Topic: BW.com L21 - Litecoin (scrypt) ASIC miner - unofficial speculation thread - page 5. (Read 15143 times)
June 19, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
Would be interested in few units if someone would do group buy.
June 19, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
Well Bitmain just released another batch of L3+ but now the price is around $2000. Still fair for the potential profits that these things will make though. I wish BW would sell less than 100 at a time so there would be some more competition out there.
They must have high hopes for LTC price. Now the preferred way of receiving payment for L3+.
Glad I got my order in last week.
I have high hopes for the future of LTC. Altcoins are making big moves, and LTC is no exception with all of the positive things that are going on with it.
June 19, 2017, 09:44:02 AM
Well Bitmain just released another batch of L3+ but now the price is around $2000. Still fair for the potential profits that these things will make though. I wish BW would sell less than 100 at a time so there would be some more competition out there.
They must have high hopes for LTC price. Now the preferred way of receiving payment for L3+.
Glad I got my order in last week.
June 19, 2017, 09:42:30 AM
Well Bitmain just released another batch of L3+ but now the price is around $2000. Still fair for the potential profits that these things will make though. I wish BW would sell less than 100 at a time so there would be some more competition out there.
Delivery mid-to-late September - and priced in Litecoin, which is a change for them but does make SOME sense.
They had that batch up yesterday, but it was priced originally in $ - unfortunately I didn't pay close attention to how much $, so I dunno if they jacked the price when they changed to the Litecoin pricing or not.
June 19, 2017, 09:07:03 AM
At least it looks like they might actually sell some of these units, as opposed to their Bitcoin mining units that never did end up going on sale to the public.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
They probably will lower the 100 unit bulk rate to something more manageable to move them in China to big data halls. I doubt they have the
chops to compete against bitmain in retail price per unit ...etc
ie bulk 100 sales NOW is still like 2weeks or more before bitmain stuff ships..thus the extra they are charging if they are going out the door now
may be moot to a large buying in china vs getting bitmain stuff on an order now in sept or oct
i probably don't know what I'm talking about...but used to see what I thought was high priced 100 priced lots of btc equip in china more at those prices
back in the day in bulk..but the stuff was usually dumped when the more/bigger/competitive bigger player manufacturer was not shipping for a month or so.
makes a diff in my view if you are a big player putting stuff up NOW vs 2 months later at less price
anyway ..just a guess on their 100 unit price being high..its on hand .thus a big player or more in china at 2-5c elec will grab it up imho
want to be wrong and have someone slap around bitmain on price and delivery....don't see it happening yet thou
Well Bitmain just released another batch of L3+ but now the price is around $2000. Still fair for the potential profits that these things will make though. I wish BW would sell less than 100 at a time so there would be some more competition out there.
June 19, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
Searing highest time to start using your brain 
Stay on topic, please.That's just useless crap talk.
June 19, 2017, 07:58:20 AM
Searing highest time to start using your brain
June 19, 2017, 06:48:06 AM
SEARING: Must quote up above comment? damn it 
are you first time in internet?
are you first time in internet?my oddness is legendary
How it was done BEFORE the internet (yeah I'm that old) June 19, 2017, 04:51:23 AM
SEARING: Must quote up above comment? damn it are you first time in internet?
are you first time in internet? June 19, 2017, 04:31:04 AM
At least it looks like they might actually sell some of these units, as opposed to their Bitcoin mining units that never did end up going on sale to the public.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
They probably will lower the 100 unit bulk rate to something more manageable to move them in China to big data halls. I doubt they have the
chops to compete against bitmain in retail price per unit ...etc
ie bulk 100 sales NOW is still like 2weeks or more before bitmain stuff ships..thus the extra they are charging if they are going out the door now
may be moot to a large buying in china vs getting bitmain stuff on an order now in sept or oct
i probably don't know what I'm talking about...but used to see what I thought was high priced 100 priced lots of btc equip in china more at those prices
back in the day in bulk..but the stuff was usually dumped when the more/bigger/competitive bigger player manufacturer was not shipping for a month or so.
makes a diff in my view if you are a big player putting stuff up NOW vs 2 months later at less price
anyway ..just a guess on their 100 unit price being high..its on hand .thus a big player or more in china at 2-5c elec will grab it up imho
want to be wrong and have someone slap around bitmain on price and delivery....don't see it happening yet thou
June 19, 2017, 04:20:58 AM
At least it looks like they might actually sell some of these units, as opposed to their Bitcoin mining units that never did end up going on sale to the public.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
Specs are inferior to the L3+, but quite close for a 28nm unit vs the L3+ apparently being 14/16nm.
Price though - they better be ready to drop it FAST once Bitmain gets close to shipping their next batch.
Given what I've seen dealers selling the L3+ for right now though, they MIGHT get some sales.
Hopefully it will also pressure Innosilicon to drop their INFLATED pricing on the A4.
June 18, 2017, 10:35:11 PM
I don't see a performance advantage with the L21, it would just come down to availability and maybe some competition for Bitmain. Bitmain has started the game of selling stuff way into the future, well if another company comes along and offers real miners in hand now then maybe some of those "pre-sales" start to dry up.
I welcome the competition. I hope it turns into a horse race so we have choices. So far the 2800 and 100 unit minimum isn't going to do that. They clearly are focused on the "big boys" who are filling data centers.
I welcome the competition. I hope it turns into a horse race so we have choices. So far the 2800 and 100 unit minimum isn't going to do that. They clearly are focused on the "big boys" who are filling data centers.
June 18, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
Would just rather buy some second hand L3+s which are real at this point and have shown to be a good design. $2800 and a min order of 100 is a no go. Sorry but will stick with the L3s i have and ride em out. If these do come out might have some worries about my titans though... 
June 18, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
I think that is still lower than the going rate to buy one on hashnest right now. So that is likely what they are aiming at is the more immediate buying scenario. Not setting up pre-orders for "Christmas 2017" LOL
Ah yeah I wasn't looking at hashnest but the batch of L3+ miners from Bitmain directly that just sold out for $1300 per. Sure they don't ship until late August/September, but so long as the price continues to rise along with the difficulty profits should still look just as attractive by then, especially with Charlie Lee back on LTC full time.
Well that is the double edged sword... We don't know what will happen and if you spend your money today for a miner in September and the bottom falls out or goes flat then what would earn you good money today may not be very good money by then. Oh and there are no refunds at Bitmain, so you pay for it and the deal is finished. So it is risky. So that is why you pay the big bucks if you want a miner soon, and not as big bucks if you are willing to "bet" on the future.
Just as fast as these cryptos have gone up they can and will go down. Also if you wanted in on the Aug/Sept batch that is sold out so there are lots of people placing their bets. Let's just hope it pays off or be prepared to grind it out if the profits vanish and we are back to making $4-5 a day per miner if we are lucky. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
So this is why the LN21 might be interesting. You have to compare apples to apples as far as what and when.
June 18, 2017, 06:36:29 PM
I think that is still lower than the going rate to buy one on hashnest right now. So that is likely what they are aiming at is the more immediate buying scenario. Not setting up pre-orders for "Christmas 2017" LOL
Ah yeah I wasn't looking at hashnest but the batch of L3+ miners from Bitmain directly that just sold out for $1300 per. Sure they don't ship until late August/September, but so long as the price continues to rise along with the difficulty profits should still look just as attractive by then, especially with Charlie Lee back on LTC full time.
June 18, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
I think that is still lower than the going rate to buy one on hashnest right now. So that is likely what they are aiming at is the more immediate buying scenario. Not setting up pre-orders for "Christmas 2017" LOL
June 18, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
I contacted them through Facebook, asking for more information. They responded: "Hello, Here is the information on the LTC miner. The price is $2800 and minimum purchase is 100 units"
$2800 per unit? That's far more expensive than the L3+, and you have to purchase in bulk too.
June 18, 2017, 02:53:17 PM
I am just waiting for the vultures to come along here shortly and offer to setup a group buy for $5600 each... As a "community service" of course...
Sadly I really dislike some of the things I see happen here in our community. It is pretty sad. Not sure there is enough demand here on the forum to swing a 100 unit order.
Sadly I really dislike some of the things I see happen here in our community. It is pretty sad. Not sure there is enough demand here on the forum to swing a 100 unit order.
June 18, 2017, 10:08:44 AM
Ok, so the price is up a little.
I'm not so surprised that they don't do small orders but only big 100+ bulk orders for big customers.
I'm not so surprised that they don't do small orders but only big 100+ bulk orders for big customers.
June 18, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
I contacted them through Facebook, asking for more information. They responded: "Hello, Here is the information on the LTC miner. The price is $2800 and minimum purchase is 100 units"
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