Topic: Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ? (Read 757 times)

My account farming was 2015. and I announced here that I stopped it so what's wrong ?
You think I hacked something ? Nope its not that, I created multiple accounts and posted with them I invest my time and not hacked anything, hacking is illegal.

And you can make good money from selling them too, hence why there's such a market, and even more so for hacked accounts (which take little time and effort to steal). Posting requires much time and effort too and not everyone is willing to or wants to do that.

I don't know why people even sell their accounts here, cause of the activity on the forum and participating in different kinds of campaigns can bring really good profit sometimes.

These are the guidelines:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858


Most people here disagree with account farming/sales and especially if those accounts end up in the hands of scammers. Maybe you're innocent of selling them and they were in fact hacked but there's probably no way for either party to prove so without a doubt, but what is certain is those accounts were farmed via bots and have now been used to shill scams. 

You wrote about my accounts in Today at 08:52:08 AM I send the PM at Today at 08:16:06 AM
I'm asking for a clear rules that should be voted and not everyone do whatever he think.

You posted it after you created this thread, but granted, not before you were exposed:

Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ?
Today at 04:59:02 AM

Re: Security bounties
Today at 08:16:06 AM
Reply with quote  #53
I have sent Theymos a PM.

But that is still irrelevant to the concern here.



You're the one making the argument that account sales is not against the rules therefore the feedback is unjust. The feedback system is policed by the communiuty not the forum rules. How many times do you need this explaining?

You said that I posted a thread about a bug that allow bots to spam bitcoins because you posted that I owned multiple account, I show you the proof it was before you mention this you mention. This seem to be endless. And you're know comparing it with scamming, why not compare it to hacking and stealing there's no rule saying "Hacking someone account is illegal in this forum !". Is this a joke ? I still don't believe I got a negative trust just because I own multiple accounts. and I'm complaining about that until it get removed or mentioned neutral since its an opinion and not forum rules violation.

Not unless he scams someone, thus the reason for which he is complaining now is obviously. QED.

Stop double posting.


Feedback is left on opinion. It is Lauda's (and others) belief that account farming, account selling and cheating giveaways is immoral. Giving feedback is not just left for violating the rules either; it's left by users for practices the community feels are bad. Again, scamming isn't against the rules but are you going to complain about scammers receiving negative feedback now just because it's not against the rules to scam? No, or course not.

I created this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040) before anyone mentioned I have multiple accounts in the past (which is my right as I think!). I'm with that account farming then doing spamming signatures with them or selling them to scammers is bad. Still no clear reason why I get the feedback, just because someone think that having multiple accounts is bad!

It wasn't contrary to the rules, there are no rules that prohibit users from leaving feedback against account sellers or farmers. I personally don't think the forum should allow accounts to be sold here anymore because it just facilitates scams and other such nefarious activity. If we disallowed account sales and removed signatures from ranks this whole shitshow would be stopped almost completely. And what does PMing theymos have to do with anything? Also, it's right after you've just been exposed for farming. What have you told him? Way's he can stop account farming via the way you did?


Yeah, and so can farming/selling accounts, which is what has happened to the ones you at least farmed, hence why you've got the feedback.

The forum rules have almost nothing to do with the trust system, otherwise we wouldn't be tagging scammers either. If you had spent more time learning about the forum, rather than farming and shitposting from those accounts you would have known this.

That doesn't erase your previous (or current) actions.

Who are you to decide what is and what isn't abuse?

Look the forum is not you and Lauda, just because he see that its illegal, he gave me negative trust, contrary to forum rules, which don't disallow it.
At the time I created this thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040
I sent Theymos a vulnerability that may keep bots away. At least I'm helping in this forum.
I'm not asking anyone to believe that I don't have any account now except this one, and I'm not an account seller. anyone who have a proof he shall gave it, or its better for him
to talk about something that may help this forum.

Trust system abusing, can lead this community to corrupt.

It doesn't matter if it's legal or not, both account farming and abusing giveaways are frowned upon by the community. The trust system is also not moderated, therefore anyone can leave trust for whatever they consider justified. It's quite obvious that you made those accounts to solely abuse the giveaway thread, and was caught.

Now, what did you think was going to happen with this thread? You are a known account farmer, we know that you've abused giveaways. Therefore, I believe you've likely tried to abuse signature campaigns as well. You are also asking a question about selling accounts, when we know that you've farmed accounts in the past, if they have been stolen then why would you be asking this question?

I find it hard to believe that you would be concerned about newbies getting negative trust for selling accounts if you had nothing to do with it.

I really don't buy or believe your concern is limited to lauda just leaving bought/sold accounts negative feedback that have nothing to do with you and you just wanted a quick rule check. I think you are involved in some way hence the concern. Anyway, as I've said above, account sales aren't against the rules but neither is scamming, but many users see it as nefarious activity and they are free to leave feedback as they wish.

Laud Negative trust still don't have a SOLID reason, I'm not involved in accounts trading, and 777coin giveaway not prohibiting people to post in their thread.
I owned multiple accounts and that's legal. I asked for a clarification about account selling and that's legal too.

That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

I described in the thread, That the goal is to know simply: account selling is allowed or not allowed.
I saw Lauda giving users in invites and accounts board negative trust like rain, So I opened this thread. And I mentioned to that we should treat any trust system abusing,
in the first post I wrote. So I think you know now why I created this thread, Just because of the negative trust being sending by Lauda without solid reason.

I don't have any and only admins have access to that info, but it's irrelevant. If you sold the accounts then of course they will be using different IPs. Again, why are you avoiding the question of why you created this thread? You're obviously hiding something. Why are you concerned about the rules and etiquette of feedback on sold/bought accounts.

This forum needs to stop with the "If we can't stop all possible cases of something, let's not try stopping it at all" mentality, thus naturally I agree with you.

This remains a distant dream while theymos sits on several millions.

All of those accounts had same IP as mine, where is your proof that I used proxies ?

I somehow doubt you're the only user on here from whatever country you're in, but I'm sure you used proxies so IPs are irrelevant. And yes, you could have denied them being yours so I'll give you that, but there is proof that they belong to you:



Again, can you answer why you created this thread? Why are you concerned about the issue if it apparently doesn't directly effect you? You may or may not have been directly involved with selling them, but your concern in the op has me suspicious.


I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one per IP even though it can easily be bypassed, but it would stop half of these idiots kids who have 100 accounts on one IP and couldn't even work out how to use a proxy. Personally, I think a better solution would be for signatures to be removed from ranks completely and to have one you have to donate to the forum. This would instantly stop all this nonsense with shitposting account farming and account sales almost 100%. The forum can't continue as it is because it's now just a place for south east Asians just to shitpost or copy and paste using their half a dozen accounts each.

Another slander without proof.
I let everyone talking freely, but don't bullish this thread with lies.

About this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrowing-on-demand-1938190
You set a definition for your self as a trustworthy user that can perform escrow, ridiculous!
My respect to blazed and other members in the thread.

No. I'm waiting for your remaining army of alts to start attacking me soon. I 'member you privately asking for a spot in my campaign.

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Thanks hilariousetc for the reveal, and OP for self-admitting your mischief.

You're bumping this thread with your imaginations and defaming me without proofs

You aren't competent enough to manage a campaign with 10 accounts, let alone one the size of the Waves campaign. Thus, those also indicators of some shady, behind the scene, deals especially given that the campaign literally had every kind of shitposter in it.



Open a dictionary, go to the letter 'L' and find the definition of the word 'likely'. Nice threat, by the way.

I managed waves for months, They sent me bitcoin on my own wallet, same as coinsbank they sent me hundreds of thousands dollars on my bitcoin address during their campaigns,
Never stole their BTC nor I farmed.

Its a slander to say that I famed in waves without a proof watch-out !

Accuses me of trust abuse, and yet you do this. That sweet irony.

Yup, like Waves doesn't have a ton of farmed accounts in there. A lot of those are likely owned by you.

Sent you a negative feedback for giving everyone in this board negative trust because he sell account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=234.0

There's no reason to give me negative trust because, I own a lot of accounts in the past.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/777coin-full-range-of-games-instant-withdraw-free-mbtc-254871 giveaway have no rule that forbid posting in their thread with multi accounts.
Its not like other giveaways

Have a nice day.

Account farming and now lying, because you did use them for abusing a giveaway. Do not PM me again.

For selling various, non bitcointalk, accounts. However, all kinds of account sales belong in that section. It was primarily made because of the sheer amount of threads appearing in the main section.

Legality is debatable.

Absolutely not, and just asking that question is ridiculous. Do not trade accounts.

Abusing a giveaway and farming accounts. I wonder how many of your own accounts were enrolled in the Waves campaign.

Maybe members should be limited to one personal account and one business account.
The discussion board is unusable at the moment because of new accounts posting low value replies in all the tired old threads.

I don't think anyone will create a bulk of emails just for testing I started all accounts on emails that don't exists, and didn't save any information about them.

By the way I don't remember I got asked about the accounts in past, because @hilariousetc saying I stopped the bot because I got asked about them ?

Ips can be spoofed and you know that. It's very easy to create an account on your original IP and then start using Tor or a VPN later down the line. Your right you probably don't own a lot of them anymore because you've sold them.

If they were hacked and you were obviously making money on them why wouldn't you try and recover them?

Administrator can check their IP and compare it with mine, I bet I'm the only one who have bitcointalk.org account in my country.
I could deny that those accounts are mine, because he have no proof I'm their owner, but I didn't because the admin can easily check from which IP their created
with. I'm challenging him to give me any proof that I control those accounts.

That's a bullshit excuse. I remember the bots only stopped when you were questioned about it. Why did the "test" carry on for months until you got caught? Also, can you answer what your motive was to create this thread in the first place? You wouldn't ask if it didn't directly concern you in some way.

It wasn't a test at all you used the accounts to abuse the system and then got caught so you made up the excuse of them being hacked.

You're saying this based on your own imaginations.
I only have my word, and I said I don't control any account except this one.
All those accounts was just a test that I run for nothing more.

Why are you asking about this in the first place then? Just out of pure interest? Obliviously you're either annoyed that someone left you negative on one of your accounts or somebody who has purchased your accounts is complaining about it.

I created those accounts at 2015, this thread describing that farming accounts is legal in 2016

I replied to him, I didn't do anything illegal, I stopped working on them 2015, they all have same password and someone hacked them.

Anyway I don't mine except my current account now.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1597201.0;all

Do you realize how you just contradicted yourself?   

And this is exactly what op has done.


You sure about that. I remember you being caught and reported for farming a load of accounts in the 777 giveaway thread using bots a while back. Looking at them now many look to have negative feedback and have been shilling for crapcoin ICOs:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/twisto-455033 Twisto February 23, 2015, 03:36:01 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitloard-455031 BitLoard February 23, 2015, 03:34:32 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/silverstar-457072 Silverstar February 24, 2015, 12:52:54 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bombding-492173 bombding March 24, 2015, 07:15:30 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/givedusty-492177 givedusty March 24, 2015, 07:20:29 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jimpix-492178 jimpix March 24, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nelifur-492180 NeliFur March 24, 2015, 07:22:39 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/needsmorejpeg-506784 NeedsMoreJPEG  April 16, 2015, 09:00:53 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/holybananas-506785 HolyBananas April 16, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrlucas-454846 MrLucas February 23, 2015, 12:46:29 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/danielth-454844 Daniel_Th February 23, 2015, 12:45:27 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waterpilem-454839 waterpilem February 23, 2015, 12:42:01 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abrahamlinco-454843 AbrahamLinco February 23, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kamale-454852 kamale February 23, 2015, 12:51:53 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/th3program-455600 Th3Program February 23, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/elmedorator-455601 ElmedoRator February 23, 2015, 01:01:56 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/egyking-455604 EgyKing February 23, 2015, 01:02:43 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/seneor-455612 SeNeor  February 23, 2015, 01:16:53 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gladucame-455613 GladuCame February 23, 2015, 01:17:45 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/talkingbad-455614 TalkinGbad February 23, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dontstop-455615 DonTsTop February 23, 2015, 01:20:14 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whynot-455618 WhyNot? February 23, 2015, 01:21:05 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joebriggs-492171 JoeBriggs March 24, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hobbitmud-492172 HobbitMud March 24, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitkonquer-457081 BitKonquer February 24, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/supersnic-457089 SuperSnic February 24, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tankguard-457159 TankGuard February 24, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/darkloard-457164 $Darkloard$ February 24, 2015, 02:17:44 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/topgun-457167 TopGun February 24, 2015, 02:19:24 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nightdream-455038 NightDream February 23, 2015, 03:39:39 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theeboss-455041 TheeBoss February 23, 2015, 03:40:40 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/th3developer-455044 Th3developer February 23, 2015, 03:42:25 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/the3max-455047 The3max February 23, 2015, 03:43:18 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jetpower-455048 Jetpower February 23, 2015, 03:44:35 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iilustor-455049 IIlustor February 23, 2015, 03:45:21 AM

So, are you the scammer or are you just selling accounts to them? And no, it's not against the rules to sell accounts, but this is exactly why it's frowned upon.

I think it's totally justified to leave a negative trust it's been known for the accounts to be sold and then later use that reputation to scam. I think people selling accounts with positive trust are the ones to really look out for though.

I think that accounts that are sold should be locked. Building account rankings should not be a career choice.

The right term would be: discouraged.

Account sales are discouraged since it would lead to spam, degrade quality posts, used to scam, accoubt farming and others that I forgot to mention. That's the reason why they are painted red and not banned.

What you believe or what you agree on is irrelevant.

The fact is, someone who has power to affect your trust rating views account sales as untrustworthy, and acts on it.

I should mention the same thing is true if you participate in a ponzi.

Its not about being legal or illegal, but its a question of morals. Its morally wrong to sell something which can cause huge loss for the community later. Also that section was for other accounts not bitcointalk.org accounts. Majority of accounts sold are just for the purposes of spamming the forum through signature campaigns and the accounts sold with positive trusts are used for scamming people, its that simple. So i think people deserve the negative trust for doing something immoral.

Hello Everyone,

Searching for a clear response is buying or selling bitcointalk account illegal in this forum.

I'm not trading or anything but asking because theymos created this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hacked-invitesaccounts-are-not-allowed-1785577

and there's Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Goods > Digital goods > Invites & Accounts (For selling accounts)

Most of people in that board who tried to sell bitcointalk accounts get negative trust.

I know most part of them are scammers that's right, anyway my question still, Trading bitcointalk account is legal or illegal ?

If so, the ones who gave negative trust to those who try to trade accounts, are abusing trust system ?

I repeat again, this is a question for clearing to every bitcointalk users that trading their accounts is legal or illegal and do not concern mine in anyway!