Topic: BYE BYE (Read 4706 times)

This is the point.

It doesn't matter that someone uses paintball for self defense. Government will come after you if you use a baseball bat for self defense. Government will come after you if you use a 2 by 4 for self defense. They will come after you if you use a fork and a dinner plate. They will come after you if you use your fists. The thing that they want is, FOR YOU TO BE DEFENSELESS.

Oh sure. They may go after the person who is assaulting you. But they will come after you too... for defending yourself. They want you defenseless.

For example. Let's say that I have 3 acres of land. And on this land I have 15 military tanks that I own, all of them armed and fueled for war. And ad to this all kinds of arms and ammo, bazookas, grenade launchers with their grenades, rocket launchers and rockets, ack-ack anti-aircraft artillery, and you-name-it, all armed and ready for use.

Let's also say that the land is well protected by razor wire fencing and perimeter security cameras that don't allow anybody in to steal any of it. On top of that, I am the sweetest, most innocent of all people who wouldn't hurt a flea.

If government found out about my stuff, they would be in there in a minute to not only steal it from me, but to charge me with something, as well. And if they couldn't get in, they would come with more and bigger artillery to break through my security.

The point is, the people who we call government, want to keep us defenseless, and if they can't do it, they will USE all their weapons on us to keep us defenseless. So, who are the dangerous people? It's the ones in government who use their weaponry for whatever they want. And more often than not, they use it against those of us who are defenseless.

Government is violent. We need to take their weapons away from them before they hurt us.

Naw, man. You completely wrong.  Look, let's say that my hobby is hitting baseballs.  I don't care what you think, I have my baseball pitching machine set up in my living room.  Day after day, I practice hitting the balls back to the other wall.  Hey, look, it's just a rented house, what do I care. 

Now some bad guy breaks in, and there I am, standing there with my baseball bat.  What you think I'm going to do?  Some mean thing like hit him with my bat?  Hell no!   Some really life threatening thing like bat those balls at his head?  Of course not.  I'm going to run to the other side of the room, and take cover BEHIND THE PITCHING MACHINE.  Now if this bad guy is such a dumb ass that he comes running straight at me to do me some harm, and those balls are coming out of the machine (which I am hanging onto for dear life...OF COURSE I'M NOT AIMING IT, SILLY!)  and those balls are headed BY SHEER CHANCE right at his head, one after the next, well you know WHAT?


It just plain ain't his lucky day, dude.  It ain't his lucky day.

In the uk you would be charged with some sort of assault and firearm charge if you tried using a paintball gun in home defense, The governments got to keep those criminals safe even more so than the victim it seems. literally you would be the one that ended up in jail and criminal would get a victim compensation payout.

its illegal to kill someone, who will only your money with no exposing arms

Go to fishing shop and buy a oil-air gun, it make a hole in head, shot about 25 meter and is 100% legal.

A paintball marker will work to a certain extent but more than likely it is just going to enrage the would be raider more. Rubber balls might work but judging from your posts you live in a country in Europe where the criminal seams to have more rights than the individual

Paintball guns can effectively disable a person just like any other non-lethal weapon as long as you have the right ammo.

Take a look at this video where a guy shoots glass balls and darts against ballistic gel.  For bonus points put breaker balls and pepper spray ones in your hopper, they won't be fighting back any time soon.

I wonder about loading the paintballs with chloroform, or UV dye with glitter like banks put in their dye packs.

One times I was actually scared was when I had to stop my car on a little road to let a bunch of baboons cross somewhere way down in South Africa.  Maybe about a hundred.  And they were all looking at me.  And all those eyes were saying "Don't even move, buddy.  Don't even think about it..."

Or a dog.

Or go buy one of these... I can guarantee this will work 99% of the time... though you'd probably have to clean up shit stains now and again as the bad guys shit themselves prior to or during their escape.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338869

Or if you're feeling really frisky, get a Baboon. Baboons will fuck you up like no other animal when they want to. Unleashing an angry baboon is a terrifying end of the goddamned world scenario for anyone nearby.

Since we don't know your country we really cannot make comparisons. We get that you are very anti-gun, and anti-US. But it does not change the fact a marker even cranked up very high will chances are welt or make cause bleeding, but has very little stopping power.  You do not get to pick if a situation is lethal or not.  The "bad guy" is part of the equation so you would never know if its lethal force or what force will be used.

One example of someone killed is not a case study or even a large pool of data.  I still say pulling a paintball marker will escalate the situation.   No matter what you use.  Most companies have policies of turning money/product over to robbers as you do not want to escalate the situation, and it's not worth dying for.

With "one or 2 shots would do, if you can use cover of darkness to conceal identity."  It makes me question your age.   So you charge at someone at night in cover or darkness to fire with a marker?  Do you actively patrol your yard with your marker?  Fact is get a good flood light, chances of scaring them off with lighting up the area is much greater then your army of one with a marker.

There is something better then a gun or paintball marker.  That would be a alarm system.

I would still consider the paintball marker as a useful accessory during a less lethal situation - to get rid of unwanted gatherings around your house, one or 2 shots would do, if you can use cover of darkness to conceal identity.
I know of a man who got mugged to death by teenagers, just because he left his house unarmed to investigate the source of noise outside his house in the evening. The gang of yobs had no firearm, they were just drunk trouble makers.
Sometimes a warning shot from a distance is much better than face to face confrontation.
Not every country is as GUN CRAZY as the USA, there are places and situations where the marker would be effective.

He would be better off with the paintballs loaded with tear gas, etc.  But I think we have concluded a marker is not proper home defense.  

I understand some countries are very very strict on their gun laws.  I personally love the US as a target shooter.  I was able to order in bulk 5.56 online much cheaper the my local stores and have it delivered to my door.  Local stores just don't compete compared to online bulk when on sale.  It does not get much better then that for target shooting.

Fill the paintballs with skunk juice, set up a remote turret with laser guidance.

P.S. I love eau de skunk.

This is true.  Often in a fight there are moments where things "escalate."

First the street thugs approach, acting friendly.  Then they take up positions around you and start pushing you around.   Then if you respond by whacking them with a stick they all pull out their knives.  Then if you pull out a gun they pull out three guns(if they have them).

They never start out showing what they got.  Here in the USA this changes "robbery" into "armed robbery" with far longer sentences.

Paintball for home defense?

I'm sorry lol.

How do you know if they are armed? If someone pointed a paintball gun at me in a dark room it would be all about killing. I carry a gun every day you will never see it, but if you pointed a gun at me it would be the last thing you see.

Amen. If you don't have a gun then hand over your wallet. None of us owns anything worth a life.

I wish I knew OP's county just so I could see laws that make this seem like a good option.  

I think you are exactly right, it seems like a way that makes a altercation have to happen.  Personally I think you would be better off handing over what they want then using paintball marker, when they might be carrying something much more powerful.  Even a knife if they charge at you would win.  It's been a long time since I played paintball but even with markers turned up they left a welt, maybe bleed is very high but do not have stopping power.

Also with a firearm you get the bonus of a very loud noise depending on gun and caliber or gauge.  Chances are a neighbor would hear you firing and call the police, as really I would choose the proper authorities instead of me getting in a battle.

it is not all about killing, but warding off unwanted presence, if they are not armed with a firearm

Oh my god no. NEVER!! This is a good way to get killed. You point that at somone with a gun and it is going to be a fight to the death. Guess who is gona win?