeeze some cons out of them and then sell them on ebay when I get something better.  Would really love to have a few Thps though.  I made the possible mistake of ordering a butterfly labs 600 Ghps miner, sure hope they don't ship a year late this time...  didn't know about  that at the time.  If you see any deals I'd love to hear about them.  I might be able to scrape up some cash.

That really sucks about the $54k.  Is that from selling bitcoins? or selling mining equipment?  Good luck in court!  I hear Paypal can be real assholes and think your money is theirs.

Thanks again for saving me from a mistake I can't afford!


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Glad you found the info before you got taken. It really is a full time job being president of a big bitcoin group. Luckily, i pretty much quit my day job in october when i went from being bitcoin rich to bitcoin super wealthy. so i have nothing but time to run a group and sell hardware on ebay. Although paypal has just started freezing every ones account that can be linked to bitcoin in any way so be careful if you are buying or selling on ebay or on any other site for that matter. i just had $54,600 froze. but at the same time got a judge to rule that i can sue them in his court.