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Quote from: vampire on September 20, 2012, 06:53:39 AM

Quote from: memvola on September 20, 2012, 06:38:09 AM

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Makes sense. But if you accept that categorization, then you'd agree that King David colonized it before Arabs colonized it before western Zionist Jews colonized it, no? God knows which race lived there before that. Ancient Egyptians didn't have racial labels, so we'll never know. To me, they're the same fucking people living in the same fucking region, which makes it easier to grasp the situation.

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

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Quote from: Littleshop on September 19, 2012, 09:59:17 PM

If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert.

Correct. At this point I don't see any solution to the conflict, except may be force jews to marry arabs. And may be in hundred years they wont distinguish themselves separately.

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Quote from: memvola on September 20, 2012, 06:38:09 AM

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

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Quote from: Severian on September 10, 2012, 09:56:27 PM

Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 09:53:41 PM

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

So the Jewish kids in Nazi Europe, some of them my possible relatives, that made life hard for the Occupying Nazis that were killing their families were also just little terrorists? Or does the morality of self-sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds only work one way?

Yes, it only works when they win.

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Quote from: vampire on September 20, 2012, 06:23:49 AM

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yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Quote from: dotcom on September 10, 2012, 03:48:47 PM

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

It's George Orwells vision, he just got the date wrong

Majority of the world sees it but basically ~~they~~ we don't care.

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Quote from: k3t3r on September 11, 2012, 02:25:23 AM

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

yes Turks are not arabs, but it was the Ottoman Empire (islamic empire / Caliphate) that ruled over palestine

I already pointed that out, jews have as much claim as arabs to live there.

yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

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If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert.

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I have a theory that Hitler actually modelled the Nazis on ~~the Jews~~(edit)Zionism.

Julius Streicher said as much at his trial.

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Yes, I believe I had a part in it insofar as for years I have written that any further mixture of German blood with Jewish blood must be avoided. I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an example to every race, for they created a racial law for themselves—the law of Moses, which says, 'If you come into a foreign land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women.' And that, Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg Laws. These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these laws. When, after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra discovered that notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which, because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished."

—Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945 — 1 October 1946, Volume 12, Secretariat of the Tribunal, Nuremberg, Germany, p. 315.

This isn't all that remarkable as all European royalty had been modeling their bloodlines on the same basis for centuries. Biblical law is merely Stone Age tribal law and the Nazis were little more than a technically advanced culture that was engaging in Neolithic tribal thinking, just as royalty and other practitioners of exclusive breeding do.

The Nazis were unique in their thuggery as they managed to weld that belief to a state apparatus as policy. Zionism does the same. Looking at Israel's citizenship and marriage laws proves the point.

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Quote from: vampire on September 11, 2012, 04:49:55 AM

Quote from: k3t3r on September 11, 2012, 02:25:23 AM

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

yes Turks are not arabs, but it was the Ottoman Empire (islamic empire / Caliphate) that ruled over palestine

I already pointed that out, jews have as much claim as arabs to live there.

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Oh wow that thread went to shit pretty quickly. To be expected ... but still. Roll Eyes

edit: Well done Atlas Grin

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Quote from: vampire on September 11, 2012, 05:09:03 AM

The return is old, but Zionism was founded by not very religious jews. A lot of very religious jews, here in Brooklyn, would disagree what "Promised Land" means. In their minds, the promised land is USA.

The Hasids are complete nutjobs anyway. They're the Jewish Taliban. I used to know a dude that was the son of one of the Rebbe's righthand men. Her was cool, for a Hasid, but he was crazy as shit. Even thought they're not Zionists, they still see Israel as Jewish because Magical Dude in the Sky said so.

Zionism stripped out the religious element but kept the nationalist/colonialist element of religion in their fairy tale. It's the same type of fairy tale that allowed a bunch of Christians to use their religion of peace to slaughter all the locals here in North America.

I gave up on all religious nutbaggery long ago. I'm too old to buy into peoples' nationalist and religious fairy tales. At this point, it all sounds like bullshit to me. Zionism is a deadly ideology that no longer has a place in the civilized world. The sooner your generation stops defending it, the better off everyone will be.

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Quote from: Severian on September 10, 2012, 10:15:40 PM

Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 10:04:52 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The return to Palestine is as old as the Diaspora. Moses Hess, the actual father of Zionism, said in his 1860's book "Rome and Jerusalem: The Last National Question":

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"March forward, Jews of all lands! The ancient fatherland of yours is calling you, and we will be proud to open its gates for you."

This was 30 years before the First Zionist Congress in Basel.

The base for the Zionist claim to Israel is the promise from the Magical Sky Being. Religion has always been a useful tool for manipulating the bottom 49%.

The return is old, but Zionism was founded by not very religious jews. A lot of very religious jews, here in Brooklyn, would disagree what "Promised Land" means. In their minds, the promised land is USA.

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Quote from: k3t3r on September 11, 2012, 02:25:23 AM

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 10, 2012, 10:09:42 PM

Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 10:06:26 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 10, 2012, 10:04:42 PM

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

Bro, the UN instigated the whole thing. Just because the Palestinians didn't bend over when they came doesn't mean they don't want peace. They just want to keep their property.

Hamas says otherwise, their motto is death to Israel. Can't really take these people seriously.

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Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 10:04:52 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The return to Palestine is as old as the Diaspora. Moses Hess, the actual father of Zionism, said in his 1860's book "Rome and Jerusalem: The Last National Question":

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"March forward, Jews of all lands! The ancient fatherland of yours is calling you, and we will be proud to open its gates for you."

This was 30 years before the First Zionist Congress in Basel.

The base for the Zionist claim to Israel is the promise from the Magical Sky Being. Religion has always been a useful tool for manipulating the bottom 49%.

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Quote from: dotcom on September 10, 2012, 10:08:10 PM

Either way i'm done arguing, honestly i'm just too tired to keep this up. I don't like people who always slightly skew the facts in their favor
so every argument becomes an argument of semantics rather than an argument about the core points.

Good, because you're a liar. One time you say that there weren't 12 y/o bombers, now you say it's a rogue faction.

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Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 10:06:26 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 10, 2012, 10:04:42 PM

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

Bro, the UN instigated the whole thing. Just because the Palestinians didn't bend over when they came doesn't mean they don't want peace. They just want to keep their property.

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Quote from: vampire on September 10, 2012, 09:53:41 PM

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

Congratulations, you found one case of true child suicide bombers. Oh and by the way, I did some ACTUAL research
into that. The kids family had nothing to do with it, a rogue faction that broke away from the main Palestinian military
and has been constantly criticized by the Palestinian government for being too violent drove up in a van, gave the
kid the bag and a days earning of pay, and told him to walk up to the Israeli military post.

Even if your version of this was right, Are we to assume that one case can be generalized to describe the actions of an entire people?

One family sends their 12 year old as a suicide bomber, therefore tons of families in Palestine must sell off their children
as early as 12 years old to bomb innocent Israeli's.

James Holmes is an American who killed 12 people and wounded 58, therefore tons of Americans must be mass murdering psychopaths.

Either way i'm done arguing, honestly i'm just too tired to keep this up. I don't like people who always slightly skew the facts in their favor
so every argument becomes an argument of semantics rather than an argument about the core points.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 10, 2012, 10:04:42 PM

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

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